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I gotta agree with john here. what a tragedy loosing ones hair at such an early age, especially when it defies the male-pattern balding as in this case! G, the ipod things seem to be the rage, but maybe you should consider getting your son a rug. It may improve his interactions with the females! jeff :-) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah In a message dated 12/11/2004 7:35:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: B, skild in sprts/coachg/communications--semi intrstd in busins--plays O line on th TC conf champ fb team, NAIA nationaly rankd 2yrs runng; is 300+ #, a wt liftr, ladies' man, etc.Too bad about his hair lose. My lose of hair has occcured in the very opposite configuration. It is great to har of your sons friendship for each other. Sounds like you even encouraged them to make their own decisions about a lot (perhaps) of very serious matters, i.e. religion. Thanks for the pics. Does Dad take after the younger or the older? I know -- chicken before the egg but you know what I mean. It's kind of funny with my kids - somewhere along the lone, I completely lost my identity, becoming "Jame's Dad" or "Russ's old man" or (take your pick from 5 kids). People are always telling me, "you talk just like " The theory of the chicken and egg has been completely lost to the younger generation.J
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In a message dated 12/11/2004 7:35:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: J, Andrew got diagnsd bone cancr (~age 20), Also, Andrew is on that 5 year watch thing -- other than that, he is fine, now J
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In a message dated 12/11/2004 7:35:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: B, skild in sprts/coachg/communications--semi intrstd in busins--plays O line on th TC conf champ fb team, NAIA nationaly rankd 2yrs runng; is 300+ #, a wt liftr, ladies' man, etc. Too bad about his hair lose. My lose of hair has occcured in the very opposite configuration. It is great to har of your sons friendship for each other. Sounds like you even encouraged them to make their own decisions about a lot (perhaps) of very serious matters, i.e. religion. Thanks for the pics. Does Dad take after the younger or the older? I know -- chicken before the egg but you know what I mean. It's kind of funny with my kids - somewhere along the lone, I completely lost my identity, becoming "Jame's Dad" or "Russ's old man" or (take your pick from 5 kids). People are always telling me, "you talk just like " The theory of the chicken and egg has been completely lost to the younger generation. J
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Not exactly wimpy-looking kids there, g. J I’d never have pictured you as a Mennonite family, either. LOL! (Picture G driving along in his carriage with Bob Dylan in the ipod.) Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 9:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah J, Andrew got diagnsd bone cancr (~age 20), betw his Soph/Jr yrs, and missd tht acadmc yr at Tabor College (Hillsboro KS; it's Mennonite...yrs earlier, in Mid Schl he ran into some Menno kids he likd and decdd to hang out with them, partic at ch, yth grp, etc...guess whch Dad became their SS tchr--a job he retird from? : ) Ben, who went to a diff, mildly charismatc type of ch, etc., growg up, respondd to A's cancr situ by droppg his college plans (in state, football, etc.) and stayg home with A--a V positiv gesture.. then, once A got the med 'ok' to resume at TC, B decidd to go with A to collg (both @ TC) A, skilld partic in languages, is intrstd Bib studies, mayb sem (MA deg?) now B, skild in sprts/coachg/communications--semi intrstd in busins--plays O line on th TC conf champ fb team, NAIA nationaly rankd 2yrs runng; is 300+ #, a wt liftr, ladies' man, etc. (3 pics attchd:) G On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:07:25 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what are they in their schooling.
