Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
And now they've hit their target: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/linux-voice/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
If you are that paranoid, you might as well not trust Python either since they have backing from Canonical, Google and Microsoft: http://www.python.org/psf/#psf-sponsor-members Of course the Linux Foundation, which governs the Linux kernel that ALL of you use, has its fair share of corporations: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
i am getting subscription as a christmas present. linux format magazine introduced me to trisquel. at least they use the freesoftware term.
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Okay, so you don't trust the EFF because they get money from shady places. But by that standard, don't think you should trust the FSF either, 'cause they get money from Google, Oracle and IBM (http://www.fsf.org/patrons), and I think we all know who these companies are in bed with, so why would you consider the FSF any more trustworthy? I doubt Google is doing it for the free t-shirts. Let's be honest, that Stallman character running around now might just be a lookalike planted and controlled by the establishment. =o
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
I was expecting someone to bring that up, in here, again... (https://trisquel.info/en/forum/ot-mobile-telephony-survey#comment-44935) The Free Software Foundation is financed by big corporations because they, too, use Free Software. And are, therefore - by the logic on which Free Software is developed - morally obliged to contribute something back to the community - or, otherwise, they would be left with a (very) bad public image (which could have a significant effect on their profits). While, organizations like EFF and EPIC are financed by foundations run by people who make it appear as if they are giving their money out of pure altruism, just because of how nice people they are, and worried about our society they are - while, everyone who is well informed about them knows that, they are not nice people, at all, and have hidden agendas, that they don't want the public to know about (http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-true-story-of-the-bilderberg-group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808 + http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=589). And, these are foundations known for, among other things, trying to instigate people to overthrow democratically elected governments, not under the control of Western interests. And, speaking of Stallman... One other stratagem that this same big economic interests have, besides creating fake movements and organizations, in order to mislead people, is to infiltrate and sabotage real and legitimate ones. So... Let me take the opportunity to seriously warn you (all) that: you can be sure that the Free Software Movement has people inside of it, who are waiting for Stallman, and others, to no longer be among us, in order to take their place and start misrepresenting and sabotaging the Free Software Movement, itself (in the same way that some fake Free Software advocating groups and companies, like Ubuntu, are already doing - https://trisquel.info/en/forum/ubuntu-1310-second-step-spy-its-users#comment-41918).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
[Companies like Oracle, Google, etc., are] morally obliged to contribute something back to the [free software] community - or, otherwise, they would be left with a (very) bad public image (which could have a significant effect on their profits). - Fernando. [Square brackets are mine] I don't think enough people think about free software, to hurt those companies' income. I don't think that they feel pressure to contribute to this social cause for the reason that you said.
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I think that the number of people who use, and value, Free Software is enough for it to be a bad idea not to worry about their public image before such people - and, not only those. Since, other people would notice such indecency and might start questioning such corporations' values. Not only that, but, these corporations must always try to create a good impression among the public, with some philanthropic actions and such, in order to try to supplant and counter-balance the bad public image, that they have, that comes from their known misdeeds.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
Linux Voice is planning on having their readers vote on who receives 50% of their profits several times a year. This means that when there is an article on LV about Trisquel, for example, it has a good chance to get some profits from them. The voting system is still under constraction so we don't know how often the readers can vote per year, how many candidates can win and will there be separate categories (like distros, applications, LUGs and small projects which have just started) of which each one or more candidates can win and get the profits. At the moment, FSF, EFF and GIMP seem to be very strong candidates.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
The EFF is a /fake/ organization, mounted by the establishment, in order to control the critiques that are made to the ongoing loss of our (electronic) civil liberties. Take a look at who's funding them: https://www.eff.org/about (Check its Annual Reports.) It's foundations like the former nazi George Soros' Open Society Institute. And, try to look, for example, for information relating to the P*OMIS software (R instead of the *) that is surveilling us all. You will hardly find any information about it... (It's the same story as with another organization, called EPIC...)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
That's interesting. I've come across this idea before. I've heard these organisations and indivduals refered to as gatekeepers.
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Yes, that's one of the terms. Usually, more used for the fake (controlled) alternative media. (https://web.archive.org/web/20110721004258/http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html) One other term, is controlled oposition. And, it's a very much used stratagem, already publicly admitted, a long time ago, by another well-known puppet of this same interests. The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. --- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin I guess this type of organizations, of the sort of EFF and EPIC, are, due to its nature, somewhere in between this two type of refered groups.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
What would Trisquel do with all that money? I would say EFF is best, followed by FSF.
[Trisquel-users] Linux Voice is asking the community where should 50% of their profits go
They are asking for suggestions on their website: http://www.linuxvoice.com/giving-profits-back-where-and-how/ Over the first 12 months of the magazine, we’ll give coverage to communities, projects, charities and events suggested by you, Linux Voice readers. Then, at the end of the year, readers will be able to vote on which groups we support, and where the 50% of our first-year profits go to. FSF and EFF seem to be the most popular choises among the comments right now. If we suggest Trisquel enough times now we might be able to vote for it when the time comes.
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From a marketing perspective, the word 'restrictive' probably isn't going to sway developers to use the GPL. Which is exactly why its opponents use the term. Copyleft would be a better way to describe it. The only additional freedom the permissive licenses give one is the freedom to make proprietary software.
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Sure, the premise sounds simple enough, but really, when you have a long document riddled with lawyer speak, at times with questionable interpretation, I think it's at least a little troublesome. But so far it's seemed to work just fine, so I'm probably just paranoid. =x Restrictive is the right word to use, the GPL is highly restrictive, as is all copyleft me-or-nothing licenses. In v3 it goes even further, trying to prevent the so-called tivoization for instance. Not really sure what else one could call it when contrasting to the permissive, anything-goes BSD or MIT style licenes.
