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- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/20/2006 1:09:41 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

"God's commandments":

"Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and 
with all your strength...the LORD loved you and..and redeemed you" 
   Deuteronomy 6,7 NIV
cd: Gary are you suggesting those of OT did not have to keep the commandments?You are using an OT verse to make you pointfor the Moral Law as being legalistic. Yet we are to keep the same Love of God and Love of neighbor in NT which if one is doing this one is keeping the commandments. eg. Do not bow down and worship idols (love of God). Do not covet thy neighbors house,wife...etc (Love thy neighbor). The commandments are telling how to love God and neighbor by not transgressing against them.
 Here is another OT verse that speaks of Transgressions by a Jew who also thought they had it made for simply being children of Abraham-I suspect that one day you will be astonished too.
Ezr 9:4 Then were assembled unto me every one that trembled at the words of the God of Israel, because of the transgression of those that had been carried away; and I sat astonished until the evening sacrifice. 

Here is a new testament teaching on transgression Gary: Tell me how much difference do you really notice between the OT and NT concerning transgressions?

Heb 2:1-3 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 
This is by J.Wesley concerning Transgressions:
Rom 5:14 - Death reigned - And how vast is his kingdom! Scarce can we find any king who has as many subjects, as are the kings whom he hath conquered. Even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression - Even over infants who had never sinned, as Adam did, in their own persons; and over others who had not, like him, sinned against an express law. Who is the figure of him that was to come - Each of them being a public person, and a federal head of mankind. The one, the fountain of sin and death to mankind by his offence; the other, of righteousness and life by his free gift. Thus far the apostle shows the agreement between the first and second Adam: afterward he shows the differences between them. The agreement may be summed up thus: As by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; so by one man righteousness entered into the world, and life by righteousness. As death passed upon all men, in that all had sinned; so life passed upon all men,
 (who are in the second Adam by faith,) in that all are justified. And as death through the sin of the first Adam reigned even over them who had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression; so through the righteousness of Christ, even those who have not obeyed, after the likeness of his obedience, shall reign in life. We may add, As the sin of Adam, without the sins which we afterwards committed, brought us death ; so the righteousness of Christ, without the good works which we afterwards perform, brings us life: although still every good, as well as evil, work, will receive its due reward.
Gary here is what transgression mean according to the New Testament: Why are you teachingcontrary tothe Bible?
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 
Which law? The moral law of course Gary.




On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:56:37 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

..the obedience in loveofthe Lamb,the saintly faithfulness adequate in itself for the Lord Godhimself, below,is loston *the legalist's(lack of) obedience to the letter of the law, whose cursory categories of law  love,whilemating in the motion of themind,aremostly mutually exclusive, dualized, dialectical at at best*

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:04:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

..A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. 
 Revelation 14, NIV

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..supplanting the NT withdoctrinal dualism administratedthrough force

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Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that might exist between: 1. 
Those who are born of God do not sin.  2. those who ...continue in their 
ADDICTION to sin.


David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'

Just in the last week or two I've come to see what you, Dean, Judy and Iz 
are laying claim to with greater clarity. I'm looking again at those 
Scriptures quoted in support of this claim. I'm speaking with many folks re: 
their 'experience'.
- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006 17:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative


Lance, I am among those who keep the commandments of Jesus and walk in 
love.

I have stated such many times.  I believe the Lord is able to keep me from
sin and transgressions for the rest of my life.  Those who are born of God
do not sin. This is reality.  Deception comes from those who say they are 
in

Christ and yet continue in their addiction to sin.  Christ is light and in
him is no darkness at all.

As for my being on the same footing as the lost of the world in my need 
for

redemption, you are right.  I preach such almost every time I preach to
sinners.  I preach that I cannot point my finger of judgment because I am 
in
need of mercy just like they are in need of mercy.  I am not the Judge, 
but
rather I only bear testimony of the Judge because I know him and he has 
sent

me.

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

DAVID:We await your response to the specific post re:DM/SIN Was it not you
who made the christology/sin  along with the ideaological/pragmatic
distinction?

DAVID:It may be that not unlike the cast in 'Enron: The Smartest Guys in 
the

Room'  that though your Greek grammar,  logic,  vocabulary aand your
grooming (?) are impeccable, IFF you, along with the rest of humanity,
ACTUALLY DO SIN IN THOUGHT/WORD/DEED DAILY then, you are simply wrong for
the 'right' reasons. Don't be affeared David, y'all wouldn't be the first 
to

have so thoroughly 'missed the mark'.(theologically) Thank the Lord David,
provision has been made for such as you.

We promise not to make up signs reading 'BEWARE! DAVID MILLER, A 
(redeemed)

SINNER (past, present and, future) ONE WHO STANDS ON EQUALSINFUL FOOTING
WITH QUEERS RESIDES AT THIS HOME'
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 18, 2006 20:32
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative



You are still sticking with your bias of how you have been taught to read
the present tense.  Don't you notice how you keep retranslating the words
into an ing form that accepted translators do not use in their 
translations
(KJV, NASB, etc.)?   I don't care about the translations.  It (ing) is a 
way
of bring out the linear action of the verb and it is the accepted manner 
of

doing so in all the grammars I have seen.   What do you think I was
presenting to you when I gave sources complete with page reference?   They
all use the ing   and for the same reason I use that ending.  Are you
suggesting that Robertson's comments (as you understand them)   trumps all
of these grammictal illustration?   That the first year boys simply did 
not

get it right  --  all of them?   But more than that  -- you do not think
that walk in the light is an ONGOING activity?  Or that as long as I 
deny

sin ()whatever that means) I will CONTINUE to be considered a liar.  You
don't see that?   And, are you saying that present indicative actives 
never

mean to imply linear action?

jd




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Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 2/20/2006 6:53:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

 David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that might exist between: 1. 
 Those who are born of God do not sin.  2. those who ...continue in their 
 ADDICTION to sin.

