subject:"\[TruthTalk\] God female\?"




WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not expire after 
Moses penned the
Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the Bible. Father 
in Hebrew means Father
and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using 
  your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text 
  and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the 
  Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 

  
  That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You need a 
  lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 
  
  jd (or maybe it is Lance)
  
  
  
  
  
  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Cc: D
  Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God 
  female?
  
  The culture gave us the language of a masculine 
  God, David. I am surprised you made the same 
  intellectual mistake as Dean. 
  
  jd
  cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book 
  had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying 
  Lance.
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: "David Miller" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that 
your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity 
to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position. 
  David Miller.   - Original Message 
-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: 
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me 
John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is 
a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, 
Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  
ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further 
explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde rstand 
what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to 
understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I 
have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same 
planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See 
ya,   jd- Original 
Message -  From:  To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  
Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female? 
   Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.  
 There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a 
sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard 
of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a 
person, we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of 
the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the matter 
is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27. .. 
you'll reco g ni ze that reference because it is the  one you 
and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most)  
revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot 
be  both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the 
image of God,  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do 
the gender.   jd  cd: This makes no sense at all 
to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide 
he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?  Gen 1:27 So 
God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he 
 him; male and female created he them.  First this 
passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on  
to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me 
 statements here-unless one believe there is no difference 
between males and  females. He is the mescaline. I realize you 
cannot understand this but maybe  others can John.The below says 
that man wa s cre ated in the image of God  ,"BUT" women was is 
the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.  1Co 11:7 For a 
man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is  the 
image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.  
cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has 
a  masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine 
body.  Masculine  M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from 
masculus, mas.]  1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; 
robust; as a masculine body.  2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed 
to delicate or soft; as

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-09 Thread Dean Moore




cd: Great point Judy.




- Original Message - 
From: Judith H Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not expire after Moses penned the
Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying Lance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position.   David Miller.   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde
 rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See ya,   jd- Original Message -  From:  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27. ... you'll rec
o g ni ze that reference because it is the  one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most)  revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be  both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God,  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.   jd  cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?  Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he  him; male and female created he them.  First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on  to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me  statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and  females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe  others can John..The below says that man 
wa s cre ated in the image of God  ,"BUT" women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.  1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is  the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.  cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a  masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.  Masculine  M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]  1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.  2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine  features.  3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.  4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male,  or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males,  though not always expressing the male sex. -- Original message -
-  BR ; From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?  1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised h

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?


What does pistis mean?
-- Original message -- From: Judith H Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not expire after Moses penned the
Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying Lance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position.   David Miller.   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde
 rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See ya,   jd- Original Message -  From:  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27. ... you'll rec
o g ni ze that reference because it is the  one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most)  revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be  both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God,  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.   jd  cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?  Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he  him; male and female created he them.  First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on  to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me  statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and  females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe  others can John..The below says that man 
wa s cre ated in the image of God  ,"BUT" women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.  1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is  the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.  cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a  masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.  Masculine  M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]  1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.  2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine  features.  3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.  4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male,  or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males,  though not always expressing the male sex. -- Original message -
-  BR ; From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?  1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went,  and two men with him

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?


I thought Dean was saying that all men are born equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid than others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to comprehend the deeper things of life.  God loves them all, of course, but that does not make then "equal." 

jd



- Original Message - 
From: Judith H Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not expire after Moses penned the
Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying Lance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position.   David Miller.   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde
 rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See ya,   jd- Original Message -  From:  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27.  you'll re
c o g ni ze that reference because it is the  one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most)  revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be  both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God,  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.   jd  cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?  Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he  him; male and female created he them.  First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on  to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me  statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and  females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe  others can John..The below says that m
an wa s cre ated in the image of God  ,"BUT" women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.  1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is  the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.  cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a  masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.  Masculine  M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas..]  1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.  2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine  features.  3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.  4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male,  or something analogous to

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?




Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to choose 
who they will serve.
along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in deceit and 
darkness... judyt
What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:01:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I thought Dean was saying that all men are born 
  equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid than 
  others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to comprehend 
  the deeper things of life.  God loves them all, of course, but 
  that does not make then "equal." 
  
  jd
  
  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judith 
  H Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God 
  female?
  
  WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not expire 
  after Moses penned the
  Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the Bible. 
  Father in Hebrew means Father
  and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 
  
  On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! 
Using your example below, do you know the difference between the 
Hebrew text and the English translation of that text? God 
"inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of 
that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You 
need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)






  
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 

    Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God 
female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine 
God, David. I am surprised you made the same 
intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five 
book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are 
saying Lance.

-- 
  Original message -- From: "David Miller" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood 
  that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed 
  masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your 
   position.   David Miller.  
   - Original Message -  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 
  2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female? 
cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The 
  culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a 
  women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good 
  move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming 
   ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in 
  further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not 
  unde rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it 
  that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  
  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we 
  are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my 
  superior.   See ya,   jd  
- Original Message -  From: 
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: 
  Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: 
      Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on 
  ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with 
  God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  
  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural 
  demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, 
  we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of 
  the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the 
  matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27. 
   you'll re c o g ni ze that reference because 
  it is the  one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have 
  a clear (to most)  revelation concerning a small aspect of 
  "God's image." Since one cannot be  both "male and 
  female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God,  
  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender. 
jd  cd: This make

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-09 Thread Dave Hansen





Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to choose
who they will serve

DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me jumping into your exchange with JD,
Judy. Do you have any Biblical evidence to support your above theory?
If not, then can you explain how.

1) A Chinese person born 2,000 years ago would have had the same equal
opportunity to choose  as did somebody born in Jerusalem at the
same time?

2) Or, a Chinese person born 100 years ago would have had the same equal
opportunity to choose as somebody born in the Bible Belt?

