Re: [TROM1] The basic law that governs this universe
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Johan, You say, Excellent writeup Martin. In short it appears you are saying one is an AWARENESS, not an awareness unit, EXPERIENCING life and the illusion of a MEST universe or any other universe of your making. I could agree to that. Johan Kind-of! Lol - I think we have to get away from the idea of Nouns - Whatever we are, we are verbing. We are thetaning, or awareing. Our language is in the main metaphorical and possibly many don't attach much importance to this. However when we think of ourselves we tend to do so in terms of mental constructs. We project identities which we protect, protest and defend. We allocate a position in time and mind-space to these identities. Which is why I like TROM! - TROM nulls the command power of the mind which is reinforced by self concepts. Just seeing this has made things easier. Martin Still tromming. -Original Message- From: trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org [mailto:trom-boun...@lists.newciv.org] On Behalf Of Johan Kruger Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 8:59 AM To: The Resolution of Mind list Subject: Re: [TROM1] The basic law that governs this universe * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On 2013/04/24 02:05 PM, Martin Foster wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Slim, I'm only now getting around to commenting on a few posts. Reading between the lines it seems you are having fun? Have you ever considered that attributing our observations, experiences and education to our mock-up of self may be how we become enslaved to the idea of self and that just maybe we are not what we think we are? We may possibly not be the nouns we think we are! Noun's such as Spirit or Thetan. Oh yes we do thetaning or spiriting. Below are some quote's which I found very relevant and applicable. If anyone is interested - just google or ask and I'll refer you: Each moment Life streams through the gates of the senses, fresh and new. That's CONSCIOUS CONTACT. Then the mind hijacks it, says, I am what's in conscious contact. There is simple consciousness of it; --- seeing happens. Then the head says, --I am doing that. WHO is seeing --- the sense of being the one seeing --- becomes more important than SEEING itself. Life is happening; it's a verb. The verb is the reality and the noun is the illusion. You are looking at it from the point of view of being a noun so you're missing it. That's what your head is doing all day: INTERPRETING what is going on and making it into a story about something else. You lose the verbing of life as soon as the noun claims the experience as something that happened to it. You say you want to be awake. But while you are adsorbed in the story of self you will be unconscious to the fact that you are ALREADY AWAKE. Then you may have the curse of thinking you want to BECOME awake. Reinforcing the idea that you are not awake. The head is playing God. And it's already beat you, since now it's got you thinking you're not awake. It's going to play with that for years. There's no escaping WHAT'S SO. You can SENSE living or else you can THINK about it. That's the choice. This is not about acquiring knowledge. It's about waking up to the essence of what we call living. If you identify as SELF, you're going to inhabit the realm of WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING. The future and the past. A thought is just a thought; but it changes dramatically when it becomes MY thought. The interpretation of the thought as being mine is slapped on it. But that's not living, it's reliving - a self-centred system of thought and interpretation always going on. You think you're separate from life and it's HAPPENING TO you. I'm the noun that everything is happening to. But there is no noun in living; it's just verbing. When you're seeing with a noun way of looking you are interpreting life from a false centre. And you don't understand why you're so confused. All the experiences of being a verb become something that the noun HAD. You want the verb-ness of life, but you're missing it. You're saddled with this noun way of looking at things. There is the dilemma: You cannot see you've made yourself into a noun. The noun cannot get the sense of peace because peace is a living movement, not a stagnant thing you acquire or capture. As a noun life becomes interpreted and you become a storage unit for the mind's interpretation of life. You're not experiencing a living moment, you're rehashing an old moment. You live from memory; interpretation is constantly presented to override the living-ness of life. As a noun the best you can do is to assume that you HAD an experience; you cannot be THAT in which the experience occurs. One is a movement; the other is a package deal. You're either moving with
Re: [TROM1] The basic law that governs this universe
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org On 2013/04/24 02:05 PM, Martin Foster wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Slim, I'm only now getting around to commenting on a few posts. Reading between the lines it seems you are having fun? Have you ever considered that attributing our observations, experiences and education to our mock-up of self may be how we become enslaved to the idea of self and that just maybe we are not what we think we are? We may possibly not be the nouns we think we are! Noun's such as Spirit or Thetan. Oh yes we do thetaning or spiriting. Below are some quote's which I found very relevant and applicable. If anyone is interested - just google or ask and I'll refer you: Each moment Life streams through the gates of the senses, fresh and new. That's CONSCIOUS CONTACT. Then the mind hijacks it, says, I am what's in conscious contact. There is simple consciousness of it; --- seeing happens. Then the head says, --I am doing that. WHO is seeing --- the sense of being the one seeing --- becomes more important than SEEING itself. Life is happening; it's a verb. The verb is the reality and the noun is the illusion. You are looking at it from the point of view of being a noun so you're missing it. That's what your head is doing all day: INTERPRETING what is going on and making it into a story about something else. You lose the verbing of life as soon as the noun claims the experience as something that happened to it. You say you want to be awake. But while you are adsorbed in the story of self you will be unconscious to the fact that you are ALREADY AWAKE. Then you may have the curse of thinking you want to BECOME awake. Reinforcing the idea that you are not awake. The head is playing God. And it's already beat you, since now it's got you thinking you're not awake. It's going to play with that for years. There's no escaping WHAT'S SO. You can SENSE living or else you can THINK about it. That's the choice. This is not about acquiring knowledge. It's about waking up to the essence of what we call living. If you identify as SELF, you're going to inhabit the realm of WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING. The future and the past. A thought is just a thought; but it changes dramatically when it becomes MY thought. The interpretation of the thought as being mine is slapped on it. But that's not living, it's reliving - a self-centred system of thought and interpretation always going on. You