Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
No need to be sorry, i do the same..;-) I presume it has to do that there is actually less people demanding for tecnical help due to the fact that most Trisquel user's have had their T7 system up and running for a while and have solved their issues, so we tend to have general discussions instead.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
Sorry Mangy Dog, my bad. I'll do my best best to follow your suggestion.
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Thanks Magic Banana. I must have been reading some old Debian documentation that has been rendered obsolete by changing technology. More details about these details of partition managements and some relevant history can be found here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/57780/do-i-only-need-one-swap-partition-for-multiple-linux-distros-and-other-questio
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
Distro-hopping will be a fact of life for GNU-Linux users unless and until we have device-specific distros, or Desktop Environments limit themselves to a set of minimum hardware requirements that isn't constantly creeping up. That being the case, it helps to learn how to do partitioning so that you can do test installs without blowing away your production system. Partitioning is as much an art as a science. During most GNU-Linux installs you can create your own preferred partition scheme using manual partitioning. I have a default scheme for all my boxes that looks something like: * 15-20GB production OS partition * xGB production swap partition (where x = 1-2 times the size of the RAM) * extended partition (rest of drive space) with three logical partitions: - 15-20GB test OS partition - x GB test swap partition (I get the impression that using the same swap partition for more than one installed OS causes problems?) - /home partition (rest of the space on the drive) Note: my understanding is that an OS works better from a primary partition, but standard partitioning software can only create 4 primary partitions (the swap partition and the extended partitions count as 1 primary partition each), which is why I've taken to putting the 2 OS testing partitions inside the extended partition. If the OS runs adequately in a logical partition, it should run better installed on the primary OS partition. You can alter the partition scheme at any time using Gparted from a bootable live disk (bootable GNU-Linux on a CD/ DVD/ USB), but it's less of a headache to put a futureproof partition scheme in place right from the start. You can also alter some partitions by installing GParted on an installed GNU-Linux OS, but you can't make any changes to the partition(s) you are running your OS from, or any other partitions that are mounted at the time. Every time you install a new GNU-Linux OS, when you set the target OS partition as "/", you can mount your user files partition as "/home". Just make sure it's *not* set to be formatted, and backup anything you don't want to lose before you start the install, just in case. Finally, if you let them do automatic partitioning, some GNU-Linux distros will create LVM partitions. In theory, these make it easier to resize partitions etc, but GParted doesn't seem to be able to work with them, and I've found them to be a headache. Before using LVM as part of a production system, I suggest setting up some LVM partitions on a spare drive and getting confident with the commands that work with them.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
I've just returned to Trisquel from Slackware because I need a system I can depend on when someone needs me to do something with a computer.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
Slackware? But I suppose for that distro, "convenience" and "features" is different than the convenience and features of most common distros, hah.
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I couldn't easily partition my disk with GNOME Disk Utiity, Parted or Ubiquity, to split my disk into two partitions and install a LUKS/LVM-encrypted Trisquel on the first half. I do have a spare disk in a dead laptop somewhere. I'll just swap my disk to use my experimental system.
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That's more or less what I wound up deciding for now. Belenos fits and is comfy for most of my everyday work. There's also no reason in the world why you can't dual boot or switch out hard drives just for tasks that actually require the latest and the greatest if those aren't "everyday" for you either, but you still need new software to learn new things. GuixSD and Funtoo are on my "next project" bucket list too; hard drives are cheap and so are screwdrivers. Virtualization is even less trouble if that's how you and your hardware roll. When you stop growing, you start dying. There's room in most lives for both "everyday" and "curious about the next thing".
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
>They're impure My Debian is 100&% libre, very pure, so pure it's Colombian.. Only thing I had to do to make it libre was install it.. >main repo only contains libre packages. it's also the only repo by default. >And people in Debian are increasingly saying "Debian Linux" That doesn't make the OS any less free than a bunch of dudes mistakenly calling 'apple' a banana..