3) Or a person born in China who was born 100 years before Jesus had
the same equal opportunity to choose  as one who lived in
Jerusalem at the time of Christ?

 IOW.How as a Christian well rooted and having the knowledge of
Christ readily available from the time you were born, and perhaps
relatives to guide your in your walk in his footsteps, do you think the
above mentioned examples of the Chinese guy born in a non-Christian
society really do have equal opportunity to choose who they will
serve? To me it seems there is a definite inequality in the
circumstances in which people are born, and in having an equal
opportunity to choose who they will serve to even hear Jesus'
name, let alone accept him as their Savior, or choose to follow and
serve him when they do not have the opportunity to hear the gospel.

 I can see where you might think Jesus would accept all men equally,
but to say that all men are born into the world with equal opportunity
seems a bit of a stretch. Is it theory, or is it Biblical doctrine?

Judith H Taylor wrote:

  
  
  Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to
choose who they will serve.
  along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in
deceit and darkness... judyt
  What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt
  
  On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:01:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
I thought Dean was saying that all men are born
equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid than
others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to comprehend
the deeper things of life.  God loves them all, of course, but that
does not make then "equal." 

jd


  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Judith H Taylor 
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] God female?



WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did
not expire after Moses penned the
Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the
Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using
your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text
and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew
text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 
  
  That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You
need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 
  
  jd (or maybe it is Lance)
  
  
  
  
  
  

  -
Original Message - 
  From:
  
  To:
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Cc:
  D
  Sent:
2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
  Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] God female?
  
  
  
  The culture gave us the language of
a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same
intellectual mistake as Dean. 
  
  jd
  cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the
first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what
you are saying Lance.
  
  --
Original message -- 
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish
CULTURE 
 attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response
to your 
 position. 
 
 David Miller. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female? 
 
 cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what
God 
 is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a
calf? 
 
 Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented
claiming 
 ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further
explanation 
 in view of the fact that you did not unde rstand what I wrote in
the first 
 place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message
but 
 cannot unders

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?




Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.
Abraham lived in Ur of the Chaldees which was every bit as pagan as China, 
they worshipped the moon goddess Nana there
God's Word tells us that we can know by the "creation" around us that there 
is a God. The decision to seek and/or trust rests
with us. I happen to believe that God's call was to all ppl in all 
generations. Abraham responded.
I expect to hear some balking from the Calvinists but this is the 
understanding given to me judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:54:33 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to 
  choose who they will serveDAVEH: I hope you don't mind me 
  jumping into your exchange with JD, Judy. Do you have any Biblical 
  evidence to support your above theory? If not, then can you explain 
  how.1) A Chinese person born 2,000 years ago would have had 
  the same equal opportunity to choose as did somebody born in Jerusalem 
  at the same time?2) Or, a Chinese person born 100 years ago 
  would have had the same equal opportunity to choose as somebody born in 
  the Bible Belt?3) Or a person born in China who was born 100 
  years before Jesus had the same equal opportunity to choose as one who 
  lived in Jerusalem at the time of Christ? 
  IOW.How as a Christian well rooted and having the knowledge of Christ 
  readily available from the time you were born, and perhaps relatives to guide 
  your in your walk in his footsteps, do you think the above mentioned examples 
  of the Chinese guy born in a non-Christian society really do have equal 
  opportunity to choose who they will serve? To me it seems there is a 
  definite inequality in the circumstances in which people are born, and in 
  having an equal opportunity to choose who they will serve to even hear 
  Jesus' name, let alone accept him as their Savior, or choose to follow and 
  serve him when they do not have the opportunity to hear the 
  gospel. I can see where you might think Jesus would 
  accept all men equally, but to say that all men are born into the world with 
  equal opportunity seems a bit of a stretch. Is it theory, or is it 
  Biblical doctrine?Judith H Taylor wrote: 
  
Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to 
choose who they will serve.
along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in deceit 
and darkness... judyt
What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:01:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I thought Dean was saying that all men are born 
  equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid 
  than others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to 
  comprehend the deeper things of life.  God loves them all, of 
  course, but that does not make then "equal." 
  
  jd
  
  

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judith H Taylor 
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 
  2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
  Subject: 
      Re: [TruthTalk] God female?
  
  WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not 
  expire after Moses penned the
  Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the 
  Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
  and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 
  
  
  On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Once again, this time it is John, not Lance 
!! Using your example below, do you know the 
difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of 
that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, 
not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. 
You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)






  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: 
D
Sent: 
2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: 
        Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a 
masculine God, David. I am surprised you made 
the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first 
five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?


I.Q., culture, social statis, educational opportunities, geneaologies, ethnicity, religion and the child's government.
After birth, all of the above plus life's experiences. 

jd

If God's love is not big enough to take all that into consideration when He jusges for the intentions of the heart, that God is too small.

jd



-- Original message -- From: Judith H Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to choose who they will serve.
along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in deceit and darkness... judyt
What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:01:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I thought Dean was saying that all men are born equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid than others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to comprehend the deeper things of life.  God loves them all, of course, but that does not make then "equal." 

jd



- Original Message - 
From: Judith H Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not expire after Moses penned the
Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying Lance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position.   David Miller.   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde
 rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See ya,   jd- Original Message -  From:  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27. . you'll r
e c o g ni ze that reference because it is the  one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most)  revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be  both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God,  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.   jd  cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?  Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he  him; male and female created he them.  First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on  to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me  statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and  females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe  others can John..The below says that
 m an wa s cre ated in the image of God  ,"BUT" women was is the glor

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?




