Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet?
squwaaak :-) On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 23:09:59 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || (Frankly, I dont think a false prophet is worth a nickel.) Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet?
The man who said it is a prophet, isn't he? I guess I haven't read them as many times as I thought. :-) -- slade - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 30 March, 2003 15:53 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet? Martin Said: This person has never read the Bible concerning the prophets of old. Hey Slade. Is this statement true? Have you ever read the Bible concerning the prophets of old? Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet?
Slade, I sent your description of a prophet to a prophet and here is what he said about it. I have his permission to forward this to TT. Since I know this prophet a little, I would think your description must have been OK more or less. He wouldn't hesitate to let us all have it. LOL - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Fwd: [TruthTalk] Definition of "Prophet?" What do you think of this description, Martin? Martin: This person seems to have a "textbook" knowledge of prophets, and seems to me to not have been around many true prophets. They wrote: It's been my experience that those who are "prophets" have a tendency to be unaware of their gift (or extremely humble). This is her experience. Most prophets that I know, God makes that well aware of their call into this office, and begins that training through the "college of hard knocks". This person has never read the Bible concerning the prophets of old. Were they walking around very quiet like "church mice", very humble? They were men and women of intestinal fortitude (guts) who knew that if they didn't developed thick skin and their authoritative leadership skills, NO ONE would listen to them. They were humble, yet POWERFUL. They quietly or privately give a word or passage here and there that perfectly fits a person's need (for comfort or correction) at that time. Prophets work on individual and corporate levels. Our call is to the "church." The Lord sets the "tone" of how He wants the Word given. Sometimes it may be quiet, while others times He may want it given in a raised voice. Prophets are people that love God and His Church. When we see people drifting off into sin, we jump up and sound the alarm to them or the church, regardless of how the person or the church wants to receive it. When the word is for correction, it tends to be ill-received and the prophet is called names, ridiculed, or sternly rebuked... and the "prophet" has no idea why. Only a very immature prophet would give and Word and "not know why" they were being rejected. All true mature prophets give their Word from the Lord with the full knowledge that most people DO NOT want anyone to tell them what to do, even God. We "expect" it and us to be rejected. Those who like to display their "prophetic gift" like a peacock are compelled by their flesh and are not prophets at all. YHVH has used them in spite of themselves. Would I be so bold as to say these self-proclaimed prophets are false prophets? Again, true prophets can get over into pride and still function accurately in the prophetic. Just because they act prideful, does not mean that they are the "real deal." ---BeginMessage--- Glenn: This person seem to have a "textbook" knowledge of prophets, and seems to me to not have been around many trueprophets. They wrote: It's been my experience that those who are "prophets" have a tendency to be unaware of their gift (or extremely humble). This is her experience. Most prophets that I know, God makes that well aware of their call into this office, and begins that training through the "college of hard knocks". This person has never read the Bible concerning the prophets of old. Were they walking around very quiet like "church mice", very humble? They were men and women of intestinal fortitude (guts) who knew that if they didn't developed thick skin and their authoritative leadership skills, NO ONE would listen to them. They were humble, yet POWERFUL. They quietly or privately give a word or passage here and there that perfectly fits a person's need (for comfort or correction) at that time. Prophets work on individual and corporate levels. Our call is to the "church." The Lord sets the "tone" of how He wants the Word given. Sometimes it may be quiet, while others times He may want it given in a raised voice. Prophets are people that love God and His Church. When we see people drifting off into sin, we jump up and sound the alarm to them or the church, regardless of how the person or the church wants to receive it. When the word is for correction, it tends to be ill-received and the prophet is called names, ridiculed, or sternly rebuked... and the "prophet" has no idea why. Only a very immature prophet would give and Word and "not know why" they were being rejected. All true mature prophets give their Word from the Lord with the full knowledge that most people DO NOT want anyone to tell them what to do, even God. We "expect" it and us to be rejected. Those who like to display their "prophetic gift" like a peacock are compelled by their flesh and are not prophets at all. YHVH has used them in spite of themselves. W
Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet?
