Re: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ

2004-05-29 Thread Terry Clifton




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There seems to be a confusion in nomenclature: 
 
There is a difference between BELIEVING
IN Yeshua and BELIEVING Yeshua.
 
Perhaps this is the difference everyone is stepping
around.
 
-- slade
  
  
  What are the differences?  Just curious.  Laura

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Good morning Laura:
There are people called atheists who do not believe that there is a God
There are people who are called agnostics that think there may or may
not be a God. In either case, they are not really interested in
pursuing the issue.
There are people called believers that believe that Jesus was who He is
and did what He did.  Satan is in this category.
There are people who believe what Jesus teaches. That Jesus is not only
their savior, but their Master. They no longer live to please
themselves.  They have died to self and now live to please Him.  They
are saved.

I suspect that you would fall into this last category.
Terry





Re: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ

2004-05-29 Thread LaurHamm



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What are the differences?  Just curious.  Laura-Good morning Laura:There are people called atheists who do not believe that there is a GodThere are people who are called agnostics that think there may or may not be a God. In either case, they are not really interested in pursuing the issue.There are people called believers that believe that Jesus was who He is and did what He did.  Satan is in this category.There are people who believe what Jesus teaches. That Jesus is not only their savior, but their Master. They no longer live to please themselves.  They have died to self and now live to please Him.  They are saved.I suspect that you would fall into this last category.Terry
I guess I am just naive.  I don't understand how you can believe Jesus was who he was and did what he did and not believe and follow what he teaches.  I guess it's what some refer to as head knowledge vs. heart knowledge.  BTW  I am enjoying the recent atmosphere - it is edifying!  Laura


RE: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ

2004-05-29 Thread Slade Henson



I know many people who believe Yeshua lived, 
breathed, and walked the Earth. In this context, they believe IN Yeshua. Is it 
safe to assume all Protestant/Catholic Christianity fits in this 
category?
 
 
However, many of these people do 
not believe what Yeshua said: 

  They do not believe He is the promised 
  Messiah.
  They do not believe in his 
  contextual/cultural statements that declares His divinity (He was a good and 
  holy man who was assigned the Messianic position through his 
  piety).
  They do not believe the data proving His 
  resurrection.
  They do not believe His sacrifice was once 
  and for all for all sin (unintentional AND intentional) -- or that a sacrifice 
  is even needed.
  They do not believe that He and the Father 
  are One and that there is only One God.
  Many more options exist.
They do not BELIEVE Him. Is it safe to 
assume most of Protestant/Catholic Christianity fits in this 
category?
 
 
-- slade
 
P.S. The explanation Terry gave is a good 
one as well, or even a superior one.

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  In a message dated 5/28/2004 9:27:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
There 
seems to be a confusion in nomenclature: 
 
There is a difference between BELIEVING IN Yeshua and 
BELIEVING Yeshua.
 
Perhaps 
this is the difference everyone is stepping around.
 
-- 
slade
  What are the differences?  Just curious.  
Laura




Re: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ

2004-05-29 Thread Terry Clifton

BTW  I am enjoying the recent atmosphere - it is edifying!  Laura
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Me too!  Maybe it is a sign that we are growing.  I like to think so anyway.
Terry

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[TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath

2004-05-29 Thread Marlin halverson



Unchanged Week 
With Sabbath 
   Old resource-Author unknown Shewing the UNCHANGED ORDER 
of the Days and the true Position of the SABBATH, as proved by the combined 
testimony of Ancient and Modern Languages.  No. LANGUAGE (Where Spoken, 
Read, or Otherwise Used) 1,  2,  3, 4,  5,  6, 
 Name of the SEVENTH DAY    1 Shemitic Hebrew Bible 
world-wide  Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the 
Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath   2 Hebrew 
(Ancient and Modern)  One into the Sabbath, Second into the Sabbath, Third 
into the Sabbath, Fourth into the Sabbath, Fifth into the Sabbath, Eve of Holy 
Sabbath, Shab-bath - Sabbath   3 Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew 
Literature)  Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the 
Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath   4 Targum 
Dialect of the Jews in Kurdistan  Day One of the Seven, Day 2nd of the 
Seven, Day 3rd of the Seven, Day 4th of the Seven, Day 5th of the Seven, Day of 
Eve (of Sabbath), yoy-met sha-bat kodesh - Holy Sabbath Day   
5 Ancient Syriac *Each day proceeds on, and belongs to the Sabbath 
 One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, 
Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shab-ba-tho - Sabbath   
6 Chaldee Syriac Kurdistan and Urdmia, Persia  One into Sabbath, 
Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve 
(of Sabbath), Shap-ta - Sabbath   7 Samaritan (Old Hebrew 
Letters) Nablus, Palestine  Day One Day, Second Day, Third Day, Fourth Day, 
Fifth Day, Sixth, Shab-bath -Sabbath 8 Babylonian Euphrates & 
Tigris Valleys Mesopotamia (Written lang. 3800 B.C.)  First, Second, Third, 
Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 9 Assyrian Euphrates and 
Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia  First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, 
sa-ba-tu - Sabbath   10 Arabic (Very old names)  Business 
Day, Light, Moon, War, Chief Turning Day or Midweek, Familiar or Society Day, 
Eve (of Sabbath), Shi-yar Chief or Rejoicing Day 11 Arabic 
(Ancient and Modern) Westn. Asia,  E,W & N. Africa  The One, The 
Two, The Three, The Four ,The Fifth, Assembly (day, Muham), as-sabt 
-The Sabbath   12 Maltese, Malta  One (day), Two (and 
day), The 3 (3rd d.), The 4 (4th d.), Fifth (day), Assembly, Is-sibt -The 
Sabbath   13 Ge-ez or Ethiopic Abyssinia (Ge-ez signifies 
"original")  One (day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), 
san-bat -Sabbath   14 Tigre Abyssinia (Closely 
related to Ge-ez)  One (First day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of 
Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath   15 Amharic, Abyssinia 
(Nearly related to Ge-ez)  One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of 
Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath   16 Falasha (Language of the 
 Jews of Abyssinia)  One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, 
yini sanbat The Sabbath   17 Coptic / Egypt (A dead 
lang. for 200 years)  The First Day, The 2nd Day, The 3rd Day, The 4th Day, 
The 5th Day, The 6th Day, pi sabbaton -The Sabbath   18 Orma 
or Galla South of Abyssinia (This language has two sets of names, the first 
being the oldest)  Lady, Virgin Mary Day. Great or Festival Sabbath Second 
day. First Trade Day 3rd Day to the Sabbath. Second Trade Day 4th day to the 
Sabbath. Fourth (day), Fifth (day), Assembly (day), Last day of the half-week 
inclusive of 4th day. Little or Humble or Solemn Sabbath  (A day of 
no ceremonial display and no work)   19 Tamashek or Towarek. (From 
ancient Lybian or Numidian). Atlas Mountains, Africa.  First day, Second 
day, Third day, Fourth day, Fifth day, Assembly Day, a-hal es-sabt. -The 
Sabbath Day   20 Kabyle or Berber. (Ancient Numidian) North 
Africa  Day the One (First) Day, the Two (2nd) Day, the Three (3rd) Day, 
the Four (4th) Day, the Fifth, The Assembly Day, ghas or wars assebt -The 
Sabbath Day   21 Hausa Central Africa)  The One (1st), The 
Two (2nd), The Three (3rd), The Four (4th), The Fifth, The Assembly, assebatu 
-The Sabbath   22 Urdu or Hindustani (Muhammadan and Hindu, 
India) (Two names for the days)  One to Sabbath. Sunday, 2nd to Sabbath. 
Moon-day, 3rd to Sabbath, Mars 4th to Sabbath, Mercury 5th to Sabbath, (Eve of 
Juma) Assembly (day), sanichar - Saturn shamba - Sabbath   
23 Pashto or Afghan Afghanistan  One to the Sabbath ,Two to 
Sabbath, Three to Sabbath, Four to Sabbath, Five to Sabbath, Assembly (day), 
khali Unemployed-day,  Shamba - Sabbath