God is no respecter of any man's person - and we are all given the same 
opportunity - Paul made
the right choice and counted all you list below "dung" compared to the 
knowledge of Christ. PS:
God's love is one one side of the scale with his justice on the other. One 
is incomplete/partial without
the other. Eve being deceived had the best of intentions; her heart 
was deceived and God does not
change. Lesson 1. Those who fell in the wilderness because they 
presumed upon God's grace... judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:04:35 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I.Q., culture, social statis, educational opportunities, 
  geneaologies, ethnicity, religion and the child's government.
  After birth, all of the above plus life's experiences. 
  
  jd
  
  If God's love is not big enough to take all that into consideration when 
  He jusges for the intentions of the heart, that God is too small.
  
  jd
  
  
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judith H Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to 
choose who they will serve.
along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in deceit 
and darkness... judyt
What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:01:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I thought Dean was saying that all men are born 
  equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid 
  than others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to 
  comprehend the deeper things of life.  God loves them all, of 
  course, but that does not make then "equal." 
  
  jd
  
  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judith H Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God 
  female?
  
  WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not 
  expire after Moses penned the
  Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the 
  Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
  and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 
  
  
  On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Once again, this time it is John, not Lance 
!! Using your example below, do you know the 
difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of 
that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, 
not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. 
You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)






  
- Original Message - 

From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 

    Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 
God female?

The culture gave us the language of a 
masculine God, David. I am surprised you made 
the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first 
five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what 
you are saying Lance.

-- 
  Original message -- From: "David Miller" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly 
  understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE 
   attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most 
  excellent response to your  position.  
   David Miller.   - Original 
  Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
   Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  
          Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: 
  This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what 
  God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if 
  they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean 
  !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  
  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further 
  explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde 
  rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it 
  that you cliam to understand the biblical message but

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?


Like I said : 
I.Q., culture, social statis, educational opportunities, geneaologies, ethnicity, religion and the child's government.
After birth, all of the above plus life's experiences. 

If God's love is not big enough to take all that into consideration when He jusges for the intentions of the heart, that God is too small.

We will never agree, Judy. You are a work's salvationist in addition to the cultish orientation of your thought process. I have made my point. You have done whatever it is that you just did. That's pretty much it. 
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judith H Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

God is no respecter of any man's person - and we are all given the same opportunity - Paul made
the right choice and counted all you list below "dung" compared to the knowledge of Christ. PS:
God's love is one one side of the scale with his justice on the other. One is incomplete/partial without
the other. Eve being deceived had the best of intentions; her heart was deceived and God does not
change. Lesson 1. Those who fell in the wilderness because they presumed upon God's grace... judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:04:35 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I.Q., culture, social statis, educational opportunities, geneaologies, ethnicity, religion and the child's government.
After birth, all of the above plus life's experiences. 

jd

If God's love is not big enough to take all that into consideration when He jusges for the intentions of the heart, that God is too small.

jd



-- Original message -- From: Judith H Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to choose who they will serve.
along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in deceit and darkness... judyt
What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:01:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I thought Dean was saying that all men are born equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid than others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to comprehend the deeper things of life.  God loves them all, of course, but that does not make then "equal." 

jd



- Original Message - 
From: Judith H Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did not expire after Moses penned the
Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
and guess what? Father in Greek also means Father. 

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying Lance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position.   David Miller.   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde
 rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See ya,   jd- Original Message -  From:  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either  maculi

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-09 Thread Dean Moore









- Original Message - 
From: Dave Hansen 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/9/2006 9:55:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to choose who they will serveDAVEH: I hope you don't mind me jumping into your exchange with JD, Judy. Do you have any Biblical evidence to support your above theory? If not, then can you explain how.

cd: DavH, pardon my interruption,but I have asked Judy if I could answer these questions-and Judy, being the kind heartedsaint that she is, has graciously allowed me to do so:-) If my answers are unsatisfactory,or anyone feels something should be added-then you are at liberty to discuss the issue further.See answer below.1) A Chinese person born 2,000 years ago would have had the same equal opportunity to choose as did somebody born in Jerusalem at the same time?2) Or, a Chinese person born 100 years ago would have had the same equal opportunity to choose as somebody born in the Bible Belt?3) Or a person born in China who was born 100 years before Jesus had the same equal opportunity to choose as one who lived in Jerusalem at the time of Christ? IOW.How as a Christian well rooted and having the knowledge of Christ readily available from the time you were born, and per
haps relatives to guide your in your walk in his footsteps, do you think the above mentioned examples of the Chinese guy born in a non-Christian society really do have equal opportunity to choose who they will serve? To me it seems there is a definite inequality in the circumstances in which people are born, and in having an equal opportunity to choose who they will serve to even hear Jesus' name, let alone accept him as their Savior, or choose to follow and serve him when they do not have the opportunity to hear the gospel. I can see where you might think Jesus would accept all men equally, but to say that all men are born into the world with equal opportunity seems a bit of a stretch. Is it theory, or is it Biblical doctrine?

cd: I see all the above questions as one and the same question DavH. Do people from different times, places ,and cultures have the same equal opportunity with God and salvation,-even if they have never been taught of Jesus Christ-as those who have been exposed to God's word? I hope this is a fair assessment?
The only wayI know to answer this question is to: (1) Showhow God gives all men an equal chance at obtaining heaven,and (2) Show how God and Him alone decides whom to to invite to heaven.
(1) God gives all men the equal chance at obtaining salvation by writing His laws into the hearts of all men.All know good and evil-rightor wrong. It is not the knowing of Christ that condemns one.Itis sin that brought corruption and condemned us already John 3:18. Receiving Christ removed the condemnation that sin placed there.All men have the equalopportunity to not sin.or to sin. Hence all men are equal.The passage of"choose you this say whom you will serve" is saying: Will you be good this day and serve God or will you do evil (sin) this day and serve Satan. Regardless what the dancing Calvinist say one cannot do both and live.
(2) All man are not equal in that God decides whom to call (invite)to salvation.Menhave removed themselves so far from God as they can not find their way back to Him on their own.This is called total depravity. The wall of sin is too great for us to breach alone. Is this fair of God to call some and allow others to go onward into hell? Yes as God will give mercy to whom He will.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
May advice is not to boast by saying I already have a paid ticket to heaven-so if I sin I have nothing to fear-because God had mercy on our poor ,miserable souls and He could leave us as He did the other children whom thought they also had it made because they were son's of Abraham and believed that God owed then something too.


Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 
Hope this answer you question DavH. As this is my belief.
--
Judith H Taylor wrote: 


Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to choose who they will serve.
along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in deceit and darkness... judyt
What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?




You are probably right that we will never agree JD but not for the reasons 
you give. I am no "works"
salvationist. I believe we are "saved by faith" but that "professed faith 
aside from corresponding actions"
is as dead as a doornail. Nor do my thought processes have any kind 
of cultish orientation. My belief is
in having one's mind renewed by the Word of God. Strange that you 
would find this "cultish" Just shows
how "far out" once can get following traditions and doctrines of men 


On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:07:48 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Like I said : 
  I.Q., culture, social statis, educational opportunities, 
  geneaologies, ethnicity, religion and the child's government.
  After birth, all of the above plus life's experiences. 
  
  If God's love is not big enough to take all that into consideration when 
  He jusges for the intentions of the heart, that God is too 
  small.
  
  We will never agree, Judy. You are a work's salvationist in 
  addition to the cultish orientation of your thought process. I have made 
  my point. You have done whatever it is that you just did. That's 
  pretty much it. 
  jd
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judith H Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

God is no respecter of any man's person - and we are all given the same 
opportunity - Paul made
the right choice and counted all you list below "dung" compared to the 
knowledge of Christ. PS:
God's love is one one side of the scale with his justice on the other. 
One is incomplete/partial without
the other. Eve being deceived had the best of intentions; her 
heart was deceived and God does not
change. Lesson 1. Those who fell in the wilderness because 
they presumed upon God's grace... judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:04:35 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I.Q., culture, social statis, educational opportunities, 
  geneaologies, ethnicity, religion and the child's government.
  After birth, all of the above plus life's experiences. 
  
  jd
  
  If God's love is not big enough to take all that into consideration 
  when He jusges for the intentions of the heart, that God is too 
  small.
  
  jd
  
  
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: Judith H Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity to 
choose who they will serve.
along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or in 
deceit and darkness... judyt
What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:01:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I thought Dean was saying that all men are born 
  equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more 
  stupid than others, growing up without understanding nor the 
  ability to comprehend the deeper things of life.  God 
  loves them all, of course, but that does not make then "equal." 
  
  jd
  
  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judith H Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: 2/9/2006 4:21:06 AM 
      
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God 
  female?
  
  WRONG!!! JDS - God inspired all of it; the Holy Spirit did 
  not expire after Moses penned the
  Pentateuch and God is a FATHER all the way through the 
  Bible. Father in Hebrew means Father
  and guess what? Father in Greek also means 
  Father. 
  
  On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:43:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
Once again, this time it is John, not Lance 
!! Using your example below, do you know the 
difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation 
of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, 
Dean, not the English translation of that text. 


That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am 
saying. You need a lexicon , NOT A 
DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)






  
- Original Message - 

From: 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 
        PM 
Subject: Re: 
[Tru

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-09 Thread David Miller

Dean wrote:
 If my answers are unsatisfactory, or anyone feels
 something should be added- then you are at liberty
 to discuss the issue further.

On the subject of God extending mercy, I often wonder why God chose to 
reveal himself to me.  There is little doubt in my mind that God has 
revealed himself to me in ways that has not been afforded other people. 
Why?

Paul was knocked off his horse with a bright shining light and a voice from 
heaven.  Why?  How many people have had experiences like this?  Surely this 
had much to do with his turning in faith to Jesus Christ and receiving God's 
mercy.  Why does Paul get an experience like this while others do not?  This 
is not an easy question.  Does such happen in order to make things equal, or 
does God simply have his own reasons and equality is not necessarily part of 
his consideration?

David Miller. 

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Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-09 Thread Dean Moore

 [Original Message]
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Date: 2/9/2006 3:23:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

 Dean wrote:
  If my answers are unsatisfactory, or anyone feels
  something should be added- then you are at liberty
  to discuss the issue further.

 On the subject of God extending mercy, I often wonder why God chose to 
 reveal himself to me.  There is little doubt in my mind that God has 
 revealed himself to me in ways that has not been afforded other people. 
 Why?
--
I  cd:  I can tell you why he did and why he did not. He revealed himself
to you for a good work for His glory and not because of any good in you.

 Paul was knocked off his horse with a bright shining light and a voice
from 
 heaven.  Why?  How many people have had experiences like this?  Surely
this 
 had much to do with his turning in faith to Jesus Christ and receiving
God's 
 mercy.  Why does Paul get an experience like this while others do not? 
This 
 is not an easy question.  Does such happen in order to make things equal,
or 
 does God simply have his own reasons and equality is not necessarily part
of 
 his consideration?
-
cd: While I believe God reveals Himself to people in many ways-I suspect
his way with Paul was due to a sure sign for others to believe He sent Paul
as for Paul acceptance for a good work. This is not to say He doesn't
provide miracles today. He does- I have seen miracles.

 David Miller. 

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know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-09 Thread Dave Hansen





I happen to believe that God's call was to all ppl in all
generations.


DAVEH:  The examples you mentioned below were obviously to people to
whom the
Lord sent messengers to preach. I find it a bit hard to think the
Chinese were afforded the same opportunity. Do you believe that God
sent prophets to preach the gospel to the Chinese a thousand years ago,
Judy? Do you really believe that all people born in the world in times
past were aware of Jesus, and had the opportunity to believe in him,
and have faith in himand to hear the gospel message? 