Keeping humble in your spiritual gifts is a must, otherwise we run into the problem of receiving the glory ourselves instead of allowing YHVH to bathe in the limelight. At the other extreme are the ones you mentioned, Izzy... the ones who cannot"admit ones gifts openly[and] ... put[s] them under a bushel."Well... said, Izzy!! In reference to "the difference between a Prophetic gift and a gift of Encouragement," I encourage you to refer to Romans 12:8 and Corinthians 1:14:3. (Oops, on my proof-read, I just noticed a pun not originallyintended!) By the way, a hearty THANK YOU MARLIN for introducing me to the http://www.e-sword.netfreeware program. I think I like it better than QuickVerse. The more I use it the better I like it. I think I'd like to see how to use the STEP thing or the make-your-own-commentary option to enter all my [relevent] notes and Torah commentaries over the years. -- slade - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2003 18:08 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Definition of "Prophet?" Thanks, Slade. One point Id like to clarify is that it takes more humility to admit ones gifts openly than it does to put them under a bushel. If you admit to your gifts you are inviting immediate criticism from those so inclined. It takes maturity to be willing to honor God by admitting to the gifts He has given you, and be willing to accept the cynicism/flak. There was a time that I was too humble to accept compliments for my capabilities in various areas, but now I have learned to just say, Thank You, its a gift the Lord has blessed me with. What do you see as the difference between a Prophetic gift and a gift of Encouragement? Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:09 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] Definition of "Prophet?" The Bible uses five key words that are often translated as prophet: Hebrew: Roeh -- seer Chozeh -- seer Navi, Neviah--one called to speak [on behalf of God] Aramaic: Nevi -- one called to speak [for God] Greek: prophetes -- -one who speaks before [God],one whospeaks for [God] pneumatikos --spiritual ones Prophets are not supposed to be crystal balls that we can look into to see which step we should take at what time, or to determine which lottery number to buy. Instead, the Neviim are to instruct and encourage a right way of living before YHVH and they often (not always) describe the curse associated with a continued bad behavior. Generally, prophets use "If-then" statements in their prophesies (although I know dozens of examples contrary exist). We as Human Beans :-) tend to concentrate on the"THEN" part of their prophesies, whichgive them the reputation for being portals to the mysterious future. HOWEVER, we need to be concentrating on the "IF" part of their statements so the "then" will NOT come to pass. Most importantly, Revelation 19:9-10 says: Then he said to me, "Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'" And he said to me, "These are true words of God."Then I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Yeshua; worship God. For the testimony of Yeshua is the Spirit of Prophecy." It's been my experience that those who are "prophets" have a tendency to be unaware of their gift (or extremely humble). They quietly or privately give a word or passage here and there that perfectly fits a person's need (for comfort or correction) at that time. When the word is for correction, it tends to be ill-received and the prophet is called names, ridiculed, or sternly rebuked... and the "prophet" has no idea why. Those who like to display their "prophetic gift" like a peacock are compelled by their flesh and are not prophets at all. YHVH has used them in spite of themselves. Would I be so bold as to say these self-proclaimed prophets are false prophets? What do you think, Glenn? -- slade - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2003 08:29 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Post Bible Revelation Slade, Would you define the word prophet for us? Do you think it is someone who prophecies the future, necessarily? Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet?
Martin Said:
This person has never read the Bible
concerning the prophets of old.
This is the first time I've been insulted in
this manner. Usually, I have people like Glenn insult me and tell me I've
twisted Scripture... but they never say I haven't read Scripture.
Interesting. Send my regards to the prophet and tell him "Thank
you."
-- slade
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From:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Definition of
"Prophet?"
Slade,
I sent your description of a prophet to a prophet and here is what he said
about it. I have his permission to forward this to TT. Since I know this
prophet a little, I would think your description must have been OK more or
less. He wouldn't hesitate to let us all have it.
LOL
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:50
PMSubject: Fwd: [TruthTalk] Definition of
"Prophet?"What do you think of
this description, Martin?
Martin: This person seems to have a "textbook" knowledge of
prophets, and seems to me to not have been around many true prophets.
They wrote:It's been my experience that those who are "prophets"
have a tendency to be unaware of their gift (or extremely
humble).This is her experience. Most prophets that I know, God
makes that well aware of their call into this office, and begins that
training through the "college of hard knocks". This person has never read
the Bible concerning the prophets of old. Were they walking around very
quiet like "church mice", very humble? They were men and women of intestinal
fortitude (guts) who knew that if they didn't developed thick skin and their
authoritative leadership skills, NO ONE would listen to them. They
were humble, yet POWERFUL.They quietly or privately give a word or passage here
and there that perfectly fits a person's need (for comfort or correction) at
that time. Prophets work on individual and corporate levels. Our
call is to the "church." The Lord sets the "tone" of how He wants the Word
given. Sometimes it may be quiet, while others times He may want it given in
a raised voice. Prophets are people that love God and His Church. When we
see people drifting off into sin, we jump up and sound the alarm to them or
the church, regardless of how the person or the church wants to receive
it.When the word is for correction, it tends to be
ill-received and the prophet is called names, ridiculed, or sternly
rebuked... and the "prophet" has no idea why.Only a very immature prophet would give and Word and
"not know why" they were being rejected. All true mature prophets give their
Word from the Lord with the full knowledge that most people DO NOT want
anyone to tell them what to do, even God. We "expect" it and us to be
rejected.Those who like to display their "prophetic gift" like
a peacock are compelled by their flesh and are not prophets at all. YHVH has
used them in spite of themselves. Would I be so bold as to say these
self-proclaimed prophets are false prophets?Again, true prophets can get over into pride and still
function accurately in the prophetic. Just because they act prideful, does
not mean that they are the "real deal."
Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet?