 David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'

 Just in the last week or two I've come to see what you, Dean, Judy and Iz 
 are laying claim to with greater clarity. I'm looking again at those 
 Scriptures quoted in support of this claim. I'm speaking with many folks
re: 
 their 'experience'---
cd: Praise the God of Isreal for love towards his children in that he gives
light to those he chooses and withhold it from the prideful-yea, even babs
are allowed to see whereas the wise- in their own eyes- he has blinded even
to parables. May His name be blessed forever.
---
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: February 19, 2006 17:30
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

  Lance, I am among those who keep the commandments of Jesus and walk in 
  love.
  I have stated such many times.  I believe the Lord is able to keep me
from
  sin and transgressions for the rest of my life.  Those who are born of
God
  do not sin. This is reality.  Deception comes from those who say they
are 
  in
  Christ and yet continue in their addiction to sin.  Christ is light and
in
  him is no darkness at all.

  As for my being on the same footing as the lost of the world in my need 
  for
  redemption, you are right.  I preach such almost every time I preach to
  sinners.  I preach that I cannot point my finger of judgment because I
am 
  in
  need of mercy just like they are in need of mercy.  I am not the Judge, 
  but
  rather I only bear testimony of the Judge because I know him and he has 
  sent
  me.

  David Miller

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance Muir
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

  DAVID:We await your response to the specific post re:DM/SIN Was it not
you
  who made the christology/sin  along with the ideaological/pragmatic
  distinction?

  DAVID:It may be that not unlike the cast in 'Enron: The Smartest Guys
in 
  the
  Room'  that though your Greek grammar,  logic,  vocabulary aand your
  grooming (?) are impeccable, IFF you, along with the rest of humanity,
  ACTUALLY DO SIN IN THOUGHT/WORD/DEED DAILY then, you are simply wrong
for
  the 'right' reasons. Don't be affeared David, y'all wouldn't be the
first 
  to
  have so thoroughly 'missed the mark'.(theologically) Thank the Lord
David,
  provision has been made for such as you.

  We promise not to make up signs reading 'BEWARE! DAVID MILLER, A 
  (redeemed)
  SINNER (past, present and, future) ONE WHO STANDS ON EQUALSINFUL FOOTING
  WITH QUEERS RESIDES AT THIS HOME'
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: February 18, 2006 20:32
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

  You are still sticking with your bias of how you have been taught to
read
  the present tense.  Don't you notice how you keep retranslating the
words
  into an ing form that accepted translators do not use in their 
  translations
  (KJV, NASB, etc.)?   I don't care about the translations.  It (ing) is
a 
  way
  of bring out the linear action of the verb and it is the accepted
manner 
  of
  doing so in all the grammars I have seen.   What do you think I was
  presenting to you when I gave sources complete with page reference?  
They
  all use the ing   and for the same reason I use that ending.  Are you
  suggesting that Robertson's comments (as you understand them)   trumps
all
  of these grammictal illustration?   That the first year boys simply did 
  not
  get it right  --  all of them?   But more than that  -- you do not think
  that walk in the light is an ONGOING activity?  Or that as long as I 
  deny
  sin ()whatever that means) I will CONTINUE to be considered a liar.  You
  don't see that?   And, are you saying that present indicative actives 
  never
  mean to imply linear action?

  jd

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  know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) 
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 If you

Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

Dean:May it please the 'court' your honour..don't be preliminary with your 
'praises'. I spent the better part of yesterday with a friend who said that, 
at least in theory, he concurred with, what I shall hereafter call 'the 
sinless ones'. As yet IFO do not. I want to be quite sure as to the meaning 
of the claimants.


- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 20, 2006 07:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative







[Original Message]
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Date: 2/20/2006 6:53:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that might exist between: 1.
Those who are born of God do not sin.  2. those who ...continue in their
ADDICTION to sin.

David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'

Just in the last week or two I've come to see what you, Dean, Judy and Iz
are laying claim to with greater clarity. I'm looking again at those
Scriptures quoted in support of this claim. I'm speaking with many folks

re:

their 'experience'---
cd: Praise the God of Isreal for love towards his children in that he 
gives

light to those he chooses and withhold it from the prideful-yea, even babs
are allowed to see whereas the wise- in their own eyes- he has blinded 
even

to parables. May His name be blessed forever.
---
- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 19, 2006 17:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative


 Lance, I am among those who keep the commandments of Jesus and walk in
 love.
 I have stated such many times.  I believe the Lord is able to keep me

from

 sin and transgressions for the rest of my life.  Those who are born of

God

 do not sin. This is reality.  Deception comes from those who say they

are

 in
 Christ and yet continue in their addiction to sin.  Christ is light and

in

 him is no darkness at all.

 As for my being on the same footing as the lost of the world in my need
 for
 redemption, you are right.  I preach such almost every time I preach to
 sinners.  I preach that I cannot point my finger of judgment because I

am

 in
 need of mercy just like they are in need of mercy.  I am not the Judge,
 but
 rather I only bear testimony of the Judge because I know him and he has
 sent
 me.

 David Miller

 - Original Message - 
 From: Lance Muir

 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

 DAVID:We await your response to the specific post re:DM/SIN Was it not

you

 who made the christology/sin  along with the ideaological/pragmatic
 distinction?

 DAVID:It may be that not unlike the cast in 'Enron: The Smartest Guys

in

 the
 Room'  that though your Greek grammar,  logic,  vocabulary aand your
 grooming (?) are impeccable, IFF you, along with the rest of humanity,
 ACTUALLY DO SIN IN THOUGHT/WORD/DEED DAILY then, you are simply wrong

for

 the 'right' reasons. Don't be affeared David, y'all wouldn't be the

first

 to
 have so thoroughly 'missed the mark'.(theologically) Thank the Lord

David,

 provision has been made for such as you.

 We promise not to make up signs reading 'BEWARE! DAVID MILLER, A
 (redeemed)
 SINNER (past, present and, future) ONE WHO STANDS ON EQUALSINFUL 
 FOOTING

 WITH QUEERS RESIDES AT THIS HOME'
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: February 18, 2006 20:32
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative



 You are still sticking with your bias of how you have been taught to

read

 the present tense.  Don't you notice how you keep retranslating the

words

 into an ing form that accepted translators do not use in their
 translations
 (KJV, NASB, etc.)?   I don't care about the translations.  It (ing) is

a

 way
 of bring out the linear action of the verb and it is the accepted

manner

 of
 doing so in all the grammars I have seen.   What do you think I was
 presenting to you when I gave sources complete with page reference?