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When the pastor asked What are you wanting for Christmas this year, I heard a teenaged boy behind me say, “ipod!!!”. It’s quite the thing this year. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah In a message dated 12/11/2004 9:51:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well, my sons are comin' home soon, from college...maybe for chrisTmas they'd rent it and get it going for me..thx...what do you think about iTunes/iPod systms (mayb for them)? You reproduced? Kulh !!! Where and what are they in their schooling. J
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In a message dated 12/11/2004 9:51:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: well, my sons are comin' home soon, from college...maybe for chrisTmas they'd rent it and get it going for me..thx...what do you think about iTunes/iPod systms (mayb for them)? You reproduced? Kulh !!! Where and what are they in their schooling. J
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thanks - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 18:03 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah By the way, Jeff -- before any think of me as being borish and self-centered - I just think that it helps to know that others have a good idea of what you are going through -- so I did the sharing thing. God will bless you. JD
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In a message dated 12/11/2004 12:06:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My advice; feel the grief. Otherwise it festers. Offer it up as a sacrifice, and He will use it to refine you like gold. Izzy Great advice/ J
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By the way, Jeff -- before any think of me as being borish and self-centered - I just think that it helps to know that others have a good idea of what you are going through -- so I did the sharing thing. God will bless you. JD
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In a message dated 12/11/2004 9:24:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John said, "not a good time of the year for heartache." Ahhh, Brother John, again you hit the nail on the head! Thats my problem. I'm caught in memories and they just seem to bring on a meloncholy mood. I've been trying to keep things on the light side and joke as much as possible, but at times that doesn't work. A friend has even noticed that I have been sequestering myself much more lately. When it becomes difficult to deal with everyday things lightheartedly I just seperate myself. My wife was a xmas junkie! And now since before thanksgiving, I am bombarded with reminders of happier times. About a month to go and I'll be back to my old curmudgeon self. jeff Yes you will, my friend. Hate to see or hear of hurt in the lives of those for whom I have respect. With my sister, it took nearly 5 years to get away from her passing. It is strange, I remember one xmas season came with no thoughts of Nancynothing conscious. As December roled around, I got extremely depressed -- passed it off on growth pains or whatever. Then, one day, I just stopped and asked myself what the heck was going on -- crying, even sobbing, for no reason. Deep down inside, there was that clock that had sounded the alarm. Now, I know what is going on. It's been 25 years this season -- and this is the worst in many a year. She was the road most traveled -- I was the hazard. She passed and I remained. She was ready (I now know) and I was not. A -- gotta go. John
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My advice; feel the grief. Otherwise it festers. Offer it up as a sacrifice, and He will use it to refine you like gold. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah John said, "not a good time of the year for heartache." Ahhh, Brother John, again you hit the nail on the head! Thats my problem. I'm caught in memories and they just seem to bring on a meloncholy mood. I've been trying to keep things on the light side and joke as much as possible, but at times that doesn't work. A friend has even noticed that I have been sequestering myself much more lately. When it becomes difficult to deal with everyday things lightheartedly I just seperate myself. My wife was a xmas junkie! And now since before thanksgiving, I am bombarded with reminders of happier times. About a month to go and I'll be back to my old curmudgeon self. jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:31:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Sorry about that. I'm very frustrated right now. It's not you. Jeff Jeff A preemptive apology from me --- this is not a good time of the year. In '79, a man died whom I scarcely knew but (today) have a measure of respect for --- my Dad and on Dec. 17 of that same year, my sister died at age 33. We were best friends. For some reason, after all these years, this year it is really bothering me. Hopefully, I will not let it enter into my writing on TT nor my relationship with my wife. I think it won't -- but it is one of those deeply felt emotions that interferes before you make the connection. I was worried that I had with you. Not a good time of the year for heartache. John
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Maybe some techie (Jonathan) could say more. Not I. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 11, 2004 12:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah well, my sons are comin' home soon, from college...maybe for chrisTmas they'd rent it and get it going for me..thx...what do you think about iTunes/iPod systms (mayb for them)? On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:20:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: G-It's rentable ||
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John said, "not a good time of the year for heartache." Ahhh, Brother John, again you hit the nail on the head! Thats my problem. I'm caught in memories and they just seem to bring on a meloncholy mood. I've been trying to keep things on the light side and joke as much as possible, but at times that doesn't work. A friend has even noticed that I have been sequestering myself much more lately. When it becomes difficult to deal with everyday things lightheartedly I just seperate myself. My wife was a xmas junkie! And now since before thanksgiving, I am bombarded with reminders of happier times. About a month to go and I'll be back to my old curmudgeon self. jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 10:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:31:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Sorry about that. I'm very frustrated right now. It's not you.JeffJeffA preemptive apology from me --- this is not a good time of the year. In '79, a man died whom I scarcely knew but (today) have a measure of respect for --- my Dad and on Dec. 17 of that same year, my sister died at age 33. We were best friends. For some reason, after all these years, this year it is really bothering me. Hopefully, I will not let it enter into my writing on TT nor my relationship with my wife. I think it won't -- but it is one of those deeply felt emotions that interferes before you make the connection. I was worried that I had with you. Not a good time of the year for heartache. John
