Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[onpon4]

Oh, just some silly people who think that systemd being the default has  
somehow caused Debian to be infected, or something. Don't worry about it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[taiji_tao]

Agreed, if you want to run Debian no real reason for the linux libre kernel,  
unless you want a newer feature of that kernel.  Just do not use the non-free  
and contrib repos.


Cannot recommend Devuan yet, as it is still loosely organized.  

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[moxalt]

Indeed. In 2011's Debian Squeeze, they removed all blobs from the Debian
distribution of the kernel. It is (as far as I can gather) effectively
Linux-libre. If you want to run a free Debian system, only enable the
main repository (this is the default), and you'll be safe.

**I only joined recently- no context, so had to reply to you**

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[moxalt]

PS. What is the point of Devuan? It's ostensibly Debian with sysvinit as
opposed to systemd, but I don't really see the point. Debian comes
packaged with all three init systems (as of 8.1); you can choose which
to activate (admittedly, after install).

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[gnula]

Many thanks, Magic Banana, for your detailed reply :-) Things are clearer to  
me now.


I thought Ubuntu had a way to always tweak Debian packages that didn't make  
things easy for outer developers.


I knew Debian Linux was free yet I thought there was still some difference  
with Linux Libre.


I know of gNewSense but I'd choose Trisquel any time over gNewSense. This  
distro may not be a Nuisance (as the pun goes, according to Stallman) but it  
definitely is annoying, being so so ooold and so very boring. Yet, it may be  
a good choice for old computers.


cheers

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[tomlukeywood]

When I run vrms, I can't find any non free stuff. But is vrms reliable?
it will detect if a debian package installed on your system is free or not  
but it wont detect everything

say if you had a non-free program that was stored in your home directory


As far as freedom is concerned, I was wondering what the difference is  
between Linux Libre and the Linux kernel delivered by Debian by default.

not entirely sure but i know by default
its libre

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[legimet . calc]

Ubuntu does not add freedom issues in Debian's packages. Well, it actually  
does for the kernel packages but Trisquel's kernel is cooked from  
Linux-libre's code (a GNU subproject).


Actually, Trisquel takes Ubuntu's kernel packages and runs the Linux-libre  
deblob scripts on them. So Trisquel's kernel based on both the Ubuntu kernel  
and the Linux-libre project.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[davesamcdxv]

You mean former oldstable.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[greatgnu]

Yes. Debian is by default 100% libre (it has been since Debian 6).
The kernel is deblobbed.

Yes. You can install the jxself's kernel in Debian. In fact I am using  
3.10.80 in Debian 8 stable Xfce and everything works flawlessly. I get all  
the updates.


I have an ati crap and recent kernels have issue with screen resolution with  
ati graphics. So I installed the older kernel from the jxself's repo.


Cheers!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[legimet . calc]

Now oldoldstable.

[Trisquel-users] Trisquel Linux Libre and Debian Linux

[gnula]

I've used Trisquel on and off. I liked Trisquel 4 very much. Not so sure  
about Trisquel 7 though. The LXDE version at least doesn't seem as polished  
as it used to be but I see that I can use Trisquel 6 for a long time yet and  
I'll give it a go.


I've been using Debian Wheezy and enjoyed this distro very much. I installed  
it on several computers for friends.
Now I installed Debian Jessie but I suspect Systemd is still not very mature.  
I hate that both computers running Jessie take ages to shutdown while Wheezy  
shut down in a breeze. After a Systemd update, at least the desktop computer  
shuts down completely without me having to press the button on the case —  
that reminded me of a Pentium II running a release of Puppy some years ago…
Well, image your Windows friends looking at your GNU/Linux computer never  
really shutting down, and even now taking almost a Windows time to shut down.


As far as freedom is concerned, I was wondering what the difference is  
between Linux Libre and the Linux kernel delivered by Debian by default.


You know that Debian is shipped without any nonfree stuff and the original  
sources.list is free from the nonfree-contrib repos.


When I run vrms, I can't find any non free stuff. But is vrms reliable?

Is it possible or reasonable to instal Linux Libre on Debian from jxself's  
repository?


Now I have a question which is no troll at all and which I don't find the  
answer to on my own. So I hope you can enlighten me. Here goes:


I know that Trisquel started as a university project and that it's run by one  
brave guy (hello Rodriguez) and I understand the need for a totally free  
distro, yet aren't there some drawbacks or difficulties to make a distro from  
Ubuntu?
In other words, would Trisquel and Debian devs and users benefit from working  
together to make a totally free Debian? Or a fork if the Debian team can't,  
for some reason or other, shift the nonfree-contrib packages far away from  
its servers and mirrors?


Cheers