Re: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ
michael douglas wrote: Michael D: Thank you Dave H for reposting this.I think Kevin's point highlights the seeming dilemma inherent in David's previous and current positions. DAVEH: There is no dilemma for me, MichaelD. I know what I believe, and am very comfortable with those beliefs. Though some TTers want to put a different spin on those beliefs to portray them negatively, I am not concerned because much of what they say is either not true, or misconstrued. Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Seems like a lot of Christian folks think salvation is for any believer in Jesus, excepting if that believer is a member of a group labeled as a cult.Or that "BELIEVER"believes in the Jesus that is Satan's brother. believes in the MAN Jesus who worked his way upward to become a god(he was a man who progressed to become a god, not the God who lowered himself to become a man) believes in a Jesus that had to score a wife or wives (plural) to become a god. who was married in a Temple and performed all those SECRET Temple rituals, including baptism for the dead. believes in a Jesus that has a "Heavenly Mother" believes in a Jesus that has a Father, that had a Father, that had a Father, AD Infinitum... believes in a Jesus who had a better plan than his Brother Lucifer's plan at the "council of the gods" believes in a Jesus who is the "LITERAL" son of Elohim the Father MaryThat Jesus is a counterfiet and idol of yours Jo Smiths imagination. He could not save anybody, he does not exist. He can not speak nor hear, can not answer prayers. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael D: Hansen, I think I inadvertently deleted your last response to me. Can you please resend. DAVEH: I think this is the last one I posted, MichaelD. ++ Dave wrote: michael douglas wrote: DAVEH: I haven't been following this thread too close, so I may not fully understand what comments you are expecting of me, Michael. Michael D: My main reason for anticipating your response is in the light of David not categorically alleging that your concept of Jesus prevents you from achieving eternal life (as far as I remember in past discussions) whereas others affirmed just that. The statements in view from him here, however, seem to have serious implications for LDS hopes for any salvation if their status remains quo (based on his stated position). DAVEH: Seems like a lot of Christian folks think salvation is for any believer in Jesus, excepting if that believer is a member of a group labeled as a cult. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.
Re: [TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath
Looks like you did a really detailed study Marlin. What's your point? :-) Terry Marlin halverson wrote: Unchanged Week With Sabbath Old resource-Author unknown Shewing the UNCHANGED ORDER of the Days and the true Position of the SABBATH, as proved by the combined testimony of Ancient and Modern Languages. No. LANGUAGE (Where Spoken, Read, or Otherwise Used) 1, 2, 3,4, 5, 6, Name of the SEVENTH DAY 1 Shemitic Hebrew Bible world-wide Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 2 Hebrew (Ancient and Modern) One into the Sabbath, Second into the Sabbath, Third into the Sabbath, Fourth into the Sabbath, Fifth into the Sabbath, Eve of Holy Sabbath, Shab-bath - Sabbath 3 Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew Literature) Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 4 Targum Dialect of the Jews in Kurdistan Day One of the Seven, Day 2nd of the Seven, Day 3rd of the Seven, Day 4th of the Seven, Day 5th of the Seven, Day of Eve(of Sabbath), yoy-met sha-bat kodesh - Holy Sabbath Day 5 Ancient Syriac *Each day proceeds on, and belongs to the Sabbath One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve(of Sabbath), Shab-ba-tho - Sabbath 6 Chaldee Syriac Kurdistan and Urdmia, Persia One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shap-ta - Sabbath 7 Samaritan (Old Hebrew Letters) Nablus, Palestine Day One Day, Second Day, Third Day, Fourth Day, Fifth Day, Sixth, Shab-bath -Sabbath 8 Babylonian Euphrates Tigris Valleys Mesopotamia (Written lang. 3800 B.C.) First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 9 Assyrian Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 10 Arabic (Very old names) Business Day, Light, Moon, War, Chief Turning Day or Midweek, Familiar or Society Day, Eve (of Sabbath), Shi-yar Chief or Rejoicing Day 11 Arabic (Ancient and Modern) Westn. Asia, E,W N. Africa The One, The Two, The Three, The Four ,The Fifth, Assembly (day, Muham), as-sabt -The Sabbath 12 Maltese, Malta One (day), Two (and day), The 3 (3rd d.), The 4 (4th d.), Fifth (day), Assembly, Is-sibt -The Sabbath 13 Ge-ez or Ethiopic Abyssinia (Ge-ez signifies "original") One (day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 14 Tigre Abyssinia (Closely related to Ge-ez) One (First day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 15 Amharic, Abyssinia (Nearly related to Ge-ez) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 16 Falasha (Language of the Jews of Abyssinia) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, yini sanbat The Sabbath 17 Coptic / Egypt (A dead lang. for 200 years) The First Day, The 2nd Day, The 3rd Day, The 4th Day, The 5th Day, The 6th Day, pi sabbaton -The Sabbath 18 Orma or Galla South of Abyssinia (This language has two sets of names, the first being the oldest) Lady, Virgin Mary Day. Great or Festival Sabbath Second day. First Trade Day 3rd Day to the Sabbath. Second Trade Day 4th day to the Sabbath. Fourth (day), Fifth (day), Assembly (day), Last day of the half-week inclusive of 4th day. Little or Humble or Solemn Sabbath (A day of no ceremonial display and no work) 19 Tamashek or Towarek. (From