They

 all use the ing   and for the same reason I use that ending.  Are you
 suggesting that Robertson's comments (as you understand them)   trumps

all

 of these grammictal illustration?   That the first year boys simply did
 not
 get it right  --  all of them?   But more than that  -- you do not 
 think

 that walk in the light is an ONGOING activity?  Or that as long as I
 deny
 sin ()whatever that means) I will CONTINUE to be considered a liar. 
 You

 don't see that?   And, are you saying that present indicative actives
 never
 mean to imply linear action?

 jd




 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may
 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
 http://www.InnGlory.org

[TruthTalk] Christological Questions - Class notes to follow




DM will know of the sort of thing that is to 
follow. It is possible that others will not. Let this serve to illustrate 
'plurality'.

Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

2006-02-20 Thread David Miller

Lance wrote:
 David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that
 might exist between:
 1. Those who are born of God do not sin. 
 2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to sin.

I'm not sure what you are looking for here, Lance.  The distinction seems 
rather obvious.  Those born of God do not sin while those addicted to sin 
do.  There is a commonality between the two people:  they both have a flesh 
which is a source of temptation.  The difference is that one follows the 
Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of love, while the other continues to 
yield to his carnal desires.

Lance wrote:
 David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'

All the commandments are summed up in the commandments to love God and love 
your neighbor.  There are many other commandments also, but they are summed 
up in these two.

Some passages for your consideration, illustrating some details about how to 
love God and love your neighbor:

Luke 18:18-22
(18) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to 
inherit eternal life?
(19) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save 
one, that is, God.
(20) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do 
not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
(21) And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
(22) Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou 
one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou 
shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

1 Thessalonians 4:2-14
(2) For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
(3) For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should 
abstain from fornication:
(4) That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in 
sanctification and honour;
(5) Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not 
God:
(6) That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because 
that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and 
testified.
(7) For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
(8) He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also 
given unto us his holy Spirit.
(9) But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye 
yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
(10) And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: 
but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
(11) And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work 
with your own hands, as we commanded you;
(12) That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may 
have lack of nothing.
(13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them 
which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
(14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also 
which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

David Miller. 

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Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm sure that you've 
not failed to note my own 'cranial density' on more than a few occasions. I 
trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to obtain 
scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the sinless 
ones' in order that I may move on to other things.


Those who do not sin = believers?
Those who sin = non-believers?

It was your employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my attention, 
David.



- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative



Lance wrote:

David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that
might exist between:
1. Those who are born of God do not sin. 
2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to sin.


I'm not sure what you are looking for here, Lance.  The distinction seems
rather obvious.  Those born of God do not sin while those addicted to sin
do.  There is a commonality between the two people:  they both have a 
flesh

which is a source of temptation.  The difference is that one follows the
Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of love, while the other continues 
to

yield to his carnal desires.

Lance wrote:

David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'


All the commandments are summed up in the commandments to love God and 
love
your neighbor.  There are many other commandments also, but they are 
summed

up in these two.

Some passages for your consideration, illustrating some details about how 
to

love God and love your neighbor:

Luke 18:18-22
(18) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do 
to

inherit eternal life?
(19) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save
one, that is, God.
(20) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, 
Do

not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
(21) And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
(22) Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou
one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou
shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

1 Thessalonians 4:2-14
(2) For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
(3) For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should
abstain from fornication:
(4) That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in
sanctification and honour;
(5) Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not
God:
(6) That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because
that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you 
and

testified.
(7) For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
(8) He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also
given unto us his holy Spirit.
(9) But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for 
ye

yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
(10) And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all 
Macedonia:

but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
(11) And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to 
work

with your own hands, as we commanded you;
(12) That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye 
may

have lack of nothing.
(13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them
which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
(14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also
which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

David Miller.

--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may 
know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6) 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative





Lance the following may be ofhelp you because 
this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He believes it is 
possible.
You do not judyt

The Barna Update: February 20, 2006Be holy because I am 
holy are Gods words to His people. Buthow many 
Christians believe that God has called them to be holy or that achieving 
holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they consider to be 
holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our newest survey examines 
Americans views ofholiness and reflects on the implications of these 
perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the health of the Church. To 
readthis free report, click on the link below or visit our website atwww.barna.org.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm sure 
that  you've  not failed to note my own 'cranial density' on 
more than a few  occasions. I  trust that it is obvious to you, 
et al, that I'm attempting to  obtain  scripture/statements from 
those I've taken to referencing as 'the  sinless  ones' in order 
that I may move on to other things.  Those who do not sin = 
believers? Those who sin = non-believers?  It was your 
employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my  attention,  
David.   - Original Message -  From: 
"David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present 
IndicativeLance wrote:  
David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that  might exist 
between:  1. Those who are born of God do not sin.  
 2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to sin. 
  I'm not sure what you are looking for here, Lance. The 
 distinction seems  rather obvious. Those born of God 
do not sin while those addicted  to sin  do. There is 
a commonality between the two people: they both  have a  
 flesh  which is a source of temptation. The difference is 
that one  follows the  Spirit and therefore fulfills the law 
of love, while the other  continues   to  yield 
to his carnal desires.   Lance wrote:  
David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'   
All the commandments are summed up in the commandments to love God  and 
  love  your neighbor. There are many other 
commandments also, but they  are   summed  up in 
these two.   Some passages for your consideration, 
illustrating some details  about how   to  love 
God and love your neighbor:   Luke 18:18-22  
(18) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what  shall I 
do   to  inherit eternal life?  (19) And 
Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is  good, 
save  one, that is, God.  (20) Thou knowest the 
commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not  kill,   
Do  not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy 
 mother.  (21) And he said, All these have I kept from my 
youth up.  (22) Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, 
Yet  lackest thou  one thing: sell all that thou hast, and 
distribute unto the poor,  and thou  shalt have treasure in 
heaven: and come, follow me.   1 Thessalonians 
4:2-14  (2) For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord 
Jesus.  (3) For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, 
that ye  should  abstain from fornication:  (4) 
That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel  in 
 sanctification and honour;  (5) Not in the lust of 
concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which  know not  
God:  (6) That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any 
matter:  because  that the Lord is the avenger of all such, 
as we also have  forewarned you   and  
testified.  (7) For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but 
unto  holiness.  (8) He therefore that despiseth, despiseth 
not man, but God, who  hath also  given unto us his holy 
Spirit.  (9) But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write 
unto  you: for   ye  yourselves are taught of 
God to love one another.  (10) And indeed ye do it toward all the 
brethren which are in allMacedonia:  but we 
beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;  (11) And 
that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business,  and to  
 work  with your own hands, as we commanded you;  
(12) That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and  that 
ye   may  have lack of nothing.  (13) But I 
would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning  them 
 which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no  
hope.  (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even 
so  them also  which sleep in Jesus will God bring with 
him.   David Miller.   
--  "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with 
salt, that  you may   know how you ought to answer every 
man." (Colossians 4:6)   http://www.InnGlory.org  
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Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' in 2
parts:

