[TROM1] From the Pilot's writings
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sunday night I started reading Super Scio from the Pilot. I find it very very good reading and intend to post pertinent portions here for TROMmers. Here is one great one on self auditing. The following can be found on page 125. But there is a self auditable technique for running engrams. It consists of alternately spotting something in the incident and something in the room. This can actually let you recover the unconscious period of an operation and bring up the words being spoken and everything. You just need to persist with it long enough. We still have the problem of accessibility. Some cases are just not up to running engrams. But if they are, this trick will work almost as well as the modern Dianetic R3R procedure, with the difference being that it is slower but does not require an auditor or an E-meter. It is almost criminal not to have a technique like this and teach it to people as soon as they are up to running engrams. What if the person should die? This is one of the few ways that they could run out the death experience successfully. Furthermore, this one works for Dianetic clears without the liabilities of running R3R (which can get the NOTs aspects of the case all stirred up if too much of it is done after clear). The technique would be to Spot an incident underlying (condition) and then alternately spot something in the incident and something in the room until something happens. Then spot another incident underlying ... etc. until the condition is handled. In general, you should not ask for an Earlier Similar incident when doing this on a clear because the engram chain mechanism is not fully operative after someone goes clear. A looser question allows for an earlier similar to be run if one is there but doesn't force it. This is actually more of a high powered recall process rather than true Dianetic picture running. Paul/Level 5 in progress___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Leve 4 to enhance @ xriz again
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thank you for posting it here, Paul. I am sure people here are able to use it their TROMming. xriz Am 14.11.2012 10:33, schrieb Paul Tipon: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org This is a back channel post to another TROMmer about OT3. I will be posting more too. On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:00 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: I see your point and understand that well. Can you tell me back channel what the false informations are ? Would be great though if it can be said openly on the list here. I certainly want to get rid of false philosophies i swallowed unwittingly. thanks xriz One has to realize that not everyone suffered from the engram of OT3. Depending on one's participation or non-participation is one factor. Whether or not one was one of those trapped and sent to Earth and is still being a body Thetan or has since moved up the Thetan ladder is another factor. Then there are the ones not trapped at all who only observed or ran the trapping. LRH did nothing to sort out what should be run in accordance with one's involvement. Some were not even near the incident and had no news or any data on it at all. I have some consideration that Level 4 runs out OT3. When you get the cognition of 'Freedom from Overwhelm', you will know what I mean. In the mean time, Level 4 is heavily into overts and motivators. Ego is also on that line. Making others wrong and self right is an ego thang. The justification line that everyone puts out is also an ego thang. One doing a motivator is both an ego thang and a justification thang. And of course a motivator leads to new justified overts. These are all actions that have nothing to do with games but of course get used and put into the playing of games. The biggest factor that keeps any aberration in is avoidance which is a withhold phenomena which is an overt/motivator package product. It is important to handle overts and motivators as it is to handle one's case of engrams. The two do not mix but they sure get heaped onto the pile with each other and mixed and blended up into a really ugly smoothie. This is why I really stress Level 4 and I effort to get others to see how really big a Level it is. It is the biggest. It will provide the most gains. It has the capacity to solve all of one's case, both engramic and withhold wise. There is also the obvious result from Level 4 of handling GPMS. They just kind of disappear because they are largely de-stimulated but not erased completely. As a minimum, the overts and motivators attached to GPMs greatly reduce and if done thoroughly, all can be as-ised. These overts and motivators that are directly connected to GPMs are the major portion of the charge that GPMs have. I believe anything left over can get handled in Level 5 where the unknownness to knownness can handle the silly, moronic packages that are the terminals vs. opterms can get as-ised by truth and knownness. Paul/Level 5 in progress ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Leve 4 to enhance @ xriz again