I wouldn't take it as in insult. If you know the prophet, he was really nice to your prophet post. I wouldn't have sent it to you, if I thought you would be insulted. Sorry. Martin Said: This person has never read the Bible concerning the prophets of old. This is the first time I've been insulted in this manner. Usually, I have people like Glenn insult me and tell me I've twisted Scripture... but they never say I haven't read Scripture. Interesting. Send my regards to the prophet and tell him "Thank you." -- slade
Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet?
Don't feel badly Slade. I've never been around a real prophet either, though I know some that fakeit for profit. Terry ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 29, 2003 18:35:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of "Prophet?" Martin Said: This person has never read the Bible concerning the prophets of old. This is the first time I've been insulted in this manner. Usually, I have people like Glenn insult me and tell me I've twisted Scripture... but they never say I haven't read Scripture. Interesting. Send my regards to the prophet and tell him "Thank you." -- slade - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 29 March, 2003 07:18 Subject: [TruthTalk] Definition of "Prophet?" Slade, I sent your description of a prophet to a prophet and here is what he said about it. I have his permission to forward this to TT. Since I know this prophet a little, I would think your description must have been OK more or less. He wouldn't hesitate to let us all have it. LOL - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:50 PMSubject: Fwd: [TruthTalk] Definition of "Prophet?"What do you think of this description, Martin? Martin: This person seems to have a "textbook" knowledge of prophets, and seems to me to not have been around many true prophets. They wrote:It's been my experience that those who are "prophets" have a tendency to be unaware of their gift (or extremely humble).This is her experience. Most prophets that I know, God makes that well aware of their call into this office, and begins that training through the "college of hard knocks". This person has never read the Bible concerning the prophets of old. Were they walking around very quiet like "church mice", very humble? They were men and women of intestinal fortitude (guts) who knew that if they didn't developed thick skin and their authoritative leadership skills, NO ONE would listen to them. They were humble, yet POWERFUL.They quietly or privately give a word or passage here and there that perfectly fits a person's need (for comfort or correction) at that time. Prophets work on individual and corporate levels. Our call is to the "church." The Lord sets the "tone" of how He wants the Word given. Sometimes it may be quiet, while others times He may want it given in a raised voice. Prophets are people that love God and His Church. When we see people drifting off into sin, we jump up and sound the alarm to them or the church, regardless of how the person or the church wants to receive it.When the word is for correction, it tends to be ill-received and the prophet is called names, ridiculed, or sternly rebuked... and the "prophet" has no idea why.Only a very immature prophet would give and Word and "not know why" they were being rejected. All true mature prophets give their Word from the Lord with the full knowledge that most people DO NOT want anyone to tell them what to do, even God. We "expect" it and us to be rejected.Those who like to display their "prophetic gift" like a peacock are compelled by their flesh and are not prophets at all. YHVH has used them in spite of themselves. Would I be so bold as to say these self-proclaimed prophets are false prophets?Again, true prophets can get over into pride and still function accurately in the prophetic. Just because they act prideful, does not mean that they are the "real deal." IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[TruthTalk] Definition of Prophet?
The Bible uses five key words that are often translated as prophet: Hebrew: Roeh -- seer Chozeh -- seer Navi, Neviah--one called to speak [on behalf of God] Aramaic: Nevi -- one called to speak [for God] Greek: prophetes -- -one who speaks before [God],one whospeaks for [God] pneumatikos --spiritual ones Prophets are not supposed to be crystal balls that we can look into to see which step we should take at what time, or to determine which lottery number to buy. Instead, the Neviim are to instruct and encourage a right way of living before YHVH and they often (not always) describe the curse associated with a continued bad behavior. Generally, prophets use "If-then" statements in their prophesies (although I know dozens of examples contrary exist). We as Human Beans :-) tend to concentrate on the"THEN" part of their prophesies, whichgive them the reputation for being portals to the mysterious future. HOWEVER, we need to be concentrating on the "IF" part of their statements so the "then" will NOT come to pass. Most importantly, Revelation 19:9-10 says: Then he said to me, "Write, 'Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.'" And he said to me, "These are true words of God."Then I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Yeshua; worship God. For the testimony of Yeshua is the Spirit of Prophecy." It's been my experience that those who are "prophets" have a tendency to be unaware of their gift (or extremely humble). They quietly or privately give a word or passage here and there that perfectly fits a person's need (for comfort or correction) at that time. When the word is for correction, it tends to be ill-received and the prophet is called names, ridiculed, or sternly rebuked... and the "prophet" has no idea why. Those who like to display their "prophetic gift" like a peacock are compelled by their flesh and are not prophets at all. YHVH has used them in spite of themselves. Would I be so bold as to say these self-proclaimed prophets are false prophets? What do you think, Glenn? -- slade - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2003 08:29 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Post Bible Revelation Slade, Would you define the word prophet for us? Do you think it is someone who prophecies the future, necessarily? Izzy