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The issue is that 'restrictive' is such a negative word. For that reason, I think we should avoid using it when referring to the GPL. From a marketing perspective, the word 'restrictive' probably isn't going to sway developers to use the GPL.
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GPL is highly restrictive Indeed but only the context of public safety, like laws which take away your ability to drive on any road you want, in any direction you want, at any speed you want, at any time you want. While those may be restrictions we've decided that society is generally better off with such rules than without them.
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BSD is not free. http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#BSD
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:48:48 +0100 (CET) mikko.viinam...@students.turkuamk.fi wrote: BSD is not free. http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#BSD Even FreeBSD? -- Libere, Pascal Diogo Antunes. L'ennui dans ce monde, c'est que les idiots sont sûrs d'eux et les gens sensés pleins de doutes.- Bertrand Russell.
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Yes, they have firmware blobs like [0] or [1]. When looking for blobs in OpenBSD [2] I found one bad thing that Linux does and OpenBSD doesn't: none of the sourceless blobs are GPL-licensed which would make distributing them a GPL violation. [0] http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/9.1.0/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-i.fw.uu?view=markup [1] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/bce/if_bcefw.h?rev=1.9.2.3.2.1;content-type=text%2Fplain [2] http://b.mtjm.eu/nonfree-firmware-linux-openbsd.html pgpfgOcPUfYQf.pgp Description: PGP signature
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The BSD projects are no less free than most operating system projects that use GNU as the core and Linux as the kernel, so what's your point?
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:21:25 +0100 (CET) onp...@riseup.net wrote: The BSD projects are no less free than most operating system projects that use GNU as the core and Linux as the kernel, so what's your point? I read more and less the story of FreeBSD, and I thought (what I memorized) it was free(=libre). Yes of course in the beginning... No it's just I didn't realize what most of free (libre) project become 'open source' (so sometimes/often with blop non free). I'm naive. :) So, do a libre FreeBSD exists? (like libre-linux) -- Libere, Pascal Diogo Antunes. Plus faible sera l'opposition, plus étroit sera le despotisme.- Orwell, 1984.
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I used to be a fan of such an another magazine when I used to think GNU/Linux was only Linux, I have realised how these magazines try to a hide the social movement beneath the open-source and save money methodology. They don't even try to tell the readers about free software. While in India the free software community was against the unique identification of people, that magazine was writing articles likes Open-source wins, government uses open-source software on the most costly project.
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I agree. I don't know why they will use InDesign (probably with OS X). Scribus is amazing and easy.
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Yes. Free software is better. With focus in GNU and Linux we forgot Mozilla and many others good projects.
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Shan't speak for the other *BSD's, but at least in OpenBSD everything that runs on an actual CPU as opposed to some microcontroller is perfectly free. And suppose if anyone really think there's a practical difference between loading firmware and having it burned on a ROM chip, which most people 'round here at least do, recompiling the kernel without them shouldn't be too big a deal. As for the licenses, hey, least I can actually read and understand the BSD licenses without a friggin' law degree. And permissive always have had a somewhat nicer ring in my ears than restrictive.
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It is true that the actual wording of the GPL is rather difficult to understand (as a matter of fact, I've skimmed through it in the past, but never actually read it properly), but the general premise is simple enough: code licensed under the GPL cannot be used in proprietary software. And permissive always have had a somewhat nicer ring in my ears than restrictive. Perhaps 'restrictive' isn't the right word to use, then. The focus should be on the freedoms guaranteed to end-users, not the restrictions placed on the use of the code.
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Sachin, the magazine that these guys used to write for did a 6 page spread on Trisquel and the free software foundation. It was that article which encouraged me to use Trisquel. More people need to wake up to true free software.
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smiley same here, thanks to them I learnt a great deal about free software. and thanks to a previous news on trisquel 5 I heard of trisquel. also previous magazine donates to fsf and all their tutorial code is gpl. their podcast is creative commons. they have looked into scribus. in the previous magazine they said they where sorry but that due to wordcount and other issues they could not use gnu/linux. their interviews with karen sanders (gnome foundation president) and stallman arer eally good. their tutorials on using free software like gramps and others did help me not only to use them but also to discover it. ok, there are problably some shortfalls. but credit where credit is due. we can always join and request changes as they are still in the beginning.
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plus they use the term 'free software' and not 'open source'. i feel they post it as it is and then readers such as smiley and myself take an informed decision. we chose trisquel others might want mint, but they will be aware they are not running a purely free software.
[Trisquel-users] Linux Voice
The majority of Linux Format staff have walked out and are trying to start their own magazine through funding: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/linux-voice/
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If only they renamed it to GNU/Linux Voice.
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Other that the naming issue, it seems to be better that Linux Format. They say they will give 50% of their profits back to the community and that the community chooses where the money goes. So the community can direct at least some of the money to supporting free software. They also promise to TRY to release their code and other content under CC license after 9 months. If they do that, it's far better that the subscription based access to the content which Linux Format had.
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Produced using non-free software (Adobe InDesign), articles about non-free games (Minecraft), likes Ubuntu, calls self Linux Voice not GNU Voice or GNU/Linux Voice. This has potential, but there are big weaknesses.
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Any community centered around Linux is destined to go astray. Not because of using the name Linux instead of GNU/Linux, but because it only loosely ties the community to what actually matters: free software. Inevitably, not only systems like Ubuntu and Mint, but even systems like SteamOS will get praised, because that's how religious followings of specific programs work. A magazine focused on free software, or even open source, would be much better than a magazine focused on Linux or even GNU/Linux. And it wouldn't gratuitously exclude the BSD projects, to boot.