ancient Lybian or Numidian). Atlas Mountains, Africa. First day, Second day, Third day, Fourth day, Fifth day, Assembly Day, a-hal es-sabt. -The Sabbath Day 20 Kabyle or Berber. (Ancient Numidian) North Africa Day the One (First) Day, the Two (2nd) Day, the Three (3rd) Day, the Four (4th) Day, the Fifth, The Assembly Day, ghas or wars assebt -The Sabbath Day 21 Hausa Central Africa) The One (1st), The Two (2nd), The Three (3rd), The Four (4th), The Fifth, The Assembly, assebatu -The Sabbath 22 Urdu or Hindustani (Muhammadan and Hindu, India) (Two names for the days) One to Sabbath. Sunday, 2nd to Sabbath. Moon-day, 3rd to Sabbath, Mars 4th to Sabbath, Mercury 5th to Sabbath, (Eve of Juma) Assembly (day), sanichar - Saturn shamba - Sabbath 23 Pashto or Afghan Afghanistan One to the Sabbath ,Two to Sabbath, Three to Sabbath, Four to Sabbath, Five to Sabbath, Assembly (day), khali Unemployed-day, Shamba - Sabbath
Re: [TruthTalk] The Mediation of Christ
In a message dated 5/28/2004 3:02:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes; and what about the 'cult/s' of 'believers' 'sanctifying' the children with belts and boards; unto 'perfection' by paddling, eh? Morman or not, they believe this abusive madness is theological; and, perhaps it is, upon reflection, but it sure ain't biblical Just about as biblical as you can get, I believe. It can be over done -- but for some kids it is necessary. Keeping children safe sometimes requires physical disipline -- or do you give the kid time out after he has walked into the street or after he has stuck his finger into a light socket? Grandpa Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath
The author of the study is unknown. But the author of the creation created a cycle of seven days that is common throughout the earth. It isa blessing thatI appreciate. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath Looks like you did a really detailed study Marlin. What's your point? :-)TerryMarlin halverson wrote: Unchanged Week With Sabbath Old resource-Author unknown Showing the UNCHANGED ORDER of the Days and the true Position of the SABBATH, as proved by the combined testimony of Ancient and Modern Languages. No. LANGUAGE (Where Spoken, Read, or Otherwise Used) 1, 2, 3,4, 5, 6, Name of the SEVENTH DAY 1 Shemitic Hebrew Bible world-wide Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 2 Hebrew (Ancient and Modern) One into the Sabbath, Second into the Sabbath, Third into the Sabbath, Fourth into the Sabbath, Fifth into the Sabbath, Eve of Holy Sabbath, Shab-bath - Sabbath 3 Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew Literature) Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 4 Targum Dialect of the Jews in Kurdistan Day One of the Seven, Day 2nd of the Seven, Day 3rd of the Seven, Day 4th of the Seven, Day 5th of the Seven, Day of Eve(of Sabbath), yoy-met sha-bat kodesh - Holy Sabbath Day 5 Ancient Syriac *Each day proceeds on, and belongs to the Sabbath One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve(of Sabbath), Shab-ba-tho - Sabbath 6 Chaldee Syriac Kurdistan and Urdmia, Persia One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shap-ta - Sabbath 7 Samaritan (Old Hebrew Letters) Nablus, Palestine Day One Day, Second Day, Third Day, Fourth Day, Fifth Day, Sixth, Shab-bath -Sabbath 8 Babylonian Euphrates Tigris Valleys Mesopotamia (Written lang. 3800 B.C.) First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 9 Assyrian Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 10 Arabic (Very old names) Business Day, Light, Moon, War, Chief Turning Day or Midweek, Familiar or Society Day, Eve (of Sabbath), Shi-yar Chief or Rejoicing Day 11 Arabic (Ancient and Modern) Westn. Asia, E,W N. Africa The One, The Two, The Three, The Four ,The Fifth, Assembly (day, Muham), as-sabt -The Sabbath 12 Maltese, Malta One (day), Two (and day), The 3 (3rd d.), The 4 (4th d.), Fifth (day), Assembly, Is-sibt -The Sabbath 13 Ge-ez or Ethiopic Abyssinia (Ge-ez signifies "original") One (day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 14 Tigre Abyssinia (Closely related to Ge-ez) One (First day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 15 Amharic, Abyssinia (Nearly related to Ge-ez) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 16 Falasha (Language of the Jews of Abyssinia) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, yini sanbat The Sabbath 17 Coptic / Egypt (A dead lang. for 200 years) The First Day, The 2nd Day, The 3rd Day, The 4th Day, The 5th Day, The 6th Day, pi sabbaton -The Sabbath 18 Orma or Galla South of Abyssinia (This language has two sets of names, the first being the oldest) Lady, Virgin Mary Day. Great or Festival Sabbath Second day. First Trade Day 3rd Day to the Sabbath. Second Trade Day 4th day to the Sabbath. Fourth (day), Fifth (day), Assembly (day), Last day of the half-week inclusive of 4th day. Little or Humble or Solemn Sabbath (A day of no ceremonial display and no work) 19 Tamashek or Towarek. (From ancient Lybian or Numidian). Atlas Mountains, Africa. First day, Second day, Third day, Fourth day, Fifth day, Assembly Day, a-hal es-sabt. -The Sabbath Day 20 Kabyle or Berber. (Ancient Numidian) North Africa Day the One (First) Day, the Two (2nd) Day, the Three (3rd) Day, the Four (4th) Day, the Fifth, The Assembly Day, ghas or wars assebt -The Sabbath Day 21 Hausa Central Africa) The One (1st), The Two (2nd), The Three (3rd), The Four (4th), The Fifth, The Assembly, assebatu -The Sabbath 22 Urdu or Hindustani (Muhammadan and Hindu, India) (Two names for the days) One to Sabbath. Sunday, 2nd to Sabbath. Moon-day, 3rd to Sabbath, Mars 4th to Sabbath, Mercury 5th to Sabbath, (Eve of Juma) Assembly (day), sanichar - Saturn shamba - Sabbath 23 Pashto or Afghan Afghanistan One to the Sabbath ,Two
