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What does this say? I can't understand it. :-)
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I believe those fonts are included in Trisquel.
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I've used Vegur in the past and it is a really nice font.
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Found another one! It's called Aileron, and it looks a lot like the famous Univers. But it has a twist to it; the lowercase L has a tail, distinguishing it from I. I like this font!
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It would be sweet if you guys could make previews of the fonts on that wiki page. All using some standard setup, e.g. the famous phrase The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog (contains all English alphabet) in 12 px size or whatever, I'm no fonts expert. You hash that out.
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Are you sure Aroania is really free? I don't see the source file anywhere on the page. http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
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Fonts are how software would be if decompiling were reliable. Fontforge can open .otf and .ttf files and treat them as source files. Essentially, source code is always shipped with a font. The exception is a few old CJK fonts for Windows, that didn't actually use outlines but only vague directions. But they were proprietary anyways.
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The OFL information is contained in the font's license headers: http://i.imgur.com/o2tuzGH.png?1?6279
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Done.
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Armworm, could you add some of these fonts to this[0] wiki page? [0] https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/list-free-fonts
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I just fixed it.
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That link is broken. Attached is the license, available here[0]. [0] http://xrl.us/PFFL
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I just noticed that that license doesn't explicitly grant permission to modify the fonts. I don't think this was done on purpose; this is a custom-written license by a (presumably) non-lawyer. Maybe you could convince the author to use the OFL.
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Overpass[1] from Red Hat is a substitute for Interstate[2]. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overpass_Fonts [2] http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/interstate/ Download: https://fedorahosted.org/overpass-fonts/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/Overpass-Fonts.tar.gz
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Carlito is a sexy font and I may give it a shot down the road for work documents and web sites. The weight is not as heavy as Lato and the font glyphs seem smaller and tighter. I emailed the Font Squirrel guys to add it to their page and hopefully Google adds it to their web fonts service.
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These fonts were a little harder to find, but I found them on a GitHub repo (https://github.com/axilleas/googlefonts). Here are the direct links and hopefully they are the latest versions too: Caladea Regular https://github.com/axilleas/googlefonts/blob/master/Caladea-Regular.ttf?raw=true Caladea Bold https://github.com/axilleas/googlefonts/blob/master/Caladea-Bold.ttf?raw=true Caladea Italic: https://github.com/axilleas/googlefonts/blob/master/Caladea-Italic.ttf?raw=true Caldea Bold Italic: https://github.com/axilleas/googlefonts/blob/master/Caladea-BoldItalic.ttf?raw=true P.S. These are licensed under Apache 2.0, so they are good to go.
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That's just Droid Serif with a few minor character changes that make the font slightly uglier.
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Yeah, I don't see myself using it but I wanted to put it out there as a new libre font commissioned by Google. I guess they were more concerned with it being compatible with the Microsoft fonts for their ChromeOS users that may get it referenced in Google Docs.
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The website and .zip files do not list a license, but it is SIL 1.1 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fira_Sans just others in this thread were wondering. :-P
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Now we have one free compatible Calibri font, the Carlito: [0] http://gsdview.appspot.com/chromeos-localmirror/distfiles/crosextrafonts-carlito-20130920.tar.gz [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Google_Crosextra_Carlito_fonts I found here: http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2013/10/10/a-thank-you-to-google/
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That looks nothing like Calibri. In fact, it's just Lato with better language support.
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How are fonts installed in Trisquel?
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There is an easy way and a hard way to do it. The hard way is to open a terminal, enter sudo nautilus, enter your password, and copy the files into /usr/share/fonts. The easy way is to install the program Font Manager from add/remove applications, click the gear in the bottom left corner, click Install Fonts, and navigate to the folder where you have the fonts. This has the downside of only installing the fonts for you and not for all users.
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This worked, thank you!
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sudo nautilus It's better to categorically teach people to use gksudo for graphical apps. Sure some gfx apps work with sudo but others will give you nasty permissions issues.
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Please do not link to sites that recommend or promote non-free software. Steve Matteson would definitely be another champion of free typography; he has the next most fonts on GWF after Vernon Adams. Every once and a while, sort the fonts on GWF by number of styles and scroll through them. Google doesn't bring fonts to the top when new styles are added. One of my favourite fonts, Eben Sorkin's Merriweather Sans (specimen) got its italics live and I only found out from the designer's blog.