 


Judith H Taylor wrote:

  
  
  Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness.
  Abraham lived in Ur of the Chaldees which was every bit as pagan
as China, they worshipped the moon goddess Nana there
  God's Word tells us that we can know by the "creation" around us
that there is a God. The decision to seek and/or trust rests
  with us. I happen to believe that God's call was to all ppl
in all generations. Abraham responded.
  I expect to hear some balking from the Calvinists but this is
the understanding given to me judyt
  
  On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:54:33 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Everyone is born into this world withan equal opportunity
to choose who they will serve

DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me jumping into your exchange with JD,
Judy. Do you have any Biblical evidence to support your above theory?
If not, then can you explain how.

1) A Chinese person born 2,000 years ago would have had the same equal
opportunity to choose as did somebody born in Jerusalem at the
same time?

2) Or, a Chinese person born 100 years ago would have had the same equal
opportunity to choose as somebody born in the Bible Belt?

3) Or a person born in China who was born 100 years before Jesus had
the same equal opportunity to choose as one who lived in
Jerusalem at the time of Christ?

 IOW.How as a Christian well rooted and having the knowledge of
Christ readily available from the time you were born, and perhaps
relatives to guide your in your walk in his footsteps, do you think the
above mentioned examples of the Chinese guy born in a non-Christian
society really do have equal opportunity to choose who they will
serve? To me it seems there is a definite inequality in the
circumstances in which people are born, and in having an equal
opportunity to choose who they will serve to even hear Jesus'
name, let alone accept him as their Savior, or choose to follow and
serve him when they do not have the opportunity to hear the gospel.

 I can see where you might think Jesus would accept all men equally,
but to say that all men are born into the world with equal opportunity
seems a bit of a stretch. Is it theory, or is it Biblical doctrine?

Judith H Taylor wrote: 

  
  Everyone is born into this world withan equal
opportunity to choose who they will serve.
  along with the opportunity to grow in wisdom and grace - or
in deceit and darkness... judyt
  What do you believe separates ppl at birth JD? judyt
  
  On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:01:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
I thought Dean was saying that all men are born
equal. That, of course, is not true. Some are way more stupid than
others, growing up without understanding nor the ability to comprehend
the deeper things of life.  God loves them all, of course, but that
does not make then "equal." 

jd

  


  


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Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-09 Thread Dave Hansen

DavH, pardon my
interruption

DAVEH: Welcome to the discussion, Dean.

all the above questions as one
and the same question DavH.

DAVEH: Correct. I tried to give a variety of hypothetical cases so
that depending on the answer, I wouldn't have to repeat the question
later with minor modification.

even if they have never been
taught of Jesus Christ-as those who have been exposed to God's word? I
hope this is a fair assessment?

DAVEH: Yes...that is pretty much what I am asking. To expand on
that, some folks (like the Chinese) are born into cultures that either
ignore Christianity, or even condition their people to eschew
Christianity. And even more prevalent are the cultures that have
substituted their own religious notions that can be contrary to
Christian principles.witness Muslimism. Then there are the
Buddhists, ShintoI think you get the point. Can a kid growing up
in an anti-Christian environment a thousand years ago or so, have an equal opportunity to choose who they will serve???
Or can they be too brainwashed by their culture/religion to recognize
right from wrong?

God gives all men the equal
chance at obtaining salvation by writing His laws into the hearts of
all men.

DAVEH: Does not salvation by your standards require faith in Jesus,
and repentance? Can His laws be
the motivating factor for one gaining salvation without even knowing
the name of Jesus? What passages do you believe is evidence of such?

All know good and evil-rightor
wrong.

DAVEH: Do you believe knowing rightor
wrong is required for salvation?

It is not the knowing of Christ
that condemns one.

DAVEH: I'm not speaking of what condemns one, but rather what saves
one. If one does not know Christ, can one be saved? From my time on
TT, I thought you folks (darest I say, Protestants) believe that only
those who know Christ can be saved. Is that incorrect, Dean?

All man are not equal in that
God decides whom to call (invite)to salvation.

DAVEH: That sounds confusing to me. I thought you were previously
telling me God gives all men
the equal chance at obtaining salvation...what am
I missing here, Dean?

Is this fair of God to call
some and allow others to go onward into hell? Yes as God will give
mercy to whom He will.

DAVEH: Hmm.doesn't sound quite so fair to me. You are
making it sound like God is a respecter of some persons, and not others.

Dean Moore wrote:

Everyone is born into this world withan equal
opportunity to choose who they will serve

DAVEH: I hope you don't mind me jumping into your exchange with JD,
Judy. Do you have any Biblical evidence to support your above theory?
If not, then can you explain how.

cd: DavH,
pardon my interruption,but I have asked Judy if I could answer
these questions-and Judy, being the kind heartedsaint that she is, has
graciously allowed me to do so:-) If my answers are unsatisfactory,or
anyone feels something should be added-then you are at liberty to
discuss the issue further.See answer below.

1) A Chinese person born 2,000 years ago would have had the same equal
opportunity to choose as did somebody born in Jerusalem at the
same time?

2) Or, a Chinese person born 100 years ago would have had the same equal
opportunity to choose as somebody born in the Bible Belt?

3) Or a person born in China who was born 100 years before Jesus had
the same equal opportunity to choose as one who lived in
Jerusalem at the time of Christ?

