Re: [Trisquel-users] CDE -- Common Desktop Environment
I made audio keys work. Added these lines in /home/user/.xbindkeysrc. The keybindings can be obtained isuuing the command xbindkeys -k and hitting the buttons. There's a blankl window that pops up. ## Volume down "amixer sset Master 5%-" m:0x0 + c:122 XF86AudioLowerVolume ## Volume up "amixer sset Master 5%+" m:0x0 + c:123 XF86AudioRaiseVolume https://askubuntu.com/questions/97936/terminal-command-to-set-audio-volume https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/89571/how-to-get-volume-level-from-the-command-line
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Xev prints this when I press KeyRelease event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x181, root 0x99, subw 0x0, time 10692171, (-627,330), root:(562,580), state 0x0, keycode 232 (keysym 0x1008ff03, XF86MonBrightnessDown), same_scre en YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 33, synthetic NO, window 0x181, root 0x99, subw 0x0, time 10795280, (-562,236), root:(627,486), state 0x0, keycode 233 (keysym 0x1008ff02, XF86MonBrightnessUp), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False
Re: [Trisquel-users] CDE -- Common Desktop Environment
loldier grat post! THNXs ;-)
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> I had to adjust my laptop's screen brightness manually as the dedicated keys won't work. If the xev command sees the dedicated keys, it's fairly simple to create a keybinding to change brightness. It might be possible even if not but I haven't had to find out about that. (This probably should go to another thread though.)
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I had to adjust screen brightness manually as the committed keys won't work. To save the setting, I opend /etc/rc.local and added this line: echo 10 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness https://synapse.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/save-brightness-setting-on-reboot-in-debian-squeeze-wheezy/ So far, it seems to work and survive reboots.
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Mounting usb sticks the manual way (as root) makes them read-only. I put this line in /etc/fstab so they mount without restrictions. /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb auto users,noatime,umask=0 0 0 https://superuser.com/questions/175987/how-can-i-automatically-set-write-permissions-on-mounting-a-usb-drive-in-linux Also, I had issues with Spacefm and Caja dealing with removable media. Caja would complain 'could not display computer ///' and 'cannot handle computer locations'. I found that the best so far screen capture app is the Xfce 'xfce4-screenshooter'. I had issues with the Gnome screenshot program (it started misbehaving, 'segment fault'). apt-get install xfce4-screenshooter
Re: [Trisquel-users] CDE -- Common Desktop Environment
Finally I found out how to take screenshots natively on CDE.
There are two programs: 'xwd' for capture and 'xwud' for displaying.
xwd -out myfile.xwd
usage: xwd [-display host:dpy] [-debug] [-help] [{-root|-id |-name }]
[-nobdrs] [-out ] [-xy] [-add value] [-frame]
xwud myfile.xwd
usage: xwud [-in ] [-noclick] [-geometry ] [-display ]
[-new] [-std ] [-raw] [-vis ]
[-help] [-rv] [-plane ] [-fg ] [-bg ]
[-scale]
http://www.ce.utexas.edu/prof/maidment/CE397/webpage/capture/capture.htm
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Xfce 3.8.9 (2001) looked nice and less bloated.
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KDE was an abomination even back then, before Plasma 5!
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#1 is Solaris CDE #2 is Xfce 3.3.2 panel (1999)
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Is this screenshot XFCE?
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I tried to install CDE on Trisquel. No cigar. It would fail at early stages because of a programming library (libjpeg62-turbo-dev). I installed turbo and turbo-dev but again no gain: make World "no rule to make target 'World'. Here is a page with old CDE screenshots. http://xwinman.org/cde.php
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I remember I thought Xpdf was an abomination the first time I tried it in LXDE, but it didn't seem top bad when I tried Fluxbox (I really dislike Fluxbox now, and prefer LXDE and Xfce). Mupdf seems much more sane.
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It installs, launches and opens files that can be browsed. I'd say, yes.
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Does Xpdf function well?
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It mounts CD-ROMs, which is good -- better than the native Dtfile (manual mounting).
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What is SpaceFM like?