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well, my sons are comin' home soon, from college...maybe for chrisTmas they'd rent it and get it going for me..thx...what do you think about iTunes/iPod systms (mayb for them)? On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:20:25 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: G-It's rentable ||
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G-It's rentable on DVD with mucho extras. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 11, 2004 11:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah M&A? no--i've been to a theater maybe 10 times in my life-mostly as a studnt; e.g. my sr hs eng teachr took us to Dr. Zhivago which was v memorable--great moviemaybe BDs'd be worthwhile(?)...regardlss, thx for the note on Weber's book; i'm rdg it now...he was one of my Ch Hist profs.. along with B Shelley, T Tseng... On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:56:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Did you see the latest 'Dylan' flick? ||
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I don't know of whole congregations that have fallen... I know of portions who have and that caused the split -- because people who fall for the Antimissionary argument become rabid and they [instantly] become divisive. You have no choice but to excise the damaged body parts. I've suggested the Messianic leadership remain in contact with the fallen ones in hopes of reunification, but sadly I've yet to see this happen. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jeff PowersSent: Friday, 10 December, 2004 17.32To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah John, In a word, Yes! I'm very tired and do not care to delve into something that Slade can better explain. Just my point of view, take it or leave it. Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah In a message dated 12/10/2004 2:37:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen more than a few Messianic fellowships dissolve and split because a number of attendees fell victim to the tactics of the antimissionary and renounced their faith in Yeshua. It's very sad. They're also highly effective. That's why much of what I do is to counter the antimisionary. You know of whole congregations that returned to Judaism? And I thought the Gentile church ahd its problems. Do you see the problems above as similar to what Paul was dealing with in the First Church? J
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M&A? no--i've been to a theater maybe 10 times in my life-mostly as a studnt; e.g. my sr hs eng teachr took us to Dr. Zhivago which was v memorable--great moviemaybe BDs'd be worthwhile(?)...regardlss, thx for the note on Weber's book; i'm rdg it now...he was one of my Ch Hist profs.. along with B Shelley, T Tseng... On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:56:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Did you see the latest 'Dylan' flick? ||
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Did you see the latest 'Dylan' flick? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 11, 2004 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:19:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:31:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Sorry about that. I'm very frustrated right now. It's not you... || ..Not a good time of the year for heartache. John -- Well, today has been a sad ol' lonesome dayYeah, today has been a sad ol' lonesome dayI'm just sittin' here thinkingWith my mind a million miles away Well, they're doing the double shuffle, throwin' sand on the floorThey're doing the double shuffle, they're throwin' sand on the floorWhen I left my long-time darlin'She was standing in the door Well, my pa he died and left me, my brother got killed in the warWell, my pa he died and left me, my brother got killed in the warMy sister, she ran off and got marriedNever was heard of any more Samantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five monthsSamantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five monthsDon't know how it looked to other peopleI never slept with her even once Well, the road's washed out - weather not fit for man or beastYeah the road's washed out - weather not fit for man or beastFunny, how the things you have the hardest time parting withAre the things you need the least I'm forty miles from the mill - I'm droppin' it into overdriveI'm forty miles from the mill - I'm droppin' it into overdriveSettin' my dial on the radioI wish my mother was still alive I see your lover-man comin' - comin' 'cross the barren fieldI see your lover-man comin' - comin' 'cross the barren fieldHe's not a gentleman at all - he's rotten to the coreHe's a coward and he steals Well my captain he's decorated - he's well schooled and he's skilledMy captain, he's decorated - he's well schooled and he's skilledHe's not sentimental - don't bother him at allHow many of his pals have been killed Last night the wind was whisperin', I was trying to make out what it wasLast night the wind was whisperin' somethin' - I was trying to make out what it wasI tell myself something's comin'But it never does I'm gonna spare the defeated - I'm gonna speak to the crowdI'm gonna spare the defeated, boys, I'm going to speak to the crowdI am goin' to teach peace to the conqueredI'm gonna tame the proud Well the leaves are rustlin' in the wood - things are fallin' off of the shelfLeaves are rustlin' in the wood - things are fallin' off the shelfYou gonna need my help, sweetheartYou can't make love all by yourself Bob Dylan, 'Lonesome Day Blues', _Love & Theft_ Copyright © 2001 Special Rider Music