IOW.How as a Christian well rooted and having the knowledge of
Chri st readily available from the time you were born, and per
haps relatives to guide your in your walk in his footsteps, do you
think the above mentioned examples of the Chinese guy born in a
non-Christian society really do have equal opportunity to choose
who they will serve? To me it seems there is a definite inequality
in the circumstances in which people are born, and in having an equal
opportunity to choose who they will serve to even hear Jesus'
name, let alone accept him as their Savior, or choose to follow and
serve him when they do not have the opportunity to hear the gospel.

I can see where you might think Jesus would accept all men equally,
but to say that all men are born into the world with equal opportunity
seems a bit of a stretch. Is it theory, or is it Biblical doctrine?

cd: I see all the
above questions as one and the same question DavH. Do people from
different times, places ,and cultures have the same equal opportunity
with God and salvation,-even if they have never been taught of Jesus
Christ-as those who have been exposed to God's word? I hope this is a
fair assessment?
The only wayI know to
answer this question is to: (1) Showhow God gives all men an equal
chance at obtaining heaven,and (2) Show how God and Him alone decides
whom to to invite to heaven.
(1) God gives all
men the equal chance at obtaining salvation by writing His laws into
the hearts of all men.All know good and

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 10:58:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his point.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk 
Sent: February 08, 2006 10:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] God female?



cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-08 Thread Lance Muir




IFO would leave the discussion right there (full 
stop). Bill may do whatever he wishes. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 08, 2006 11:21
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God 
female?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Lance 
Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 10:58:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God 
female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under 
discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the 
reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God 
word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he 
doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a 
good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his 
point.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dean 
  Moore 
  To: TruthTalk 
  Sent: February 08, 2006 10:42
  Subject: [TruthTalk] God 
female?
  
  
  
  cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?
  
  1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two 
  men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray 
  thee, divine unto me by the familiar 
  spirit, and bring me him 
  up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
  1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou 
  knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar 
  spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: 
  wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
  
  1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, 
  saying, As 
  the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this 
  thing.
  
  1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring 
  up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
  
  1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman 
  spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
  1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not 
  afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods 
  ascending out of the earth. 
  1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form 
  is he of? And she said, An old 
  man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And 
  Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and 
  he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
  1Sa 28:15 And Samuel 
  said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to 
  bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the 
  Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and 
  answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have 
  called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
  
  1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing 
  the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
  
  1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he 
  spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and 
  given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
  1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of 
  the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the 
  LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.

There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?" Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen 1:27. ... you'll recognize that reference because it is the one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most) revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God, "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.

-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David:
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?









- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 11:55:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IFO would leave the discussion right there (full stop). Bill may do whatever he wishes. 
cd:I agree with you Lance.If I were him I would also leave this discussion to-as he is not looked so hot for a theologian?Can't even answer a simple Question-such as: Did Jesus have a male organ and does he have one now?Is Jesus God?

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 08, 2006 11:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 10:58:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his point.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk 
Sent: February 08, 2006 10:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] God female?



cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?



hEY, dEAN, 








- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 11:55:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IFO would leave the discussion right there (full stop). Bill may do whatever he wishes. 
cd:I agree with you Lance.If I were him I would also leave this discussion to-as he is not looked so hot for a theologian?Can't even answer a simple Question-such as: Did Jesus have a male organ and does he have one now?Is Jesus God?

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 08, 2006 11:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 10:58:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his point.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk 
Sent: February 08, 2006 10:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] God female?



cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?



hEY, 








- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 11:55:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IFO would leave the discussion right there (full stop). Bill may do whatever he wishes. 
cd:I agree with you Lance.If I were him I would also leave this discussion to-as he is not looked so hot for a theologian?Can't even answer a simple Question-such as: Did Jesus have a male organ and does he have one now?Is Jesus God?

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 08, 2006 11:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 10:58:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his point.

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk 
Sent: February 08, 2006 10:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] God female?



cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?



hEY, dEAN, 








- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 11:55:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IFO would leave the discussion right there (full stop). Bill may do whatever he wishes. 
cd:I agree with you Lance.If I were him I would also leave this discussion to-as he is not looked so hot for a theologian?Can't even answer a simple Question-such as: Did Jesus have a male organ and does he have one now?Is Jesus God?

- Original Message - 
From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 08, 2006 11:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?







- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 10:58:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his point.

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cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

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Hey, Dean, why don't you try to find the answer to this deeply theological question in Adam Clark. I have read more theology than you have read comic books, and I have never seen this ridicualous discussion entertained. This is simply bizarre - bordering on blasphemy. 

.jd

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IFO would leave the discussion right there (full stop). Bill may do whatever he wishes. 
cd:I agree with you Lance.If I were him I would also leave this discussion to-as he is not looked so hot for a theologian?Can't even answer a simple Question-such as: Did Jesus have a male organ and does he have one now?Is Jesus God?

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his point.

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Subject: [TruthTalk] God female?

cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean. 

There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?" Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen 1:27. ... you'll recognize that reference because it is the one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most) revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God, "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender. 

jd
cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women?What if they decide He is a calf?


Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 
First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and females.He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe others can John.The below says that man was created in the image of God ,"BUT" women wasis the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 
cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.
Masculine
M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]
1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.
2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine features.
3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.
4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male, or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males, though not always expressing the male sex.



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cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

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cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women?What if they decide He is a calf?


Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presentedclaiming ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation in view of the fact that you did not understand what I wrote in the first place?Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but cannot understand whatI have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior. 

See ya, 

jd




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Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean. 

There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?" Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen 1:27. ... you'll recognize that reference because it is the one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most) revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God, "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender. 

jd
cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women?What if they decide He is a calf?


Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 
First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and females.He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe others can John.The below says that man was created in the image of God ,"BUT" women wasis the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 
cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.
Masculine
M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]
1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.
2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine features.
3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.
4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male, or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males, though not always expressing the male sex.