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Installing package xfm gives you a set off apps with a file manager to manage common tasks. It's better than the built-in CDE dtfile file manager. Xfm FM is funny -- the scroll bar is on the left side of the window. It doesn't matter, though, since Xfm scrolls fine with the mouse sheel, unlike the native CDE file manager (where you have to scroll on the scroll bar). This is hard core. apt-get install xfm results in failing dependencies, to correct, issue command: apt-get install -f
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Of course they are better. A Retina display is overwhelmingly good to look at. I'm not saying screens shouldn't be sharp. The same way a good soft couch is eaiser to sit at than a hard surface. I just don't need that bling.
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IBM has CDE documentation for AIX. This bit is interesting: Stopping the Common Desktop Environment manually When you manually stop the Login Manager, all X Servers and desktop sessions that the Login Manager started are stopped. Open a terminal emulator window, and log in as root. Obtain the process ID of the Login Manager by typing the following: cat /var/dt/Xpid Stop the Login Manager by typing: kill -term process_id Typing kill -term 508 kills my session and logs me out to the command prompt.
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Gnome ALSA Mixer is a GUI for Alsa sound utils. It's old-school enough to fit in seamelessly with CDE. I installed it from a deb package provided by Ubuntu since it was not available in Debian Jessie.
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Application Manager has a default set of apps and you most likely want to add some more. As root, go to /etc/dt/appconfig/appmanager/C 'C' is default English, if you use another, go to the respective language folder. Make directories for Internet, Games, Accessories, Video_and_Sound or any other folders you like. Copy from /home/user/ all folder Actions you want to see in these respective folders. You must have created launchers called 'Actions' first with the 'Create Action' app. Actions are launchers with icons for Iceweasel, VLC and any other apps you may have installed. You can drag and drop these Actions to your Front Panel menu for easy access.
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I'm trying to read a Debian CD-ROM. The Dtfile file manager won't automatically mount the CD. Well, I did that in the terminal and can now access the CD in the file manager /media/cdrom/. There are various ways to browse. I can use cat command to print the text of a filein the terminal or I can drag and drop the icons to the workspace desktop, then close the file manager. The icons on the desktop are temporary links to the CD. I could just use Caja which mounts and show and opens all necessary viewers at a click of the mouse. But that would not be fun. There used to be a tool for this called Removable Media Manager that's supposed to work seamlessly with the Dtfile file manager. Can't find it in my setuo. I think it's not there.
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I put a screenshot of Solaris CDE in the wallpaper thread. It's kind of misplaced but here's the link. https://trisquel.info/en/forum/old-fashioned-tiled-wallpaper?page=1#comment-96905
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Applications are usually iconized/minimized on the desktop but there's a box that can be toggled on -- Icons Window. This box can be iconized itself and every workplace (1--4) can have a different box with different software running. I like this feature. I think KDE has something similar on the desktop -- a transparent window that can contain launchers and widgets and folders.
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I think if it was as simple as packaging they would've done it. Maybe maintenance is an issue.
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I did it step by step as detailed in the instructions. I didn't try anything else. If you succeed, it would be far easier to do a reinstall.
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This is Dthello, the CDE splash screen. It shows the version of CDE when starting but I could not capture that, only the background.
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That Mofit theme looks authentic. It's good to know it's available. Thanks.
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I don't know what the complications are secifically but this is what they say here. https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/LinuxBuild/ "CDE on Linux is not yet to the point of being simple to package for distribution or a relatively simple to compile from the source archive." Lack of interest or the port is not ready for primetime yet. I really like the look of Motif decorations. If you use a dock with Xfce, it will be functionally very similar. Remove the panel and start app from desktop (workplace) menu with the right click of the mouse. I wonder if the native apps dtterm and dtfile work without the full desktop in Xfce. I guess they need the mwm Motif window manager to work. I attached a file with the standard CDE XPM and XBM backdrops.
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The GTK theme is xfce-stellar, in case you are curious. It has become somewhat more to my liking recently.
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The package xfwm-themes provides two themes similar to what I was looking for. The first is called mofit, clearly a sort of play-on-words. The second is called platinum, and is similar in function. I have vowed to use the GNU tiling wallpaper wherever possible from now on.
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Vneshnyi vid. Внешний вид .
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Vezhniyi Vid!
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I think there should be Motif look-a-like themes for Xfce on Xfce.org.
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I recently tried FVWM. The Window borders are similar to CDE. I like it well enough. Maybe I will stick with that instead.