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On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:19:37 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:31:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Sorry about that. I'm very frustrated right now. It's not you... || ..Not a good time of the year for heartache. John -- Well, today has been a sad ol' lonesome dayYeah, today has been a sad ol' lonesome dayI'm just sittin' here thinkingWith my mind a million miles away Well, they're doing the double shuffle, throwin' sand on the floorThey're doing the double shuffle, they're throwin' sand on the floorWhen I left my long-time darlin'She was standing in the door Well, my pa he died and left me, my brother got killed in the warWell, my pa he died and left me, my brother got killed in the warMy sister, she ran off and got marriedNever was heard of any more Samantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five monthsSamantha Brown lived in my house for about four or five monthsDon't know how it looked to other peopleI never slept with her even once Well, the road's washed out - weather not fit for man or beastYeah the road's washed out - weather not fit for man or beastFunny, how the things you have the hardest time parting withAre the things you need the least I'm forty miles from the mill - I'm droppin' it into overdriveI'm forty miles from the mill - I'm droppin' it into overdriveSettin' my dial on the radioI wish my mother was still alive I see your lover-man comin' - comin' 'cross the barren fieldI see your lover-man comin' - comin' 'cross the barren fieldHe's not a gentleman at all - he's rotten to the coreHe's a coward and he steals Well my captain he's decorated - he's well schooled and he's skilledMy captain, he's decorated - he's well schooled and he's skilledHe's not sentimental - don't bother him at allHow many of his pals have been killed Last night the wind was whisperin', I was trying to make out what it wasLast night the wind was whisperin' somethin' - I was trying to make out what it wasI tell myself something's comin'But it never does I'm gonna spare the defeated - I'm gonna speak to the crowdI'm gonna spare the defeated, boys, I'm going to speak to the crowdI am goin' to teach peace to the conqueredI'm gonna tame the proud Well the leaves are rustlin' in the wood - things are fallin' off of the shelfLeaves are rustlin' in the wood - things are fallin' off the shelfYou gonna need my help, sweetheartYou can't make love all by yourself Bob Dylan, 'Lonesome Day Blues', _Love & Theft_ Copyright © 2001 Special Rider Music
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In a message dated 12/10/2004 11:31:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Sorry about that. I'm very frustrated right now. It's not you. Jeff Jeff A preemptive apology from me --- this is not a good time of the year. In '79, a man died whom I scarcely knew but (today) have a measure of respect for --- my Dad and on Dec. 17 of that same year, my sister died at age 33. We were best friends. For some reason, after all these years, this year it is really bothering me. Hopefully, I will not let it enter into my writing on TT nor my relationship with my wife. I think it won't -- but it is one of those deeply felt emotions that interferes before you make the connection. I was worried that I had with you. Not a good time of the year for heartache. John
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John, Sorry about that. I'm very frustrated right now. It's not you. Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 20:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah In a message dated 12/10/2004 3:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John,In a word, Yes! I'm very tired and do not care to delve into something that Slade can better explain. Just my point of view, take it or leave it.JeffJeff -- the "take it or leave it " part usually indicates some distress or frustration on the part of the author. Is there something I said that got to you? What am I missing?JD
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In a message dated 12/10/2004 3:06:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, In a word, Yes! I'm very tired and do not care to delve into something that Slade can better explain. Just my point of view, take it or leave it. Jeff Jeff -- the "take it or leave it " part usually indicates some distress or frustration on the part of the author. Is there something I said that got to you? What am I missing? JD
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John, In a word, Yes! I'm very tired and do not care to delve into something that Slade can better explain. Just my point of view, take it or leave it. Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the Messiah In a message dated 12/10/2004 2:37:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen more than a few Messianic fellowships dissolve and split because a number of attendees fell victim to the tactics of the antimissionary and renounced their faith in Yeshua. It's very sad. They're also highly effective. That's why much of what I do is to counter the antimisionary. You know of whole congregations that returned to Judaism? And I thought the Gentile church ahd its problems. Do you see the problems above as similar to what Paul was dealing with in the First Church? J
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In a message dated 12/10/2004 2:37:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've seen more than a few Messianic fellowships dissolve and split because a number of attendees fell victim to the tactics of the antimissionary and renounced their faith in Yeshua. It's very sad. They're also highly effective. That's why much of what I do is to counter the antimisionary. You know of whole congregations that returned to Judaism? And I thought the Gentile church ahd its problems. Do you see the problems above as similar to what Paul was dealing with in the First Church? J
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Sorry. Sometimes terms imbed so deep in the psyche, one assumes all know the definitions. An anti missionary is someone who fights against the missionary activities of another. Within my context, a Jewish antimissionary uses Scripture and/or Oral Tradition to prove Christianity false, Jesus is not the Messiah, and that the only true faith is Judaism. I've seen more than a few Messianic fellowships dissolve and split because a number of attendees fell victim to the tactics of the antimissionary and renounced their faith in Yeshua. It's very sad. They're also highly effective. That's why much of what I do is to counter the antimisionary. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 09 December, 2004 09.08Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus the MessiahSlade,Also, in view of your conclusion, "In conclusion, Messiah as revealed in Jewish Intertestamental Literature suporrt both the idea that the Jewish Messiah has a divine origin or that he was a lowly human orign. However, the vast majority of texts support a divine Messiah, contrary to the Antimissionary who claims Judaism never believed in a Messiah who is also the God Avraham, Isaac, and Jacob," Why was Christ rejected as Messiah, divine, and the son of God, by the Jewish leadership of the day? And, what is "antimissionary?" JohnGood paper, by the way.
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Slade, Also, in view of your conclusion, "In conclusion, Messiah as revealed in Jewish Intertestamental Literature suporrt both the idea that the Jewish Messiah has a divine origin or that he was a lowly human orign. However, the vast majoority of texts support a divine Messiah, contrary to the Antimissionary who claims Judaism never believed in a Messiah who is also the God Avraham, Isaac, and Jacob," Why was Christ rejected as Messiah, divine, and the son of God, by the Jewish leadership of the day? And, what is "antimissionary?" John Good paper, by the way.