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Paul, Thanks much. A good orientation. Aarre Peltomaa On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Paul Tipon pti...@proftitleserv.comwrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org This is a back channel post to another TROMmer about OT3. I will be posting more too. On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:00 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: I see your point and understand that well. Can you tell me back channel what the false informations are ? Would be great though if it can be said openly on the list here. I certainly want to get rid of false philosophies i swallowed unwittingly. thanks xriz One has to realize that not everyone suffered from the engram of OT3. Depending on one's participation or non-participation is one factor. Whether or not one was one of those trapped and sent to Earth and is still being a body Thetan or has since moved up the Thetan ladder is another factor. Then there are the ones not trapped at all who only observed or ran the trapping. LRH did nothing to sort out what should be run in accordance with one's involvement. Some were not even near the incident and had no news or any data on it at all. I have some consideration that Level 4 runs out OT3. When you get the cognition of 'Freedom from Overwhelm', you will know what I mean. In the mean time, Level 4 is heavily into overts and motivators. Ego is also on that line. Making others wrong and self right is an ego thang. The justification line that everyone puts out is also an ego thang. One doing a motivator is both an ego thang and a justification thang. And of course a motivator leads to new justified overts. These are all actions that have nothing to do with games but of course get used and put into the playing of games. The biggest factor that keeps any aberration in is avoidance which is a withhold phenomena which is an overt/motivator package product. It is important to handle overts and motivators as it is to handle one's case of engrams. The two do not mix but they sure get heaped onto the pile with each other and mixed and blended up into a really ugly smoothie. This is why I really stress Level 4 and I effort to get others to see how really big a Level it is. It is the biggest. It will provide the most gains. It has the capacity to solve all of one's case, both engramic and withhold wise. There is also the obvious result from Level 4 of handling GPMS. They just kind of disappear because they are largely de-stimulated but not erased completely. As a minimum, the overts and motivators attached to GPMs greatly reduce and if done thoroughly, all can be as-ised. These overts and motivators that are directly connected to GPMs are the major portion of the charge that GPMs have. I believe anything left over can get handled in Level 5 where the unknownness to knownness can handle the silly, moronic packages that are the terminals vs. opterms can get as-ised by truth and knownness. Paul/Level 5 in progress __**_ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/**mailman/listinfo/tromhttp://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Leve 4 to enhance @ xriz again
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org OT 3 is not addressing YOUR involvement in the incident. It is addressing the BTs OT 3 incident. Thus your actual involvement with the incident has no bearing on the matter in running OT 3. Best to just run TROM and not get involved with trying to run entities. Dennis spoke of his beliefs about entities on one of his tapes. I think it was this tape: 02_Dissociation12Jan93.mp3 Brian -Original Message- From: Paul Tipon [mailto:pti...@proftitleserv.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:33 AM To: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: Re: [TROM1] Leve 4 to enhance @ xriz again This is a back channel post to another TROMmer about OT3. I will be posting more too. On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:00 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: I see your point and understand that well. Can you tell me back channel what the false informations are ? Would be great though if it can be said openly on the list here. I certainly want to get rid of false philosophies i swallowed unwittingly. thanks xriz One has to realize that not everyone suffered from the engram of OT3. Depending on one's participation or non-participation is one factor. Whether or not one was one of those trapped and sent to Earth and is still being a body Thetan or has since moved up the Thetan ladder is another factor. Then there are the ones not trapped at all who only observed or ran the trapping. LRH did nothing to sort out what should be run in accordance with one's involvement. Some were not even near the incident and had no news or any data on it at all. I have some consideration that Level 4 runs out OT3. When you get the cognition of 'Freedom from Overwhelm', you will know what I mean. In the mean time, Level 4 is heavily into overts and motivators. Ego is also on that line. Making others wrong and self right is an ego thang. The justification line that everyone puts out is also an ego thang. One doing a motivator is both an ego thang and a justification thang. And of course a motivator leads to new justified overts. These are all actions that have nothing to do with games but of course get used and put into the playing of games. The biggest factor that keeps any aberration in is avoidance which is a withhold phenomena which is an overt/motivator package product. It is important to handle overts and motivators as it is to handle one's case of engrams. The two do not mix but they sure get heaped onto the pile with each other and mixed and blended up into a really ugly smoothie. This is why I really stress Level 4 and I effort to get others to see how really big a Level it is. It is the biggest. It will provide the most gains. It has the capacity to solve all of one's case, both engramic and withhold wise. There is also the obvious result from Level 4 of handling GPMS. They just kind of disappear because they are largely de-stimulated but not erased completely. As a minimum, the overts and motivators attached to GPMs greatly reduce and if done thoroughly, all can be as-ised. These overts and motivators that are directly connected to GPMs are the major portion of the charge that GPMs have. I believe anything left over can get handled in Level 5 where the unknownness to knownness can handle the silly, moronic packages that are the terminals vs. opterms can get as-ised by truth and knownness. Paul/Level 5 in progress ___ Trom mailing list Trom@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Leve 4 to enhance @ Brian