1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak as
believer to believer.

2.Achieve? It all depends upon that which you mean
by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this whole conversation.

thanks for your input,

Lance

- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present
Indicative

Lance the following may be ofhelp you because
this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He believes it
is possible.
You do not judyt

The Barna Update: February 20, 2006Be holy because I am
holy are Gods words to His people. Buthow many
Christians believe that God has called them to be holy or that achieving
holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they consider to be
holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our newest survey examines
Americans views ofholiness and reflects on the implications of these
perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the health of the Church. To
readthis free report, click on the link below or visit our website
atwww.barna.org.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes: Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm sure
that you've not failed to note my own 'cranial density' on
more than a few occasions. I trust that it is obvious to
you, et al, that I'm attempting to obtain
scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the
sinless ones' in order that I may move on to other things.
Those who do not sin = believers? Those who sin =
non-believers? It was your employment of the word 'addiction'
that caught my attention, David.
- Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present
IndicativeLance wrote:
David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that might exist
between: 1. Those who are born of God do not sin.
2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to
sin. I'm not sure what you are looking for here,
Lance. The distinction seems rather obvious.
Those born of God do not sin while those addicted to sin
do. There is a commonality between the two people: they both
have a flesh which is a source of
temptation. The difference is that one follows the
Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of love, while the other
continues to yield to his carnal desires.
Lance wrote: David:Kindly expand upon 'the
commandments of Jesus' All the commandments are
summed up in the commandments to love God and
love your neighbor. There are many other commandments also,
but they are summed up in these
two. Some passages for your consideration,
illustrating some details about how to
love God and love your neighbor: Luke
18:18-22 (18) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master,
what shall I do to inherit eternal
life? (19) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
none is good, save one, that is, God. (20)
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill,
Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy
father and thy mother. (21) And he said, All these have
I kept from my youth up. (22) Now when Jesus heard these things,
he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all
that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou
shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
1 Thessalonians 4:2-14 (2) For ye know what commandments we gave
you by the Lord Jesus. (3) For this is the will of God, even your
sanctification, that ye should abstain from
fornication: (4) That every one of you should know how to possess
his vessel in sanctification and honour;
(5) Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know
not God: (6) That no man go beyond and defraud his
brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the
avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you
and testified. (7) For God hath not called us unto
uncleanness, but unto holiness. (8) He therefore that
despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also
given unto us his holy Spirit. (9) But as touching brotherly love
ye need not that I write unto you: for ye
yourselves are taught of God to love one another. (10) And indeed
ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all
Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more
and more; (11) And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own
business, and to work with your own hands,
as we commanded you; (12) That ye may walk honestly toward them
that are without, and that ye

[TruthTalk] Holiness





Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should buy 
and stockhis book Lance...


Reflections on Holiness 
The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the 
state of faith in America, caused the surveys director, George Barna, to 
suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church and 
read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or 
significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore do 
little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a remnant 
that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged in its 
pursuit. The challenge to the nations Christian ministries is to foster a 
genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love God but who are 
ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness. 

From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' in 2 
parts:

1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak as 
believer to believer.

2.Achieve? It all depends upon 
that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this whole 
conversation.

thanks for your input,

Lance

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present 
  Indicative
  
  
  Lance the following may be ofhelp you because 
  this is basically the
  issue you and David are dealing with. He believes it 
  is possible.
  You do not judyt
  
  The Barna Update: February 20, 2006Be holy because I am 
  holy are Gods words to His people. Buthow many 
  Christians believe that God has called them to be holy or that achieving 
  holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they consider to be 
  holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our newest survey examines 
  Americans views ofholiness and reflects on the implications of these 
  perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the health of the Church. To 
  readthis free report, click on the link below or visit our website 
  atwww.barna.org.
  
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm sure 
  that  you've  not failed to note my own 'cranial density' on 
  more than a few  occasions. I  trust that it is obvious to 
  you, et al, that I'm attempting to  obtain  
  scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the  
  sinless  ones' in order that I may move on to other things. 
   Those who do not sin = believers? Those who sin = 
  non-believers?  It was your employment of the word 'addiction' 
  that caught my  attention,  David.   
  - Original Message -  From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present 
  IndicativeLance wrote:  
  David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that  might exist 
  between:  1. Those who are born of God do not sin. 
2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to 
  sin.   I'm not sure what you are looking for here, 
  Lance. The  distinction seems  rather obvious. 
  Those born of God do not sin while those addicted  to sin  
  do. There is a commonality between the two people: they both 
   have a   flesh  which is a source of 
  temptation. The difference is that one  follows the  
  Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of love, while the other  
  continues   to  yield to his carnal desires. 
Lance wrote:  David:Kindly expand upon 'the 
  commandments of Jesus'   All the commandments are 
  summed up in the commandments to love God  and   
  love  your neighbor. There are many other commandments also, 
  but they  are   summed  up in these 
  two.   Some passages for your consideration, 
  illustrating some details  about how   to  
  love God and love your neighbor:   Luke 
  18:18-22  (18) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, 
  what  shall I do   to  inherit eternal 
  life?  (19) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? 
  none is  good, save  one, that is, God.  (20) 
  Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not  kill, 
Do  not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy 
  father and thy  mother.  (21) And he said, All these have 
  I kept from my youth up.  (22) Now when Jesus heard these things, 
  he said unto him, Yet  lackest thou  one thing: sell all 
  that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor,  and thou  
  shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.   
  1 Thessalonians 4:2-14  (2) For ye know what commandments we gave 
  you by the Lord Jesus.  (3) For this is the will of God, even your 
  sanctification, that ye  should  abstain from 
  fornication:  (4) That every one of you should know how to possess 
  his vessel  in  sanctification and honour;