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From now on, this topic will no longer be about purely substitutes, but new fonts I find in general. And have I got a cool find! It's called Andada, and it's an awesome Spanish slab serif designed by Huerta Tipográfica (makers of font of the decade Alegreya [which is also awesome]). It's currently available only on FontSquirrel, and the site recommends a ton of non-free fonts as well as free ones, so I can't link to it. But you should be able to find it with your favourite search engine and then search the site for Andada. If you're interested in doing these searches yourself, the places I check for free fonts are: Google Web Fonts (note: the Ubuntu typeface is not free software; do not download it FontSquirrel (but always check the license) A site called free.type.org.ua (again, can't link as they recommend lots of non-free fonts as well, but it's there that I found the aforementioned Permian Typefaces that are mentioned nowhere else) Searching the web for [adjective] free fonts 2013 brings up lots of blog collections of free fonts. I used this to find Roboto Slab even before Google had released it! Designer Pablo Impallari's website, located at [his last name].com. I can't link to him as on his front page he recommends a proprietary font manager. He releases his projects as betas and they're often high quality even then. Check out the Encode superfamily he's working on now! I don't recommend that you search sites like DaFont and 1001 Free Fonts. Someone, I can't remember who, said of fonts on those sites Here's a bunch of useless junk you'll like because it's free [gratis]. There are too many display faces and not enough styles/weights. But if you must browse them for serious fonts, use the serif category first; most display fonts are classified under sans-serif.
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Thank you very much for sharing your fonts, Armworm! I also have a font to share which is called Gandhari Unicode. It is an improved version of Nimbus Roman No9 with additional support of diacritical marks, especially for the transliteration of Indic languages.
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I always nab the Croscore fonts (Arimo, Cousine, Tinos, and the newer Noto) from https://code.google.com/p/noto/wiki/FontList which I assume is always up to date by Google.
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This thread looks very interesting. Could you font gurus create a page on the Wiki with a list (and links) to the free/libre fonts mentioned here? That would be a great thing to do. Thanks, -- Stefano
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And if you do, please include samples.
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The wikisend link worked like a charm :) thanks a lot again!
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Bingo! I hope that you will be satisfied with Montserrat.
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Armworm, first of all thank you very much for sharing this information about well made and libre fonts! For those of us who lack the knowledge to sift through everything you can find out there, it's a blessing! I'm having a bit of trouble with the filedropper link with the Croscore versions of the fonts, though, it doesn't seem to be working. Is it necessary to sign up to download it?
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Not a problem. I love fonts and I love to share that love! Anyway, sorry about that Filedropper problem. I'm not sure why it's not working, so I've attached the files in this comment. I really had to compress it to get it under Trisquel's upload limit; if there's any information loss, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
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Oops. For some reason they didn't attach. Here's a link that ought to work: http://wikisend.com/download/171008/Croscore.7z
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I downloaded the Libre Caslon fonts and they seem to be optimized for web body text and headlines. I haven't personally tested this for print, but is Libre Caslon suitable for a book or magazine or will there be issues?
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I tried Libre Caslon in print in a letter I set. It was a beautiful letter, so beautiful I almost didn't want to send it. I don't think you'll have any problems.
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Interesting news! Somebody is doing a survey on font licensing for their thesis here. Let's tell him about free software! Here's the text I used: Font licensing is a very simple issue. As fonts are software, all fonts need to be free software, or they are controlling their users. That is unethical. By 'free software', I am not referring to price, but the free software described at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. You must have the freedom to use fonts for any purpose, to modify them, and to copy and redistribute them for any price even with modifications. I currently use the free and open-source GNU/Linux operating system, and use only free and open-source fonts.
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Hi, maybe you can help me here, because I am not sure that I understand why fonts are software. I used to see proprietary fonts more like a patent-encumbered format: I don't want to meddle with mp3, so I use ogg... I don't want to meddle with Times New Roman, so I use FreeSerif. So, if you want to use them you may need to pay a fee to the copyright holder, but that's not exactly the same as software. How is a font controlling a user? What is the difference from a proprietary font and, say, the mp3 format? Can you help me understand better? Thanks.
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maybe you can help me here, because I am not sure that I understand why fonts are software. It's a legal trick: vector fonts are programs for drawing shapes of letters. The shapes cannot be copyrighted in the USA while the programs can. Fonts clearly are works for practical use. Some reasons to share them: being a good neighbor, collaborating with friends on a document to be printed, using them to make a document more legible (there are special fonts for documents with mathematics or that might be photocopied), being able to format a document for your paper format (this usually needs more data than is embedded in the document). Reasons to modify them: supporting special symbols (math papers need many symbols), supporting minority languages (like Charis SIL: it's based on a free font), fixing bugs. pgpM6onHF20iH.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Speaking of fonts, I've been eyeballing both FreeSans and Nimbus Sans L and it has become a little hard to pick a favorite between the two. I know that FreeSans is in active development and both are pretty common on GNU/Linux installs. So from your preferences, which one do you prefer for personal use in your docs and/or web sites?