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For a few tiles more.
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Yes I have that installed. You're right, Gpicview is probably the best match for CDE.
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I said earlier that Gnome apps, some of them, can't be resized. They don't get the Motif decoration but use their own instead. These are somehow dependent on Gnome 3 design decisions. I found that Nate apps work better together with CDE. Caja for File Manager (CDE's native FM is pretty archaic), Eom (Eye of Mate) for images.
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There used to be a version of Debian 6 called CDEbian. Somebody has given a download link here. http://www.securitronlinux.com/bejiitaswrath/a-look-at-the-cde-unix-desktop-running-on-debian/ I don't know if the ISO is original. I doubt it because the guy gives root password as 'Harlemshake!'
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Wouldn't it be cool to have a CDE-based Trisquel!? I wonder how to go about doing such a thing.
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You're right. Thanks. I installed package xsol. 'Command not found'. Then looked for it in /usr/share/games. It doesn't add itself to the path somehow. Here it is.
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No retro x desktop is complete without xsol:
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Here's a video tutorial how to edit and replace launcher icons in CDE's front panel subpanels (menus). https://youtu.be/O8zpHtXL2Jg I changed most of the generic icons that I found and used. CDE only comes with a limited set of pixel art.
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I missed Xclock, so I installed package x11-apps https://packages.debian.org/jessie/x11-apps apt-get install x11-apps As a bonus, the Xeyes now keeps watch. Better than the Clippy who must die. No X desktop is complete without the rolling eyes!
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As time passes, old is new again. Fads come and go but the basic desktop metaphor (which CDE is) remains. All else is icing on the cake. Would love to see somebody making a CDE packaging for a distro so that it could be optional when installing the system.
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So far, yes-- until I get bored. I'll definitely come back to this again if need be now that I know how to do it. CDE is basically like Xfce 3 or Solaris. After all, it's only a skin. Underhood, it's a modern OS (in this case Debian powered GNU/Linux). You have all the software out there plus what you can find for the CDE system (native programs seem to start with a 'dt' every one of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfce#Early_versions
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It's actually kind of appealing, in a retro 90s way, like Game Boy games or astronauts' space snacks. In a 90s way, mind. Are you intending to actually use it every day?
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SMplayer? The interface can be changed.
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those icons... yuck
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I think the desktop decorations are 16 colours VGA. Fonts are crisp. I think a computer interface must look like a computer, not a printed newspaper or brochure. Form follows function. I love the way the menus from the front panel can be detached and dropped on the workplace desktop.
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I noticed some Gnome programs cannot be resized. Like Evince, but it's of decent size and PDFs are legible. I replaced Evince with MuPDF I installed SMplayer. Works just fine.
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I really like the look of it. I love the nice crisp and clear non-smoothed fonts!
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Mplayer in the terminal, or just try VLC?
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I think you could try Trisquel netinstall. I don't see why it should not work the same.
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I installed sound drivers. CDE doesn't seem to have any apps for sound except the beep. My Debian setup was minimal, so I had to add Alsa. Alsamixer GUI works nicely. I made a launcher for it. https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA #apt-get install libasound2 libasound2-doc alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss alsamixergui
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I tried to make an Xsession file. https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Createxsession/ It would hang at boot at a blue screen with an hourglass. https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/SupportedPlatforms/ CDE may or may not compile on these platforms but will not actually work properly due to, among other things, dthello (the blue splash screen) getting hung up.
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Bummer, I thought you got it working in Trisquel! I tried doing it a while back, but just couldn't seem to make it happen. I really enjoy retro desktop enviroments and I wanted something that was more of a retro GNU/Linux desktop rather than just making a Windows 95 clone like I have now. Nice to see it working anyways. -grimlok
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Were you trying to boot from lightdm? Or were you trying startx cde (or whatever it is)? Some old window managers require you to make a special .xinitrc file. This usually works.
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I tried to install it alongside a regular Trisquel setup but failed. I wiped the laptop, installed minimal Debian with X support. The GUI wouldn't boot if I had other window managers. I'll play with it for a while. It's a little bit long in the tooth.
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Would you use it daily, then? I think Firefox looks somewhat out-of-place there. I think Dillo is a better fit for the 90s.
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https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/