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
I'm considering just going back to Trisquel 7. - looks good - does what I need - does what others need - easy to use If it works, don't fix it. Why did I ever leave?! But I also want to play with GuixSD. Maybe I should make another partition. I just hope it'll still be easy to boot my encrypted partitions if I do that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
Debian scares me. They're impure, and their packages don't focus on freedom. They only focus on being 100% open source.
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For an GNU system (or a free system) based on Mageia's urpmi packages system you need Uruk, and based on the Trisquel kernels.
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There is one named Uruk (named after an Iraqi city), based on the Trisquel kernel but urpmi packages system. Have you also heard Devuan, it is a deb system but kernel is nonfree and aging, you would like to append the latest Linux-libre 4.13.8 using freesh.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
>how do I stop distrohopping? u install Debian :P
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
I don't know why Mageia doesn't meet FSF endorsement criteria..?
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
I love the PCLinuxOS slogan: "The distro-hopper stopper." However it's not a fully free distro. Strangely, it's vehemently anti-systemd. I'm unaware of another distro that has a "pragmatic" focus like Linux Mint (putting freedom second place to convenience, features, and hardware compatibility), but which also rejects systemd on principled grounds. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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I hope calher prediction "Trisquel is going to end up like gNewSense: constantly not catching up to the current LTS" is not going to be true, GNU/Trisquel is the best OS I ever used, in my humble personal opinion. I am not a developer so my only way to help the project is to spread the word about GNU/Trisquel and to donate to the project.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
Thanks, but I actually prefer the deb system. My first distro was a debian 2.2 potato :) I recently had a Manjaro and I didnt like too much. You can obtain a Parabola just applying a script to manjaro. So I assume I would not like Parabola as well :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
For the latest free software you instead need Parabola alongside your current Trisquel, Parabola is based on Arch package manager (pacman).
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I installed it on trisquel 8. So far so good :)
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I don't know but I wanted just to make an example on how we could give an hand somehow. Compiling a kernel is not a big deal. Not so much as digging in the C code. I want to try linux libre as well. Thanks for the link
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correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can use jxselfs repo to get a newer kernel on Trisquel? https://jxself.org/linux-libre/
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There is the link to the issues. you could start from there. An example even if related to trisquel 7: https://trisquel.info/en/issues/22926 some users complain about old kernel. Someone could compile and package a new kernel and create a ppa repo. Ps I am not a developer from trisquel and the example is just an hypothesis on how I would look for something to do if I would have time.
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> Substitute Fedora's kernel with Linux-libre and you have a GNU/Linux > distribution that is as free as Debian GNU/Linux Is it not *more* free, since the GNU FSDG comes from Fedora, whereas Debian's guidelines and free software definition are more lax?
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I stop distro-hopping?
I wish I could just help Trisquel, but Trisquel doesn't communicate much, and IDK what's happening in the code because there's no documentation of what's happening and hwat needs to be done.
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SuSE TW (in contrary to SLE from the same SuSE company) also clearly isolates nonfree repo as well as Debian, does appending Freedora also full liberate SuSE TW (with disabling every nonfree repo) like Fedora? For urpmi distro we already have Uruk, a Trisquel derivative, not having a need anymore to liberate ROSA, Mageia, or openMandriva, right? Finally, I need to recommend LibertyBSD removing every nonfree over openBSD, but not yet approved due to BSD licensing clauses?
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You could build your own:)
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Arch also has no stock nonfree repo, but allowing external repo to contain nonfree apps like AUR, and mis-tolerating nonfree drivers and firmware, so nonfree Linux kernels. Fedora honestly has no stock nonfree repo, but allowing external repo to contain nonfree apps like RPMfusion, and mis-tolerating nonfree drivers and firmware, so nonfree Linux kernels. Commenting here means Trisquel wont die upto now, here is also a forums for any GNU systems like Parabola, Uruk, gNewSense, LibertyBSD, Hyperbola. Not yet to try GuixSD which they are yet early beta, but you can use the Guix package manager sources to port for Parabola and Trisquel.
