Re: [Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-04 Thread ivan . baldinotti
Yep surely it is marketing. I appreciate instead the efforts of the Purism  
company that invests the time of some engineers to address the ME problem.  
Off course all of these actors they do this for their own sake (money), but  
the fact that some engineers work on this topic is a positive thing.


Re: [Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-04 Thread jabjabs
Absolutely. I think they kind of mean well but really they are a VERY long  
way from complete. Purism is a little better but they are in the same boat.  
Lots to be done.


Re: [Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-03 Thread J.B. Nicholson

gnuga...@gmail.com wrote:
System76 are disabling Intel ME and all, I think, models that they sell. 
People with more knowledge than me, could this lead to librebooting these 
systems or is more needed.


Needless to say they are doing this from a security point not a 
FreeSoftware point.


If this is characterized as a step in the right direction, I think that 
this is ultimately a smaller step than is really needed.


A significant step in the right direction is to provide POWER-based 
computers more users can afford. I say POWER-based because:


- as far as I know, POWER CPUs are already up and running in desktop 
computers and doing real jobs in a competitive way to what Intel/AMD chips 
are doing. I'm sure there are other CPUs that can do work like this too, 
and I have nothing against them, but I don't know as much about the details 
of those efforts.


- free software benefits from being more portable. Thus free software 
benefits from identifying and fixing bugs due to being written (without 
cause) to assume endianness, instruction set, and other processor-dependent 
details.


- I believe current POWER-based systems running GNU/Linux can implement a 
cryptographically-signed free BIOS (or something that functions to get the 
system hardware running) where the user holds exclusive access to the keys, 
not some other party. Users are free, of course, to decide to keep another 
party's key(s) in the keyring.


We in the free software community insulate ourselves from the horrors of 
Intel ME and workalikes (hereafter "ME") by diversifying where we can run 
free software. Our best response to Intel/AMD is to reject them utterly and 
reassess what they have to offer if and when they resume developing chips 
we can trust. We are not well served to try technocratic means of working 
around ME by keeping the malware in the system but avoiding it. POWER-based 
computing is a viable means of reaching these ends.


Re: [Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-03 Thread trisqit
It may not have seemed like an important point to Marketing. But the first  
post of the Reddit thread linked above, by their engineer, mentions it by  
name. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-02 Thread ivan . baldinotti
For me it is amazing that in the blog of System76 it is not mentioned at all  
the me_cleaner tool that they will surely use to disable the ME. Simply  
amazing


Re: [Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-02 Thread trisqit

> More

No argument there.

Even so, this alone is enough to put System76 in first place when it comes to  
replacing my laptop in a few months. (Puri.sm is charging several hundred  
dollars more for a comparable IME-disabled machine.)


Here's hoping ZAReason, ThinkPenguin, et. al. follow suit and widen the field  
of choices. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-01 Thread jason

More is needed. Much more.


[Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-01 Thread gnugaz77
System76 are disabling Intel ME and all, I think, models that they sell.  
People with more knowledge than me, could this lead to librebooting these  
systems or is more needed.


Needless to say they are doing this from a security point not a FreeSoftware  
point.


 http://blog.system76.com/post/168050597573/system76-me-firmware-updates-plan