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness




Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often the 
case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two quite 
different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know that I don't 
have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. What I do have 
difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with the presence of 
the absence of holiness.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
  Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness
  
  
  Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should buy 
  and stockhis book Lance...
  
  
  Reflections on Holiness 
  The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the 
  state of faith in America, caused the surveys director, George Barna, to 
  suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
  Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church 
  and read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or 
  significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore 
  do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a 
  remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged 
  in its pursuit. The challenge to the nations Christian ministries is to 
  foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love God 
  but who are ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness. 
  
  From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' in 
  2 parts:
  
  1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak as 
  believer to believer.
  
  2.Achieve? It all depends 
  upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this 
  whole conversation.
  
  thanks for your input,
  
  Lance
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present 
Indicative


Lance the following may be ofhelp you because 
this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He believes 
it is possible.
You do not judyt

The Barna Update: February 20, 2006Be holy because I am 
holy are Gods words to His people. Buthow many 
Christians believe that God has called them to be holy or that 
achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they 
consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our newest 
survey examines Americans views ofholiness and reflects on the 
implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the 
health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below 
or visit our website atwww.barna.org.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm 
sure that  you've  not failed to note my own 'cranial 
density' on more than a few  occasions. I  trust that it is 
obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to  obtain  
scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the  
sinless  ones' in order that I may move on to other things. 
 Those who do not sin = believers? Those who sin = 
non-believers?  It was your employment of the word 
'addiction' that caught my  attention,  David. 
  - Original Message -  From: "David Miller" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present 
IndicativeLance wrote:  
David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that  might 
exist between:  1. Those who are born of God do not sin. 
  2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to 
sin.   I'm not sure what you are looking for here, 
Lance. The  distinction seems  rather 
obvious. Those born of God do not sin while those addicted  to 
sin  do. There is a commonality between the two 
people: they both  have a   flesh  
which is a source of temptation. The difference is that one  
follows the  Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of love, 
while the other  continues   to  yield to 
his carnal desires.   Lance wrote:  
David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'  
 All the commandments are summed up in the commandments to love God 
 and   love  your neighbor. There are 
many other commandments also, but they  are   
summed  up in these two.   Some passages 
for your consideration, illustrating some details  about how 
  to  love God and love your neighbor: 
  Luke 18:18-22  (18) And a certain ruler asked 
him, saying, Good Master, what  shall I do   to 
 inherit eternal life?  (19) And Jesus said unto him, Why 
callest thou me good? none is  good, save  one,

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness




In your opinion Lance?

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:50:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often the 
  case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two quite 
  different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know that I 
  don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. What I do 
  have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with the 
  presence of the absence of holiness.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness


Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should 
buy and stockhis book Lance...


Reflections on Holiness 
The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the 
state of faith in America, caused the surveys director, George Barna, to 
suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church 
and read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or 
significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore 
do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a 
remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged 
in its pursuit. The challenge to the nations Christian ministries is to 
foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love 
God but who are ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness. 


From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' 
in 2 parts:

1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak 
as believer to believer.

2.Achieve? It all depends 
upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this 
whole conversation.

thanks for your input,

Lance

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
  Present Indicative
  
  
  Lance the following may be ofhelp you 
  because this is basically the
  issue you and David are dealing with. He believes 
  it is possible.
  You do not judyt
  
  The Barna Update: February 20, 2006Be holy because I 
  am holy are Gods words to His people. Buthow 
  many Christians believe that God has called them to be holy or that 
  achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they 
  consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our 
  newest survey examines Americans views ofholiness and reflects on the 
  implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the 
  health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below 
  or visit our website atwww.barna.org.
  
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm 
  sure that  you've  not failed to note my own 'cranial 
  density' on more than a few  occasions. I  trust that it 
  is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to  obtain  
  scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the  
  sinless  ones' in order that I may move on to other 
  things.  Those who do not sin = believers? Those 
  who sin = non-believers?  It was your employment of the 
  word 'addiction' that caught my  attention,  
  David.   - Original Message -  
  From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
  Present IndicativeLance wrote: 
   David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that 
   might exist between:  1. Those who are born of 
  God do not sin.   2. those who ...continue in their 
  ADDICTION to sin.   I'm not sure what you are 
  looking for here, Lance. The  distinction seems  
  rather obvious. Those born of God do not sin while those addicted 
   to sin  do. There is a commonality between the 
  two people: they both  have a   flesh 
   which is a source of temptation. The difference is that one 
   follows the  Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of 
  love, while the other  continues   to  
  yield to his carnal desires.   Lance 
  wrote:  David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of 
  Jesus'   All the commandments are summed up in the 
  commandments to love God  and   love  your 
  neighbor. There are many other commandments also, but they  
  are   summed  up in these two. 
Some passages for