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cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa

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Sent: 2/8/2006 12:50:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Hey, Dean, why don't you try to find the answer to this deeply theological question in Adam Clark. I have read more theology than you have read comic books, and I have never seen this ridicualous discussion entertained. This is simply bizarre - bordering on blasphemy. 

.jd
cd: But hasn't this been the point you guys have been trying to make for weeks now-Jesus isthe same flesh as sinful man-are you now saying he isn't?Is JesusGod?Or are you now changing that as you dance around?Seems to me none of you intellectuals can answer a simple question or are you waiting for Bill to provide the answer and jump on that ride so that you won't have to think for yourselves?



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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IFO would leave the discussion right there (full stop). Bill may do whatever he wishes. 
cd:I agree with you Lance.If I were him I would also leave this discussion to-as he is not looked so hot for a theologian?Can't even answer a simple Question-such as: Did Jesus have a male organ and does he have one now?Is Jesus God?

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his point.

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From: Dean Moore 
To: TruthTalk 
Sent: February 08, 2006 10:42
Subject: [TruthTalk] God female?



cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

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Sent: 2/8/2006 12:50:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Hey, Dean, why don't you try to find the answer to this deeply theological question in Adam Clark. I have read more theology than you have read comic books, and I have never seen this ridicualous discussion entertained. This is simply bizarre - bordering on blasphemy. 

.jd
cd: Didn't the origional statement come for the Divine Dance?You guys brought it up in you newsletter and I am replying to it.duh.



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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IFO would leave the discussion right there (full stop). Bill may do whatever he wishes. 
cd:I agree with you Lance.If I were him I would also leave this discussion to-as he is not looked so hot for a theologian?Can't even answer a simple Question-such as: Did Jesus have a male organ and does he have one now?Is Jesus God?

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

IMO Bill adequately addressed the issue under discussion. IMO you are revisiting the issue as if you'd not factored in the reading of Bill's post. 

cd; He may have to those who don't receive God word nor the English language-to me had didn't prove anything except that he doesn't know what he is talking about-big holes all over it-and I am not a good enough dancer to declare a winner before one has proven his point.

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Subject: [TruthTalk] God female?



cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. 
1Sa 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? 
1Sa 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbor, even to David: 
1Sa 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

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cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women?What if they decide He is a calf?


Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presentedclaiming ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation in view of the fact that you did not understand what I wrote in the first place?Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but cannot understand whatI have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.
cd: I was wondering when you would recognize that-and hereI thought you were incapable of learning-go figure.

See ya, 
cd: Later dude.

jd




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Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean. 

There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?" Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen 1:27. ... you'll recognize that reference because it is the one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most) revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God, "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender. 

jd
cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women?What if they decide He is a calf?


Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 
First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and females.He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe others can John.The below says that man was created in the image of God ,"BUT" women wasis the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 
cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.
Masculine
M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]
1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.
2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine features.
3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.
4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male, or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males, though not always expressing the male sex.



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cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?

1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. 
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

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2006-02-08 Thread David Miller

Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE 
attributed masculinity to God.  Dean made a most excellent response to your 
position.

David Miller.

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cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God 
is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?

Good move, Dean !!!  Don't deal with the arugment presentedclaiming 
ignorace of my intent.  And what faith should I have in further explanation 
in view of the fact that you did not understand what I wrote in the first 
place?   Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but 
cannot understand what   I have said?  Amazing.  Intellectually, we are not 
on the same planet.  You, of course, being much my superior.

See ya,

jd

- Original Message - 
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk
Cc: Dean Moore
Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.

There is no sex with God.   He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of 
way.  And why is the masculine used?   Ever heard of cultural demands? 
Since God is not an  it,  since He is a person,  we must use either 
maculine or feminine.  The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine 
reference.   The fact of the matter is bound to scripture  --   namely Gen 
1:27.  ...   you'll recognize that reference because it is the 
one you and Judy keep  ignoring.   There, we have a clear (to most) 
revelation concerning a small aspect of God's image.   Since one cannot be 
both male and female,   since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God, 
the image of God   has little to nothing to do the gender.

jd
cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God 
is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he 
him; male and female created he them.
First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on 
to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me 
statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and 
females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe 
others can John.The below says that man was created in the image of God 
,BUT women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is 
the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a 
masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.
Masculine
M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]
1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.
2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine 
features.
3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.
4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male, 
or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males, 
though not always expressing the male sex.

-- Original message -- 
From: Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]

cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?
1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, 
and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I 
pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom 
I shall name unto thee.
1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath 
done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, 
out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me 
to die?
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, 
there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.
1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, 
Bring me up Samuel.
1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and 
the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art 
Saul.
1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? 
And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man 
cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was 
Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
1Sa 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me 
up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war 
against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither 
by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

2006-02-08 Thread Christine Miller

Dean wrote: First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and females. Bingo! There is the catch. Until you can jump this hurdle, Dean, you and JD will not see eye to eye on this issue. 1 Cor. 11:7 was an excellent point, by the way.Blessings,Christine David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your position.David Miller.- Original Message - From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presentedclaiming ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation in view of the fact that you did not understand what I wrote in the first place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.See ya,jd- Original Message - From:To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalkCc: Dean MooreSent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] God
female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?" Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen 1:27. ... you'll recognize that reference because it is the one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most) revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God, "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.jdcd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?Gen 1:27 So God
created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe others can John.The below says that man was created in the image of God ,"BUT" women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.MasculineM`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a
masculine body.2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine features.3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male, or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males, though not always expressing the male sex.-- Original message -- From: "Dean Moore" cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest
thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he o

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- Original Message - 
From: Christine Miller 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 3:44:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Dean wrote:First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and females.Bingo! There is the catch. Until you can jump this hurdle, Dean, you and JD will not see eye to eye on this issue. 1 Cor. 11:7 was an excellent point, by the way.