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Brian, On Nov 14, 2012, at 8:21 PM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: OT 3 is not addressing YOUR involvement in the incident. It is addressing the BTs OT 3 incident. Thus your actual involvement with the incident has no bearing on the matter in running OT 3. Best to just run TROM and not get involved with trying to run entities. Dennis spoke of his beliefs about entities on one of his tapes. I think it was this tape: 02_Dissociation12Jan93.mp3 Brian Yes, I have specifically not addressed my involvement in OT3 because it was my involvement, particular to me and would not be the same as someone else. For me to be specific about my involvement would only be extraneous and counter to anyone else finding and knowing their involvement. It could also easily influence someone else's recall of their involvement and of course non-involvement. The Pilot in his Super Scio also does the same but does not give a reason why as I just did here and in my link below. Case is messy enough as it is. It is not doing anyone a favor by adding more into it. It is in fact a dis-favor. To put OT3 in perspective, I have gone past it and have had my own encounters with BTs and have had no ill effect whatsoever. The Pilot mentions that it is not a major incident and that it mostly gets in the way of getting to what should and needs to be addressed. I have also encountered those (a close friend being one) who (many closely) went quite the effect of it while on OT3 and also just breezed right thru. That one person was just about ready to drop the body and almost in fact did. He did get thru it but I have not had interaction with that person since that time. The Pilot also mentions that Ron didn't get it correctly just as I did and I will be posting more from the Pilot soon and adding my comments. Paul/Level 5 in progress -Original Message- From: Paul Tipon [mailto:pti...@proftitleserv.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 4:33 AM To: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: Re: [TROM1] Leve 4 to enhance @ xriz again This is a back channel post to another TROMmer about OT3. I will be posting more too. On Nov 11, 2012, at 4:00 AM, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org wrote: I see your point and understand that well. Can you tell me back channel what the false informations are ? Would be great though if it can be said openly on the list here. I certainly want to get rid of false philosophies i swallowed unwittingly. thanks xriz One has to realize that not everyone suffered from the engram of OT3. Depending on one's participation or non-participation is one factor. Whether or not one was one of those trapped and sent to Earth and is still being a body Thetan or has since moved up the Thetan ladder is another factor. Then there are the ones not trapped at all who only observed or ran the trapping. LRH did nothing to sort out what should be run in accordance with one's involvement. Some were not even near the incident and had no news or any data on it at all. I have some consideration that Level 4 runs out OT3. When you get the cognition of 'Freedom from Overwhelm', you will know what I mean. In the mean time, Level 4 is heavily into overts and motivators. Ego is also on that line. Making others wrong and self right is an ego thang. The justification line that everyone puts out is also an ego thang. One doing a motivator is both an ego thang and a justification thang. And of course a motivator leads to new justified overts. These are all actions that have nothing to do with games but of course get used and put into the playing of games. The biggest factor that keeps any aberration in is avoidance which is a withhold phenomena which is an overt/motivator package product. It is important to handle overts and motivators as it is to handle one's case of engrams. The two do not mix but they sure get heaped onto the pile with each other and mixed and blended up into a really ugly smoothie. This is why I really stress Level 4 and I effort to get others to see how really big a Level it is. It is the biggest. It will provide the most gains. It has the capacity to solve all of one's case, both engramic and withhold wise. There is also the obvious result from Level 4 of handling GPMS. They just kind of disappear because they are largely de-stimulated but not erased completely. As a minimum, the overts and motivators attached to GPMs greatly reduce and if done thoroughly, all can be as-ised. These overts and motivators that are directly connected to GPMs are the major portion of the charge that GPMs have. I believe anything left over can get handled in Level 5 where the unknownness to knownness can handle the silly, moronic packages that are the terminals vs. opterms can get as-ised by truth and knownness. Paul/Level 5 in progress