[TruthTalk] I am not the judge, but I bear testimony of the Judge

2006-02-20 Thread Christine Miller

David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance, I am among those who keep the commandments of Jesus and walk in love. I have stated such many times. I believe the Lord is able to keep me from sin and transgressions for the rest of my life. Those who are born of God do not sin. This is reality. Deception comes from those who say they are in Christ and yet continue in their addiction to sin. Christ is light and in him is no darkness at all.As for my being on the same footing as the lost of the world in my need for redemption, you are right. I preach such almost every time I preach to sinners. I preach that I cannot point my finger of judgment because I am in need of mercy just like they are in need of mercy. I am not the Judge, but rather I only bear testimony of the Judge because I know him and he has sent me.David Miller- Original Message - From: Lance MuirTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:50 AMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present IndicativeDAVID:We await your response to the specific post re:DM/SIN Was it not you who made the christology/sin along with the ideaological/pragmatic distinction?DAVID:It may be that not unlike the cast in 'Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room' that though your Greek grammar, logic, vocabulary aand your grooming (?) are impeccable, IFF you, along with the rest of humanity, ACTUALLY DO SIN IN THOUGHT/WORD/DEED DAILY then, you are simply
wrong for the 'right' reasons. Don't be affeared David, y'all wouldn't be the first to have so thoroughly 'missed the mark'.(theologically) Thank the Lord David, provision has been made for such as you.We promise not to make up signs reading 'BEWARE! DAVID MILLER, A (redeemed) SINNER (past, present and, future) ONE WHO STANDS ON EQUALSINFUL FOOTING WITH QUEERS RESIDES AT THIS HOME'From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: February 18, 2006 20:32Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present IndicativeYou are still sticking with your bias of how you have been taught to readthe present tense. Don't you notice how you keep retranslating the wordsinto an ing form that accepted translators do not use in their translations(KJV, NASB, etc.)? I don't care about the translations. It (ing) is a way of bring out the linear action of the verb and it is the accepted manner
of doing so in all the grammars I have seen. What do you think I was presenting to you when I gave sources complete with page reference? They all use the "ing" and for the same reason I use that ending. Are you suggesting that Robertson's comments (as you understand them) trumps all of these grammictal illustration? That the first year boys simply did not get it right -- all of them? But more than that -- you do not think that "walk in the light" is an ONGOING activity? Or that as long as I deny sin ()whatever that means) I will CONTINUE to be considered a liar. You don't see that? And, are you saying that present indicative actives never mean to imply linear action?jd --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list,
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Re: [TruthTalk] I am not the judge, but I bear testimony of the Judge

2006-02-20 Thread Christine Miller

Ha! Sorry about this post. When someone makes an excellent point I like to keep and remember, I save the post in my drafts folder and highlight the point for reference. I hit "send" instead of "save as draft." Apologies!Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance, I am among those who keep the commandments of Jesus and walk in love. I have stated such many times. I believe the Lord is able to keep me from sin and transgressions for the rest of my life. Those who are born of God do not sin. This is reality. Deception comes from those who say they are in Christ and yet continue in their addiction to sin. Christ is light and in him
is no darkness at all.As for my being on the same footing as the lost of the world in my need for redemption, you are right. I preach such almost every time I preach to sinners. I preach that I cannot point my finger of judgment because I am in need of mercy just like they are in need of mercy. I am not the Judge, but rather I only bear testimony of the Judge because I know him and he has sent me.David Miller- Original Message - From: Lance MuirTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:50 AMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present IndicativeDAVID:We await your response to the specific post
re:DM/SIN Was it not you who made the christology/sin along with the ideaological/pragmatic distinction?DAVID:It may be that not unlike the cast in 'Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room' that though your Greek grammar, logic, vocabulary aand your grooming (?) are impeccable, IFF you, along with the rest of humanity, ACTUALLY DO SIN IN THOUGHT/WORD/DEED DAILY then, you are simply wrong for the 'right' reasons. Don't be affeared David, y'all wouldn't be the first to have so thoroughly 'missed the mark'.(theologically) Thank the Lord David, provision has been made for such as you.We promise not to make up signs reading 'BEWARE! DAVID MILLER, A (redeemed) SINNER (past, present and, future) ONE WHO STANDS ON EQUALSINFUL FOOTING WITH QUEERS RESIDES AT THIS HOME'From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: February 18, 2006 20:32Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek
Present IndicativeYou are still sticking with your bias of how you have been taught to readthe present tense. Don't you notice how you keep retranslating the wordsinto an ing form that accepted translators do not use in their translations(KJV, NASB, etc.)? I don't care about the translations. It (ing) is a way of bring out the linear action of the verb and it is the accepted manner of doing so in all the grammars I have seen. What do you think I was presenting to you when I gave sources complete with page reference? They all use the "ing" and for the same reason I use that ending. Are you suggesting that Robertson's comments (as you understand them) trumps all of these grammictal illustration? That the first year boys simply did not get it right -- all of them? But more than that -- you do not think that "walk in the light" is an ONGOING activity? Or that as long as I deny sin ()whatever that
means) I will CONTINUE to be considered a liar. You don't see that? And, are you saying that present indicative actives never mean to imply linear action?jd --"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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[TruthTalk] I am not the judge, but I bear testimony of the Judge

2006-02-20 Thread Christine Miller

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Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness




What I'm saying Judy in other words than those 
spoken is: Do you, DMand CD do anything on a given day that is 'unholy'? 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 12:55
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness
  
  In your opinion Lance?
  
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:50:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often 
the case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two 
quite different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know 
that I don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. 
What I do have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with 
the presence of the absence of holiness.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
  Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness
  
  
  Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should 
  buy and stockhis book Lance...
  
  
  Reflections on Holiness 
  The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about 
  the state of faith in America, caused the surveys director, George Barna, 
  to suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
  Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend 
  church and read the Bible, but do not understand the 
  concept or significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, 
  and therefore do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the 
  data identify a remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy 
  life, and is engaged in its pursuit. The challenge to the nations 
  Christian ministries is to foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the 
  masses who claim they love God but who are ignorant about biblical 
  teachings regarding holiness. 
  
  From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 
  'redness' in 2 parts:
  
  1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I 
  speak as believer to believer.
  