think you're separate from life and it's HAPPENING TO you. I'm the noun that everything is happening to. But there is no noun in living; it's just verbing. When you're seeing with a noun way of looking you are interpreting life from a false centre. And you don't understand why you're so confused. All the experiences of being a verb become something that the noun HAD. You want the verb-ness of life, but you're missing it. You're saddled with this noun way of looking at things. There is the dilemma: You cannot see you've made yourself into a noun. The noun cannot get the sense of peace because peace is a living movement, not a stagnant thing you acquire or capture. As a noun life becomes interpreted and you become a storage unit for the mind's interpretation of life. You're not experiencing a living moment, you're rehashing an old moment. You live from memory; interpretation is constantly presented to override the living-ness of life. As a noun the best you can do is to assume that you HAD an experience; you cannot be THAT in which the experience occurs. One is a movement; the other is a package deal. You're either moving with things or you are packaging them up, I know this and that; I've had this and that experience. Taking the verb and transforming it into something you possess. The mind's interpretation is, All right, I'm going to stick myself in front of that verb. Stick myself in as a noun and edit life, under the assumption that I am the doer of this verb. I am seeing, I am touching, I am feeling, I am hearing, and I am especially thinking about it all. The doer and the haver and the interpreter. Exhausting! Trying to have control over it all. Grasping at some assurance it's going to be okay down the river. Building dams and reservoirs. What fuels the selfing is your attention to the thoughts, your obsession with them. But the thoughts are about a body, not about you. Seeing that, you can become disinterested in it. The energy gets freed up. Maybe you'll even become interested in the source of life, called consciousness. Perhaps you have an epiphany: Life with the absence of self. You get the flavor of the moment, life-as-it-happens; and it startles the self into submission. The self goes down, goes to its corner, has some water thrown on it; but it's soon back in the ring again, saying, Oh! I HAD the experience, this epiphany! It pulls out a victory from the threshold of defeat.
Re: [TROM1] The basic law that governs this universe
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Slim, I'm only now getting around to commenting on a few posts. Reading between the lines it seems you are having fun? Have you ever considered that attributing our observations, experiences and education to our mock-up of self may be how we become enslaved to the idea of self and that just maybe we are not what we think we are? We may possibly not be the nouns we think we are! Noun's such as Spirit or Thetan. Oh yes we do thetaning or spiriting. Below are some quote's which I found very relevant and applicable. If anyone is interested - just google or ask and I'll refer you: Each moment Life streams through the gates of the senses, fresh and new. That's CONSCIOUS CONTACT. Then the mind hijacks it, says, I am what's in conscious contact. There is simple consciousness of it; --- seeing happens. Then the head says, --I am doing that. WHO is seeing --- the sense of being the one seeing --- becomes more important than SEEING itself. Life is happening; it's a verb. The verb is the reality and the noun is the illusion. You are looking at it from the point of view of being a noun so you're missing it. That's what your head is doing all day: INTERPRETING what is going on and making it into a story about something else. You lose the verbing of life as soon as the noun claims the experience as something that happened to it. You say you want to be awake. But while you are adsorbed in the story of self you will be unconscious to the fact that you are ALREADY AWAKE. Then you may have the curse of thinking you want to BECOME awake. Reinforcing the idea that you are not awake. The head is playing God. And it's already beat you, since now it's got you thinking you're not awake. It's going to play with that for years. There's no escaping WHAT'S SO. You can SENSE living or else you can THINK about it. That's the choice. This is not about acquiring knowledge. It's about waking up to the essence of what we call living. If you identify as SELF, you're going to inhabit the realm of WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING. The future and the past. A thought is just a thought; but it changes dramatically when it becomes MY thought. The interpretation of the thought as being mine is slapped on it. But that's not living, it's reliving - a self-centred system of thought and interpretation always going on. You think you're separate from life and it's HAPPENING TO you. I'm the noun that everything is happening to. But there is no noun in living; it's just verbing. When you're seeing with a noun way of looking you are interpreting life from a false centre. And you don't understand why you're so confused. All the experiences of being a verb become something that the noun HAD. You want the verb-ness of life, but you're missing it. You're saddled with this noun way of looking at things. There is the dilemma: You cannot see you've made yourself into a noun. The noun cannot get the sense of peace because peace is a living movement, not a stagnant thing you acquire or capture. As a noun life becomes interpreted and you become a storage unit for the mind's interpretation of life. You're not experiencing a living moment, you're rehashing an old moment. You live from memory; interpretation is constantly presented to override the living-ness of life. As a noun the best you can do is to assume that you HAD an experience; you cannot be THAT in which the experience occurs. One is a movement; the other is a package deal. You're either moving with things or you are packaging them up, I know this and that; I've had this and that experience. Taking the verb and transforming it into something you possess. The mind's interpretation is, All right, I'm going to stick myself in front of that verb. Stick myself in as a noun and edit life, under the assumption that I am the doer of this verb. I am seeing, I am touching, I am feeling, I am hearing, and I am especially thinking about it all. The doer and the haver and the interpreter. Exhausting! Trying to have control over it all. Grasping at some assurance it's going to be okay down the river. Building dams and reservoirs. What fuels the selfing is your attention to the thoughts, your obsession with them. But the thoughts are about a body, not about you. Seeing that, you can become disinterested in it. The energy gets freed up. Maybe you'll even become interested in the source of life, called consciousness. Perhaps you have an epiphany: Life with the absence of self. You get the flavor of the moment, life-as-it-happens; and it startles the self into submission. The self goes down, goes to its corner, has some water thrown on it; but it's soon back in the ring again, saying, Oh! I HAD the experience, this epiphany! It pulls out a victory from the threshold of defeat. Generally the epiphany ends when this selfing arises and interpretation begins. A couple of epiphanies like that and you'll be a