cd: The question-little sister- is should I jump this hurdle:-)Blessings,Christine

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your position. David Miller. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female? cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf? Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation in view of the fact that you did not unde
rstand what I wrote in the first place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior. See ya, jd- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk Cc: Dean Moore Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean. There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?" Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen 1:27. you'll recogni
ze that reference because it is the one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most) revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God, "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender. jd cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf? Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe others can John.The below says that man was cre
ated in the image of God ,"BUT" women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown. 1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body. Masculine M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.] 1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body. 2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine features. 3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage. 4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male, or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males, though not always expressing the male sex. -- Original message --
; From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male? 1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. 1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die? 1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing. 1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spoke to S
aul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. 1Sa 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 1Sa 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his fa

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- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying Lance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position.   David Miller.   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde
 rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See ya,   jd- Original Message -  From:  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27. . you'll recog
ni ze that reference because it is the  one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most)  revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be  both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God,  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.   jd  cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?  Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he  him; male and female created he them.  First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on  to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me  statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and  females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe  others can John.The below says that man was 
cre ated in the image of God  ,"BUT" women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.  1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is  the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.  cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a  masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.  Masculine  M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]  1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.  2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine  features.  3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.  4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male,  or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males,  though not always expressing the male sex. -- Original message --  ; From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?  1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went,  and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I  pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom  I shall name unto thee.  1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath  done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards,  out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me  to die?  1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth,  there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.  1Sa 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said,  Bring me up Samuel.  1Sa 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and  the woman spok
e to S aul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art  Saul.  1Sa 28:13 And

Re: [TruthTalk] God female?


Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying Lance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position.   David Miller.   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde
 rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See ya,   jd- Original Message -  From:  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27. .. you'll reco
g ni ze that reference because it is the  one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most)  revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be  both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God,  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.   jd  cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?  Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he  him; male and female created he them.  First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on  to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me  statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and  females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe  others can John.The below says that man wa
s cre ated in the image of God  ,"BUT" women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.  1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is  the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.  cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a  masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.  Masculine  M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]  1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.  2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine  features.  3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.  4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male,  or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males,  though not always expressing the male sex. -- Original message -- <
BR> ; From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?  1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went,  and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I  pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom  I shall name unto thee.  1Sa 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath  done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards,  out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me  to die?  1Sa 28:10 An

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- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:43:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

Once again, this time it is John, not Lance !! Using your example below, do you know the difference between the Hebrew text and the English translation of that text? God "inspired" the Hebrew text, Dean, not the English translation of that text. 

That is clearly and obvioiusly what I am saying. You need a lexicon , NOT A DICTIONARY. 

jd (or maybe it is Lance)
cd: So you don't think God could have protected and helped us get a good translation.It would seem to me that he would want the English speaking world to get his pure word also-but hey that's just my thinking that way-why would he think our souls are important? huh.







- Original Message - 
From: 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: D
Sent: 2/8/2006 5:20:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?

The culture gave us the language of a masculine God, David. I am surprised you made the same intellectual mistake as Dean. 

jd
cd: So God directing the writing of Moses with the first five book had nothing to do with what was written?Is this what you are saying Lance.

-- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Dean rightly understood that your premise was that the Jewish CULTURE  attributed masculinity to God. Dean made a most excellent response to your  position.   David Miller.   - Original Message -  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 1:19 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?   cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?   Good move, Dean !!! Don't deal with the arugment presented claiming  ignorace of my intent. And what faith should I have in further explanation  in view of the fact that you did not unde
 rstand what I wrote in the first  place? Why is it that you cliam to understand the biblical message but  cannot understand what I have said? Amazing. Intellectually, we are not  on the same planet. You, of course, being much my superior.   See ya,   jd- Original Message -  From:  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk  Cc: Dean Moore  Sent: 2/8/2006 12:31:57 PM  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God female?Keep on ignoring Gen 1:27 , Dean.   There is no sex with God. He is neither male or female in a sexual sort of  way. And why is the masculine used? Ever heard of "cultural demands?"  Since God is not an "it," since He is a person, we must use either  maculine or feminine. The culture of the Jew gave us the masculine  reference. The fact of the matter is bound to scripture -- namely Gen  1:27. ... you'll rec
o g ni ze that reference because it is the  one you and Judy keep ignoring. There, we have a clear (to most)  revelation concerning a small aspect of "God's image." Since one cannot be  both "male and female," since Adam AND Eve both are the image of God,  "the image of God" has little to nothing to do the gender.   jd  cd: This makes no sense at all to me John-The culture decided what God  is?Can they now decide he is a women? What if they decide He is a calf?  Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he  him; male and female created he them.  First this passage says that God created man in his image- then it goes on  to say He created both males and females.I see no contradictions to me  statements here-unless one believe there is no difference between males and  females. He is the mescaline. I realize you cannot understand this but maybe  others can John..The below says that man 
wa s cre ated in the image of God  ,"BUT" women was is the glory of man. Clearly a difference is shown.  1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is  the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.  cd: As you didn't receive this the first time-I am resending it-God has a  masculine nature.Jesus had a masculine nature and a masculine body.  Masculine  M`ASCULINE, a. [L. masculinus, from masculus, mas.]  1. Having the qualities of a man; strong; robust; as a masculine body.  2. Resembling man; coarse; opposed to delicate or soft; as masculine  features.  3. Bold; brave; as a masculine spirit or courage.  4. In grammar,the masculine gender of words is that which expresses a male,  or something analogous to it; or it is the gender appropriated to males,  though not always expressing the male sex. -- Original message -
-  BR ; From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  cd: Here is another Bibical spirit that is a male?  1Sa 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he wen

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