  2.Achieve? It all depends 
  upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this 
  whole conversation.
  
  thanks for your input,
  
  Lance
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
Present Indicative


Lance the following may be ofhelp you 
because this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He 
believes it is possible.
You do not judyt

The Barna Update: February 20, 2006Be holy because I 
am holy are Gods words to His people. Buthow 
many Christians believe that God has called them to be holy or that 
achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone 
they consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? 
Our newest survey examines Americans views ofholiness and reflects 
on the implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality 
and the health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the 
link below or visit our website atwww.barna.org.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. 
I'm sure that  you've  not failed to note my own 
'cranial density' on more than a few  occasions. I  
trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to  
obtain  scripture/statements from those I've taken to 
referencing as 'the  sinless  ones' in order that I may 
move on to other things.  Those who do not sin = 
believers? Those who sin = non-believers?  It 
was your employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my  
attention,  David.   - Original 
Message -  From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
Present IndicativeLance wrote: 
 David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that 
 might exist between:  1. Those who are born of 
God do not sin.   2. those who ...continue in their 
ADDICTION to sin.   I'm not sure what you are 
looking for here, Lance. The  distinction seems 
 rather obvious. Those born of God do not sin while those 
addicted  to sin  do. There is a commonality 
between the two people: they

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness




Why would somone who believes that to be holy is to be 
"in eis" and what's more that the whole world
is already "in eis" ask such a question 
Lance?

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:42:06 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  What I'm saying Judy in other words than those 
  spoken is: Do you, DMand CD do anything on a given day that is 'unholy'? 
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 12:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

In your opinion Lance?

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:50:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often 
  the case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having 
  two quite different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please 
  know that I don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be 
  holy'. What I do have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has 
  to do with the presence of the absence of holiness.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness


Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you 
should buy and stockhis book Lance...


Reflections on Holiness 
The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about 
the state of faith in America, caused the surveys director, George 
Barna, to suggest that churches need to take this body of information 
seriously. 
Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend 
church and read the Bible, but do not understand the 
concept or significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be 
holy, and therefore do little, if anything to pursue it. However, 
the data identify a remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a 
holy life, and is engaged in its pursuit. The challenge to the nations 
Christian ministries is to foster a genuine hunger for holiness among 
the masses who claim they love God but who are ignorant about biblical 
teachings regarding holiness. 

From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 
'redness' in 2 parts:

1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I 
speak as believer to believer.

2.Achieve? It all 
depends upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the 
thrust of this whole conversation.

thanks for your input,

Lance

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 
  11:18
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
  Present Indicative
  
  
  Lance the following may be ofhelp you 
  because this is basically the
  issue you and David are dealing with. He 
  believes it is possible.
  You do not judyt
  
  The Barna Update: February 20, 2006Be holy because 
  I am holy are Gods words to His people. Buthow many Christians believe that God has called them to 
  be holy or that achieving holiness is even possible? How 
  many knowsomeone they consider to be holy? What do they 
  understandholiness to mean? Our newest survey examines Americans 
  views ofholiness and reflects on the implications of these 
  perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the health of the 
  Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below or visit 
  our website atwww.barna.org.
  
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes: Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. 
  I'm sure that  you've  not failed to note my own 
  'cranial density' on more than a few  occasions. I  
  trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to 
   obtain  scripture/statements from those I've taken to 
  referencing as 'the  sinless  ones' in order that I 
  may move on to other things.  Those who do not sin = 
  believers? Those who sin = non-believers?  It 
  was your employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my  
  attention,  David.   - Original 
  Message -  From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
  Present Indicative

Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

 [Original Message]
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 2/20/2006 7:23:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

 Dean:May it please the 'court' your honour..don't be preliminary with
your 
 'praises'. I spent the better part of yesterday with a friend who said
that, 
 at least in theory, he concurred with, what I shall hereafter call 'the 
 sinless ones'. As yet IFO do not. I want to be quite sure as to the
meaning 
 of the claimants.
-
cd:O well-I guess I will just have to praise Him anyway:-)
--

 - Original Message - 
 From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: February 20, 2006 07:08
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

  [Original Message]
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Date: 2/20/2006 6:53:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

  David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that might exist between:
1.
  Those who are born of God do not sin.  2. those who ...continue in
their
  ADDICTION to sin.

  David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'

  Just in the last week or two I've come to see what you, Dean, Judy and
Iz
  are laying claim to with greater clarity. I'm looking again at those
  Scriptures quoted in support of this claim. I'm speaking with many
folks
  re:
  their 'experience'---
  cd: Praise the God of Isreal for love towards his children in that he 
  gives
  light to those he chooses and withhold it from the prideful-yea, even
babs
  are allowed to see whereas the wise- in their own eyes- he has blinded 
  even
  to parables. May His name be blessed forever.
  ---
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: February 19, 2006 17:30
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

   Lance, I am among those who keep the commandments of Jesus and walk
in
   love.
   I have stated such many times.  I believe the Lord is able to keep me
  from
   sin and transgressions for the rest of my life.  Those who are born
of
  God
   do not sin. This is reality.  Deception comes from those who say they
  are
   in
   Christ and yet continue in their addiction to sin.  Christ is light
and
  in
   him is no darkness at all.

   As for my being on the same footing as the lost of the world in my
need
   for
   redemption, you are right.  I preach such almost every time I preach
to
   sinners.  I preach that I cannot point my finger of judgment because
I
  am
   in
   need of mercy just like they are in need of mercy.  I am not the
Judge,
   but
   rather I only bear testimony of the Judge because I know him and he
has
   sent
   me.

   David Miller

   - Original Message - 
   From: Lance Muir
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:50 AM
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

   DAVID:We await your response to the specific post re:DM/SIN Was it
not
  you
   who made the christology/sin  along with the ideaological/pragmatic
   distinction?

   DAVID:It may be that not unlike the cast in 'Enron: The Smartest Guys
  in
   the
   Room'  that though your Greek grammar,  logic,  vocabulary aand your
   grooming (?) are impeccable, IFF you, along with the rest of
humanity,
   ACTUALLY DO SIN IN THOUGHT/WORD/DEED DAILY then, you are simply wrong
  for
   the 'right' reasons. Don't be affeared David, y'all wouldn't be the
  first
   to
   have so thoroughly 'missed the mark'.(theologically) Thank the Lord
  David,
   provision has been made for such as you.