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Nimbus Sans L. I've only ever used FreeSans once, and I found it was chock-full of tiny errors (for example, the lowercase s has a wider stroke width than the other letters). Nimbus Sans L is much closer to the original Helvetica and looks nicer on-screen.
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For print, I'm really keen on Caslon and Garamond, but there don't seem to be any decent substitutes that are libre. The typeface in the Steve Jobs book was Caslon (Adobe version?) and was VERY readable: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/12/27/walter-isaacson-steve-jobs/ Other books like the Harry Potter series use the Adobe Garamond non-free fonts and look great. EB Garamond is a LONG ways off.
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Au contraire, have I got fonts for you! How about Libre Caslon and Crimson Text? I agree that there is a noticeable lack of old-style serifs in free typography, but these two do very nicely.
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New substitute fonts: Anton and Gabo Drive make good substitutes for Impact. So now free software users can post memes :).
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Done and done, but no one ever seems to pay attention to the issues I've filed. I filed a bug mentioning that the homepage does not pass the validator and no one's said a word on it yet. :(
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On 07/06/13 00:36, ejectm...@me.com wrote: Done and done, but no one ever seems to pay attention to the issues I've filed. I filed a bug mentioning that the homepage does not pass the validator and no one's said a word on it yet. :( Website bugs seem to take longer. We're still on Drupal 6, so maybe it will be done during the upgrade to v7, when the theme is updated. Andrew.
[Trisquel-users] Substitute fonts
Trisquel currently includes a few substitutes for famous typefaces, so I thought I'd contribute a few more: Aroania is a near-clone of Verdana, with a few subtle differences and fantastic language support. The only thing Verdana has that this font doesn't have is italics, but they're not true italics so you'll hardly be missing anything. Like the many interesting fonts on Douros' site, Fonts in [sic] this site are offered free for any use; they may be installed, embedded, opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and redistributed. Have you ever heard of FF Meta? Even if you haven't, I'm almost certain you've seen it, seeing as it's one of the most popular commercial (yes, I do mean simply for sale) typefaces of the past two decades. Here's a sample. However, not only is it commercial, it's proprietary. But for Ben Weiner's thesis project he produced a remarkably similar typeface, Puritan. Calibri has become one of my least-favourite typefaces lately because of its overuse; Microsoft has made it the default font for everything and now it's seen everywhere because of lazy typographers. (Also, it's proprietary.) However, Omnibus Type has created a fantastic alternative to it, Asap, with the nice bonus that all glyphs are exactly the same width in all four styles. This font is under the OFL as well. And now, the part of this post that everyone's going to hate: there is, believe it or not, a libre alternative to Comic Sans. It's even metrically compatible. Why anyone would need this, I don't know, but it's called Comic Relief, and released under the OFL. Please direct all vicious outpourings of rage to designer Jeff Davis and not me. And one last thing: if you need some shorter names, or more language support, for your Liberation Sans/Mono/Serif, then you can get the Google Croscore versions of the fonts (respectively called the much more attractive Arimo, Cousine, and Tinos) by clicking here. I can't remember where I originally found these files (it was something like an OpenSUSE package mirror, but I could be wrong) so this is pretty much an exclusive download. The miracle of free software — what if I weren't able to share these fonts with you? :)
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Don't forget about Arimo for Arial. The font Tinos tries to be a Times New Roman replacement, but doesn't come close. I do like the FreeSerif font as a TNR replacement.
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My bad... didn't see your Arimo reference in the last paragraph. Btw, do you know of a Proximo Nova replacment? Lato tries to come close but it doesn't hit it exactly.
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Some lesser-known free typefaces on the web are the Permian typefaces and Heuristica, a version of Utopia with improved language support. (By lesser-known, I mean I haven't encountered them in all the blog lists of gratis fonts through which I trawl.) To be honest, I think that the fonts currently included with Trisquel could really be expanded and improved. For example, there's a much more up-to-date version of Peter Baker's Junicode available, and there should be more serious fonts. Also, Font Manager should be installed by default, to give users an easy (non-terminal) way to install fonts.
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I think that future versions of Trisquel (or an upcoming respin) should include the Croscore fonts by default since it doesn't include Liberation. Croscore are pretty much the same fonts but more up to date. The Roboto fonts located at http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/fonts-roboto would be a good candidate to backport to 6 or as part of an updated ISO as mentioned above. They are very readable especially for icon text on the desktop and window text. I'd also like to suggest Lato from http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/fonts-lato and Open Sans and Raleway from https://launchpad.net/~elementary-os/+archive/stable I know that many of these can be installed manually, but having in .deb form can't hurt as well!