   We promise not to make up signs reading 'BEWARE! DAVID MILLER, A
   (redeemed)
   SINNER (past, present and, future) ONE WHO STANDS ON EQUALSINFUL 
   FOOTING
   WITH QUEERS RESIDES AT THIS HOME'
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
   Sent: February 18, 2006 20:32
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

   You are still sticking with your bias of how you have been taught to
  read
   the present tense.  Don't you notice how you keep retranslating the
  words
   into an ing form that accepted translators do not use in their
   translations
   (KJV, NASB, etc.)?   I don't care about the translations.  It (ing)
is
  a
   way
   of bring out the linear action of the verb and it is the accepted
  manner
   of
   doing so in all the grammars I have seen.   What do you think I was
   presenting to you when I gave sources complete with page reference?
  They
   all use the ing   and for the same reason I use that ending.  Are
you
   suggesting that Robertson's comments (as you understand them)  
trumps
  all
   of these grammictal illustration?   That the first year boys simply
did
   not
   get it right  --  all of them?

Re: [TruthTalk] I am not the judge, but I bear testimony of the Judge









- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/20/2006 1:02:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] I am not the judge, but I bear testimony of the Judge

Ha! Sorry about this post. When someone makes an excellent point I like to keep and remember, I save the post in my drafts folder and highlight the point for reference. I hit "send" instead of "save as draft." Apologies!
Moderator-I will overlook it this time Christine but don't let it happen again:-)Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lance, I am among those who keep the commandments of Jesus and walk in love. I have stated such many times. I believe the Lord is able to keep me from sin and transgressions for the rest of my life. Those who are born of God do not sin. This is reality. Deception comes from those who say they are in Christ and yet continue in their addiction to sin. Christ is light and in him is no darkness at all.As for my being on the same footing as the lost of the world in my need for redemption, you are right. I preach such almost every time I preach to sinners. I preach that I cannot point my finger of judgment because I am in need of mercy just like they are in need of mercy. I am not the Judge, but rather I only bear testimony of t
he Judge because I know him and he has sent me.David Miller- Original Message - From: Lance MuirTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:50 AMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present IndicativeDAVID:We await your response to the specific post re:DM/SIN Was it not you who made the christology/sin along with the ideaological/pragmatic distinction?DAVID:It may be that not unlike the cast in 'Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room' that though your Greek grammar, logic, vocabulary aand your grooming (?) are impeccable, IFF you, along with the rest of humanity, ACTUALLY DO SIN IN THOUGHT/WORD/DEED DAILY then, you are simply wrong for the 'right' reasons. Don't be affeared David, y'all wouldn't be the first to have so thoroughly 'missed the mark'.(theologically) Thank the Lord David, provision has been made for su
ch as you.We promise not to make up signs reading 'BEWARE! DAVID MILLER, A (redeemed) SINNER (past, present and, future) ONE WHO STANDS ON EQUALSINFUL FOOTING WITH QUEERS RESIDES AT THIS HOME'From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: February 18, 2006 20:32Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present IndicativeYou are still sticking with your bias of how you have been taught to readthe present tense. Don't you notice how you keep retranslating the wordsinto an ing form that accepted translators do not use in their translations(KJV, NASB, etc.)? I don't care about the translations. It (ing) is a way of bring out the linear action of the verb and it is the accepted manner of doing so in all the grammars I have seen. What do you think I was presenting to you when I gave sources complete with page reference? They all use the "ing" and for the same reason I use that ending. Are you suggesting that Robertson's comm
ents (as you understand them) trumps all of these grammictal illustration? That the first year boys simply did not get it right -- all of them? But more than that -- you do not think that "walk in the light" is an ONGOING activity? Or that as long as I deny sin ()whatever that means) I will CONTINUE to be considered a liar. You don't see that? And, are you saying that present indicative actives never mean to imply linear action?jd--"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.orgIf you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.


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Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/20/2006 12:51:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often the case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two quite different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know that I don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. What I do have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with the presence of the absence of holiness.
cd: Actually those that are saved and return to sin(ie.Apostate) will have harder hell the those who have never known Christ/H. Spirit.For to whom much is giving must is expected. How important is it to know this esp. if one doesn't hold sin in a high regard?
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness


Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should buy and stockhis book Lance...


Reflections on Holiness 
The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the state of faith in America, caused the surveys director, George Barna, to suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church and read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged in its pursuit. The challenge to the nations Christian ministries is to foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love God but who are ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness. 

From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' in 2 parts:

1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak as believer to believer.

2.Achieve? It all depends upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this whole conversation.

thanks for your input,

Lance

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative


Lance the following may be ofhelp you because this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He believes it is possible.
You do not judyt

The Barna Update: February 20, 2006Be holy because I am holy are Gods words to His people. Buthow many Christians believe that God has called them to be holy or that achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our newest survey examines Americans views ofholiness and reflects on the implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below or visit our website atwww.barna.org.

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm sure that  you've  not failed to note my own 'cranial density' on more than a few  occasions. I  trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to  obtain  scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the  sinless  ones' in order that I may move on to other things.  Those who do not sin = believers? Those who sin = non-believers?  It was your employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my  attention,  David.   - Original Message -  From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 20, 2006 1
0:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present IndicativeLance wrote:  David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that  might exist between:  1. Those who are born of God do not sin.   2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to sin.   I'm not sure what you are looking for here, Lance. The  distinction seems  rather obvious. Those born of God do not sin while those addicted  to sin  do. There is a commonality between the two people: they both  have a   flesh  which is a source of temptation. The difference is that one  follows the  Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of love, while the other  continues   to  yield to his carnal desires.   Lance wrote:  David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'   All the commandments are summed up in the commandments to love God  and   love  your neighbor. There are many other commandments also, but they  are   summed  up in these two.   Some passages for your consideration, illustrating some details  about

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness