Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Sorry David but, here's another pat on the back from Iz to offset my remark. Better now? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 23:06 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Lance, It seems that you are insecure that DM received a genuine pat on the back, and then was straightforward enough to say he appreciated a kind word. (Not a good thingy.) iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc David:Are you that insecure? - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 15:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Thank you, Judy, for being perceptive and understanding me. David Miller - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Then I suggest that those of you who are titillated by this kind of thing take G with you and form your own List because this is not only rude it is divisive and sectarian - Oh thou discerner of sects DM does not do this. He works hard to try and communicate with others wherever they are at -This is preferring one's brother/sister - in LOVE. An alien concept to some. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:26:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Thank you, Judy, for being perceptive and understanding me. David Miller - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Then I suggest that those of you who are titillated by this kind of thing take G with you and form your own List because this is not only rude it is divisive and sectarian - Oh thou discerner of sects DM does not do this. He works hard to try and communicate with others wherever they are at -This is preferring one's brother/sister - in LOVE. An alien concept to some. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:26:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
David:Are you that insecure? - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 15:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Thank you, Judy, for being perceptive and understanding me. David Miller - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Then I suggest that those of you who are titillated by this kind of thing take G with you and form your own List because this is not only rude it is divisive and sectarian - Oh thou discerner of sects DM does not do this. He works hard to try and communicate with others wherever they are at -This is preferring one's brother/sister - in LOVE. An alien concept to some. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:26:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
RE: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Lance, It seems that you are insecure that DM received a genuine pat on the back, and then was straightforward enough to say he appreciated a kind word. (Not a good thingy.) iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc David:Are you that insecure? - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 15:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Thank you, Judy, for being perceptive and understanding me. David Miller - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Then I suggest that those of you who are titillated by this kind of thing take G with you and form your own List because this is not only rude it is divisive and sectarian - Oh thou discerner of sects DM does not do this. He works hard to try and communicate with others wherever they are at -This is preferring one's brother/sister - in LOVE. An alien concept to some. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:26:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
IFO should like to have this conflict elaborated upon, David. Is it fair of me to ask that you accuse TFT of the same heresy you accused me of some time back? This is that same distinction is it not? As I recall you tacked on one of those infamous warnings you've come to be known for. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 15:16 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Judy quotes a mentor of Lance: Out of sheer respect for the majesty of the Truth as it is revealed in the Holy Scriptures, we have to do our utmost to speak correctly and exactly about it -that is the meaning of orthodoxy and the way of humility-but when we have done all this, we have still to confess that we are unfaithful servants, that all our efforts fall far short of the truth. Judy wrote: I see a very definite conflict between the teaching of God's Word and your favorite mentors Barth and TFT Judy, which mentor are you quoting above? There is a definite conflict between God's Word and what you quote above. Is there anybody on this list who does not see this conflict? If so, I will elaborate as time permits. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Then I suggest that those of you who are titillated by this kind of thing take G with you and form your own List because this is not only rude it is divisive and sectarian - Oh thou discerner of sects DM does not do this. He works hard to try and communicate with others wherever they are at -This is preferring one's brother/sister - in LOVE. An alien concept to some. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:26:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
What question? Was there a sentence? --- Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how means that Pilate knew, implictly, that he never could 'wash his hands' of JC (who was, quite interestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended' JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. || __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Why not form your own list, Judy. I would be interested in seeing just how that would work. And you miss the point of G's monologue, altogether -- IMO. Hint: it has to do with thepossibility for a reply that leaves open the notion of true exchange -- from G's perspective, maybe there is a message to be gleaned from the very presence of syntax in this regard. jd . -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then I suggest that those of you who are titillated by this kind of thing take G with you and form your own List because this is not only rude it is divisive and sectarian - Oh thou discerner of sects DM does not do this. He works hard to try and communicate with others wherever they are at -This is preferring one's brother/sister - in LOVE. An alien concept to some. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:26:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Why? I am OK with this one As for G's monologue, most of the time I bypass it, I don't make any effort to try and apprehend a meaning; I figure if someone really wants to communicate they will use plainness of speech; Gary is just doing his own thing, which is fine, especially since he has a cheering gallery, but he certainly is not exalting Christ in it. If I wanted an English lesson I would go back to Paul D. Camp. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:02:44 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not form your own list, Judy. I would be interested in seeing just how that would work. And you miss the point of G's monologue, altogether -- IMO. Hint: it has to do with thepossibility for a reply that leaves open the notion of true exchange -- from G's perspective, maybe there is a message to be gleaned from the very presence of syntax in this regard. jd . From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then I suggest that those of you who are titillated by this kind of thing take G with you and form your own List because this is not only rude it is divisive and sectarian - Oh thou discerner of sects DM does not do this. He works hard to try and communicate with others wherever they are at -This is preferring one's brother/sister - in LOVE. An alien concept to some. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:26:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
That 'OK' Judy was a nuff said OK and, it was not an I agree with you OKOK? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 20, 2006 12:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Why? I am OK with this one As for G's monologue, most of the time I bypass it, I don't make any effort to try and apprehend a meaning; I figure if someone really wants to communicate they will use plainness of speech; Gary is just doing his own thing, which is fine, especially since he has a cheering gallery, but he certainly is not exalting Christ in it. If I wanted an English lesson I would go back to Paul D. Camp. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:02:44 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not form your own list, Judy. I would be interested in seeing just how that would work. And you miss the point of G's monologue, altogether -- IMO. Hint: it has to do with thepossibility for a reply that leaves open the notion of true exchange -- from G's perspective, maybe there is a message to be gleaned from the very presence of syntax in this regard. jd . From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then I suggest that those of you who are titillated by this kind of thing take G with you and form your own List because this is not only rude it is divisive and sectarian - Oh thou discerner of sects DM does not do this. He works hard to try and communicate with others wherever they are at -This is preferring one's brother/sister - in LOVE. An alien concept to some. On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:26:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
RE: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Strangely akin to schizophrenia, dont you think? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:16 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
RE: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Do you all hear the same voices? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:27 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc It should be obvious why G does this. It is to some of us. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Iz; you and your husband are in the medical field. What do they say about ppl who like to dialogue with themselves all the time like this? I note none of these are questions they are all answers. What was the question? On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..e.g., Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Why would you be embarrassed about torrance being
identified with Reformed
theology and John Calvin when you
personallyinform the list as follows and torrance
quotes these doctrines in his own
writings?
Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of Knox
thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin
thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of Calvin's NT
commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity
Judy, some of what persons say is worthwhile.
Also Lance you are still remiss concerningthe
following; please explain. What promise?
One can only be appreciative of the contribution made by
yourself and David Miller as to my point of
longstanding concerning 'illumination/interpretation'. You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise
and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your
writing.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing was
akin to Kevin stating that
DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he (Kevin)
does. Thus 'embarrassment'!
From: Judy Taylor
Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself who is not
permitted to speak about torrance;
seems to beOK for Lance and those he
approves/respects ... you may not be on
the "forbidden" list?From: "Lance
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point, David. My
goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't expect you to be able
to understand this point', 'you are not hearing me on this last post')
IFF you, David, were who you think yourself to be then, Bill, Caroline, Debbie, Jonathan et al would've
never left. I really do think you've got better things to do with
your time, David. You certainly are not, in some important areas, leaving a good impression on TT.
Lance, I am so tired of hearing about Bill,
Caroline, Debbie, and Jonathan
You talk like their absence is some great loss. It
was their choice to leave
and I wish them well but why do you keep bringing
them up constantly. If I am
forbidden to discuss torrance then I would put the
same restriction on you
regarding these four.
As to the "impression left by DavidM on TT" - even
Jesus could not please
all of the people all of the time. IMO he may
not be a perfect man just yet
one who has fully attained but he is well on the way and he is a godly man ...
who are you to personallyjudge another man's
servant Lance Muir?
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have read.
Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on this one. I
believe God operates with logic, not against it, yet logic alone
cannot lead us into all truth. I don't expect you to be able
to understand at this point, but you should know that you
are not hearing me in this last post. I make some subtle
distinctions that would help you understand me better if you would
take the time to hear them. David
Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the
day in Genesis literal or figurative? We've been
here before have we not? IFF you believe that the laws of logic to
which you subscribe are those out of which God operates then, David.
you deceived. What you are practicing is anthropological
theology as against theological
anthropology. - Original Message -
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 07:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative? Lance
wrote: David:Or, the Holy Spirit is not a
rationalist. If you define "rationalist" in the more
esoteric sense of the idea that reason is the source of truth,
then I do not believe the Holy Spirit is a rationalist. By
this definition, I am not a rationalist either.
However, I do believe that the Holy Spirit is
rational. He also does not lie or employ
deception to mislead others. The Holy Spirit uses rational thought
to speak to us, and he expects us to include
rationality as a basis of belief and
action. The position that Genesis 1 is the Holy
Spirit not being rational is just a cop out, in my
opinion. It is just as bad as the Creationist who uses
the cop out explanation for an observation, "God did it" to stop
further research and investigation. The truth is not
afraid of logical thinking, nor does it contradict logic at any
time. David Miller
-- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every
man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not want to
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
George Burns used to close his act with his wife
Gracie Allen by saying 'Say goodnight Gracie!, to which Gracie Allen would
reply, 'Goodnight Gracie'
As to your homework on various topics along with
your conviction and sincerity Judy, you get better and better. Many meanings
elude you but, IFO have never thought it intentional thus, my use of the word
'elude' eh.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 09:05
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT,
Promises etc
Why would you be embarrassed about torrance being
identified with Reformed
theology and John Calvin when you
personallyinform the list as follows and torrance
quotes these doctrines in his own
writings?
Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of Knox
thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin
thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of Calvin's NT
commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity
Judy, some of what persons say is worthwhile.
Also Lance you are still remiss concerningthe
following; please explain. What promise?
One can only be appreciative of the contribution made by
yourself and David Miller as to my point of
longstanding concerning 'illumination/interpretation'. You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise
and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your
writing.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing was
akin to Kevin stating that
DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he (Kevin)
does. Thus 'embarrassment'!
From: Judy Taylor
Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself who is
not permitted to speak about torrance;
seems to beOK for Lance and those he
approves/respects ... you may not be on
the "forbidden" list?From: "Lance
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point, David.
My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't expect you to be
able to understand this point', 'you are not hearing me on this last
post') IFF you, David, were who you think yourself to be then, Bill, Caroline, Debbie, Jonathan et al would've
never left. I really do think you've got better things to do
with your time, David. You certainly are not, in some important areas,
leaving a good impression on TT.
Lance, I am so tired of hearing about Bill,
Caroline, Debbie, and Jonathan
You talk like their absence is some great loss.
It was their choice to leave
and I wish them well but why do you keep bringing
them up constantly. If I am
forbidden to discuss torrance then I would put
the same restriction on you
regarding these four.
As to the "impression left by DavidM on TT" -
even Jesus could not please
all of the people all of the time. IMO he
may not be a perfect man just yet
one who has fully attained but he is well on the way and he is a godly man ...
who are you to personallyjudge another man's
servant Lance Muir?
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have read.
Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on this one. I
believe God operates with logic, not against it, yet logic alone
cannot lead us into all truth. I don't expect you to be able
to understand at this point, but you should know that you
are not hearing me in this last post. I make some subtle
distinctions that would help you understand me better if you would
take the time to hear them. David
Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is
the day in Genesis literal or figurative? We've
been here before have we not? IFF you believe that the laws of
logic to which you subscribe are those out of which God operates
then, David. you deceived. What you are practicing is
anthropological theology as against theological
anthropology. - Original Message -
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 07:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative? Lance
wrote: David:Or, the Holy Spirit is not a
rationalist. If you define "rationalist" in the
more esoteric sense of the idea that reason is the source of
truth, then I do not believe the Holy Spirit is a
rationalist. By this definition, I a
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Only we are not talking about me Lance
The subject is you and your mentor. If you know
something that eludes me - then lay it out.
Also you need to tell DavidM and I what nonexistent
promise we lay claim to.
The above is your duty as a professing believer who
sees a brother/sister in a fault
I'm waiting to see the LOVE
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:16:15 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
George Burns used to close his act with his wife
Gracie Allen by saying 'Say goodnight Gracie!, to which Gracie Allen would
reply, 'Goodnight Gracie'
As to your homework on various topics along with
your conviction and sincerity Judy, you get better and better. Many meanings
elude you but, IFO have never thought it intentional thus, my use of the word
'elude' eh.
From: Judy Taylor
Why would you be embarrassed about torrance being
identified with Reformed
theology and John Calvin when you
personallyinform the list as follows and torrance
quotes these doctrines in his own
writings?
Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of Knox
thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin
thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of Calvin's
NT commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity
Judy, some of what persons say is worthwhile.
Also Lance you are still remiss concerningthe
following; please explain. What promise?
One can only be appreciative of the contribution made by
yourself and David Miller as to my point of
longstanding concerning 'illumination/interpretation'.
You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise
and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your
writing.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing was
akin to Kevin stating that
DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he (Kevin)
does. Thus 'embarrassment'!
From: Judy
Taylor
Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself who is
not permitted to speak about torrance;
seems to beOK for Lance and those he
approves/respects ... you may not be on
the "forbidden" list?From:
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point,
David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't expect
you to be able to understand this point', 'you are not hearing me on
this last post') IFF you, David, were who you think yourself to be
then, Bill, Caroline, Debbie, Jonathan et al
would've never left. I really do think you've got better
things to do with your time, David. You certainly are not, in some
important areas, leaving a good impression on
TT.
Lance, I am so tired of hearing about Bill,
Caroline, Debbie, and Jonathan
You talk like their absence is some great loss.
It was their choice to leave
and I wish them well but why do you keep
bringing them up constantly. If I am
forbidden to discuss torrance then I would put
the same restriction on you
regarding these four.
As to the "impression left by DavidM on TT" -
even Jesus could not please
all of the people all of the time. IMO he
may not be a perfect man just yet
one who has fully attained but he is
well on the way and he is a godly man ...
who are you to personallyjudge another man's
servant Lance Muir?
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have
read. Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on
this one. I believe God operates with logic, not against
it, yet logic alone cannot lead us into all truth. I don't
expect you to be able to understand at this point, but you should know
that you are not hearing me in this last post. I
make some subtle distinctions that would help you understand me
better if you would take the time to hear
them. David Miller - Original
Message - From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is
the day in Genesis literal or figurative? We've
been here before have we not? IFF you believe that the laws of
logic to which you subscribe are those out of which God operates
then, David. you deceived. What you are practicing is
anthropological theology as against theological
anthropology. - Original Message -
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Repetition, thy name is ...well Judywell David!
Even David, your 'knowing' colleague in all of his lucidity could not make known
to you some things. That was my point, Judy.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 09:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT,
Promises etc
Only we are not talking about me Lance
The subject is you and your mentor. If you know
something that eludes me - then lay it out.
Also you need to tell DavidM and I what nonexistent
promise we lay claim to.
The above is your duty as a professing believer who
sees a brother/sister in a fault
I'm waiting to see the LOVE
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:16:15 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
George Burns used to close his act with his
wife Gracie Allen by saying 'Say goodnight Gracie!, to which Gracie Allen
would reply, 'Goodnight Gracie'
As to your homework on various topics along
with your conviction and sincerity Judy, you get better and better. Many
meanings elude you but, IFO have never thought it intentional thus, my use
of the word 'elude' eh.
From: Judy Taylor
Why would you be embarrassed about torrance being
identified with Reformed
theology and John Calvin when you
personallyinform the list as follows and torrance
quotes these doctrines in his own
writings?
Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of
Knox thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin
thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of
Calvin's NT commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity
Judy, some of what persons say is
worthwhile.
Also Lance you are still remiss
concerningthe following; please explain. What promise?
One can only be appreciative of the contribution made by
yourself and David Miller as to my point of
longstanding concerning 'illumination/interpretation'.
You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise
and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your
writing.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing
was akin to Kevin stating that
DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he
(Kevin) does. Thus 'embarrassment'!
From: Judy
Taylor
Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself who
is not permitted to speak about torrance;
seems to beOK for Lance and those he
approves/respects ... you may not be on
the "forbidden" list?From:
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point,
David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't expect
you to be able to understand this point', 'you are not hearing me
on this last post') IFF you, David, were who you think yourself to
be then, Bill, Caroline, Debbie, Jonathan et
al would've never left. I really do think you've got better
things to do with your time, David. You certainly are not, in some
important areas, leaving a good impression on
TT.
Lance, I am so tired of hearing about Bill,
Caroline, Debbie, and Jonathan
You talk like their absence is some great
loss. It was their choice to leave
and I wish them well but why do you keep
bringing them up constantly. If I am
forbidden to discuss torrance then I would
put the same restriction on you
regarding these four.
As to the "impression left by DavidM on TT" -
even Jesus could not please
all of the people all of the time. IMO
he may not be a perfect man just yet
one who has fully attained but he is
well on the way and he is a godly man ...
who are you to personallyjudge another man's
servant Lance Muir?
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have
read. Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on
this one. I believe God operates with logic, not against
it, yet logic alone cannot lead us into all truth. I
don't expect you to be able to understand at this point, but
you should know that you are not hearing me in this
last post. I make some subtle distinctions that would
help you understand me better if you would take the time to
hear them. D
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
And who is the 'knowing' colleague Lance? George
Burns and Gracie Allen?
Please speak with lucidity and give up the
riddles. What is the nonexistent promise?
You can at least tell us that much
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Repetition, thy name is ...well Judywell
David!
Even David, your 'knowing' colleague in all of
his lucidity could not make known to you some things.
That was my point, Judy.
From: Judy Taylor
Only we are not talking about me Lance
The subject is you and your mentor. If you know
something that eludes me - then lay it out.
Also you need to tell DavidM and I what nonexistent
promise we lay claim to.
The above is your duty as a professing believer who
sees a brother/sister in a fault
I'm waiting to see the LOVE
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:16:15 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
George Burns used to close his act with his
wife Gracie Allen by saying 'Say goodnight Gracie!, to which Gracie Allen
would reply, 'Goodnight Gracie'
As to your homework on various topics along
with your conviction and sincerity Judy, you get better and better. Many
meanings elude you but, IFO have never thought it intentional thus, my use
of the word 'elude' eh.
From: Judy
Taylor
Why would you be embarrassed about torrance
being identified with Reformed
theology and John Calvin when you
personallyinform the list as follows and torrance
quotes these doctrines in his own
writings?
Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of
Knox thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin
thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of
Calvin's NT commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity
Judy, some of what persons say is
worthwhile.
Also Lance you are still remiss
concerningthe following; please explain. What
promise?
One can only be appreciative of the contribution made
by yourself and David Miller as to my point of
longstanding concerning 'illumination/interpretation'.
You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise
and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your
writing.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing
was akin to Kevin stating that
DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he
(Kevin) does. Thus 'embarrassment'!
From: Judy
Taylor
Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself who
is not permitted to speak about torrance;
seems to beOK for Lance and those he
approves/respects ... you may not be on
the "forbidden" list?From:
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point,
David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't
expect you to be able to understand this point', 'you are not
hearing me on this last post') IFF you, David, were who you
think yourself to be then, Bill, Caroline,
Debbie, Jonathan et al would've never left. I really do
think you've got better things to do with your time, David. You
certainly are not, in some important areas, leaving a good impression on TT.
Lance, I am so tired of hearing about Bill,
Caroline, Debbie, and Jonathan
You talk like their absence is some great
loss. It was their choice to leave
and I wish them well but why do you keep
bringing them up constantly. If I am
forbidden to discuss torrance then I would
put the same restriction on you
regarding these four.
As to the "impression left by DavidM on TT"
- even Jesus could not please
all of the people all of the time.
IMO he may not be a perfect man just yet
one who has fully attained but he is
well on the way and he is a godly man ...
who are you to personallyjudge another man's
servant Lance Muir?
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have
read. Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on
this one. I believe God operates with logic, not
against it, yet logic alone cannot lead us into all truth. I
don't expect you to be able to understand at this
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
The 'knowing colleague' to whom I made reference
was David Miller. You and he seem to believe that the two of you apprehend the
Scriptures in a way that I, along with others over the years on TT, simply don't
believe. IMO, you and he believe that you've been promised that such,
misapprehension of meaning, cannot happen.
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 09:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT,
Promises etc
And who is the 'knowing' colleague Lance?
George Burns and Gracie Allen?
Please speak with lucidity and give up the
riddles. What is the nonexistent promise?
You can at least tell us that much
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Repetition, thy name is ...well Judywell
David!
Even David, your 'knowing' colleague in all of
his lucidity could not make known to you some things.
That was my point, Judy.
From: Judy Taylor
Only we are not talking about me
Lance
The subject is you and your mentor. If you know
something that eludes me - then lay it out.
Also you need to tell DavidM and I what
nonexistent promise we lay claim to.
The above is your duty as a professing believer
who sees a brother/sister in a fault
I'm waiting to see the LOVE
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:16:15 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
George Burns used to close his act with his
wife Gracie Allen by saying 'Say goodnight Gracie!, to which Gracie
Allen would reply, 'Goodnight Gracie'
As to your homework on various topics along
with your conviction and sincerity Judy, you get better and better. Many
meanings elude you but, IFO have never thought it intentional thus, my
use of the word 'elude' eh.
From: Judy
Taylor
Why would you be embarrassed about torrance
being identified with Reformed
theology and John Calvin when you
personallyinform the list as follows and torrance
quotes these doctrines in his own
writings?
Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of
Knox thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin
thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of
Calvin's NT commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity
Judy, some of what persons say is
worthwhile.
Also Lance you are still remiss
concerningthe following; please explain. What
promise?
One can only be appreciative of the contribution
made by yourself and David Miller as to my point of
longstanding concerning
'illumination/interpretation'. You both lay claim
to a nonexistent promise
and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your
writing.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were
doing was akin to Kevin stating that
DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he
(Kevin) does. Thus 'embarrassment'!
From: Judy Taylor
Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself
who is not permitted to speak about torrance;
seems to beOK for Lance and those
he approves/respects ... you may not be on
the "forbidden" list?From:
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point,
David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't
expect you to be able to understand this point', 'you are not
hearing me on this last post') IFF you, David, were who you
think yourself to be then, Bill, Caroline,
Debbie, Jonathan et al would've never left. I really do
think you've got better things to do with your time, David.
You certainly are not, in some important areas, leaving a good impression on TT.
Lance, I am so tired of hearing about
Bill, Caroline, Debbie, and Jonathan
You talk like their absence is some great
loss. It was their choice to leave
and I wish them well but why do you keep
bringing them up constantly. If I am
forbidden to discuss torrance then I
would put the same restriction on you
regarding these four.
As to the "
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
You are wrong then; I have been misguided in the past
and I have testified of it
openly on TT. We are warned all over the
scriptures about false prophets and false teachers
However, when he rose Christ gave gifts to the Church.
We also have His Word so there is no
excuse for staying in the ditch - or for constantly
accusing others. We are to put on the whole
armor of God. I see a very definite conflict
between the teaching of God's Word and your
favorite mentors Barth and TFT
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:56:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The 'knowing colleague' to whom I made reference
was David Miller. You and he seem to believe that the two of you apprehend the
Scriptures in a way that I, along with others over the years on TT, simply
don't believe. IMO, you and he believe that you've been promised that such,
misapprehension of meaning, cannot happen.
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 19, 2006 09:44
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT,
Promises etc
And who is the 'knowing' colleague Lance?
George Burns and Gracie Allen?
Please speak with lucidity and give up the
riddles. What is the nonexistent promise?
You can at least tell us that much
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Repetition, thy name is ...well Judywell
David!
Even David, your 'knowing' colleague in all
of his lucidity could not make known to you some things.
That was my point, Judy.
From: Judy
Taylor
Only we are not talking about me
Lance
The subject is you and your mentor. If you know
something that eludes me - then lay it out.
Also you need to tell DavidM and I what
nonexistent promise we lay claim to.
The above is your duty as a professing believer
who sees a brother/sister in a fault
I'm waiting to see the LOVE
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:16:15 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
George Burns used to close his act with
his wife Gracie Allen by saying 'Say goodnight Gracie!, to which
Gracie Allen would reply, 'Goodnight Gracie'
As to your homework on various topics
along with your conviction and sincerity Judy, you get better and
better. Many meanings elude you but, IFO have never thought it
intentional thus, my use of the word 'elude' eh.
From: Judy
Taylor
Why would you be embarrassed about torrance
being identified with Reformed
theology and John Calvin when you
personallyinform the list as follows and torrance
quotes these doctrines in his own
writings?
Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works
of Knox thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin
thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of
Calvin's NT commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity
Judy, some of what persons say is
worthwhile.
Also Lance you are still remiss
concerningthe following; please explain. What
promise?
One can only be appreciative of the contribution
made by yourself and David Miller as to my point of
longstanding concerning
'illumination/interpretation'. You both lay
claim to a nonexistent promise
and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your
writing.
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were
doing was akin to Kevin stating that
DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he
(Kevin) does. Thus 'embarrassment'!
From: Judy Taylor
Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself
who is not permitted to speak about torrance;
seems to beOK for Lance and those
he approves/respects ... you may not be on
the "forbidden"
list?From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this
point, David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I
don't expect you to be able to understand this point', 'you
are not hearing me on this last post') IFF you, David, were
who you t
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
Judy quotes a mentor of Lance: Out of sheer respect for the majesty of the Truth as it is revealed in the Holy Scriptures, we have to do our utmost to speak correctly and exactly about it -that is the meaning of orthodoxy and the way of humility-but when we have done all this, we have still to confess that we are unfaithful servants, that all our efforts fall far short of the truth. Judy wrote: I see a very definite conflict between the teaching of God's Word and your favorite mentors Barth and TFT Judy, which mentor are you quoting above? There is a definite conflict between God's Word and what you quote above. Is there anybody on this list who does not see this conflict? If so, I will elaborate as time permits. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
I see no conflict. -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy quotes a mentor of Lance: Out of sheer respect for the majesty of the Truth as it is revealed in the Holy Scriptures, we have to do our utmost to speak correctly and exactly about it -that is the meaning of orthodoxy and the way of humility-but when we have done all this, we have still to confess that we are unfaithful servants, that all our efforts fall far short of the truth. Judy wrote: I see a very definite conflict between the teaching of God's Word and your favorite mentors Barth and TFT Judy, which mentor are you quoting above? There is a definite conflict between God's Word and what you quote above. & gt; Is there anybody on this list who does not see this conflict? If so, I will elaborate as time permits. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
So if TFT only held to say 75% of calvinism that makes him non REFORMED? Lets just call him the continuosly reformed reformer OK? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would you be embarrassed about torrance being identified with Reformed theology and John Calvin when you personallyinform the list as follows and torrance quotes these doctrines in his own writings?Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of Knox thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of Calvin's NT commentaries. Like all
of redeemed humanity Judy, some of what persons say is worthwhile.Also Lance you are still remiss concerningthe following; please explain. What promise?One can only be appreciative of the contribution made by yourself and David Miller as to my point of longstanding concerning 'illumination/interpretation'. You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your writing.On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing was akin to Kevin stating that DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he (Kevin) does. Thus 'embarrassment'!From: Judy Taylor Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself who is not permitted to speak about torrance; seems to beOK for Lance and those he approves/respects ... you may not be on the "forbidden" list?From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point, David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't expect you to be able to understand this point', 'you are not hearing me on this last post') IFF you, David, were who you think yourself to be then, Bill, Caroline, Debbie, Jonathan et al would've never left. I really do think you've got better things to do with your time, David. You certainly are not, in some important areas, leaving a good impression on TT.Lance, I am so tired of hearing about Bill, Caroline, Debbie, and Jonathan You talk like their absence is some great loss. It was their choice to leave and I wish them well but why do you keep
bringing them up constantly. If I am forbidden to discuss torrance then I would put the same restriction on you regarding these four.As to the "impression left by DavidM on TT" - even Jesus could not please all of the people all of the time. IMO he may not be a perfect man just yet one who has fully attained but he is well on the way and he is a godly man ... who are you to personallyjudge another man's servant Lance Muir?From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have read. Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on this one. I believe God operates with logic, not against it, yet logic alone cannot lead us into all truth. I don't expect you to be able to understand at this point, but you should know that you are not hearing me in this last post. I make some subtle distinctions that would help you understand me better if you would take the time to hear them. David Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in
Genesis literal or figurative? We've been here before have we not? IFF you believe that the laws of logic to which you subscribe are those out of which God operates then, David. you deceived. What you are practicing is anthropological theology as against theological anthropology. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 07:53 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the day in Genesis literal or figurative? Lance wrote: David:Or, the Holy Spirit is not a rationalist. If you define "rationalist" in the more esoteric sense of the idea that reason is the source of truth, then I do not believe the Holy Spirit is a
rationalist. By this definition, I am not a rationalist either. However, I do believe that the Holy Spirit is rational. He also does not lie or employ deception to mislead others. The Holy Spirit uses rational thought to speak to us, and he expects us to include rationality as a basis of belief and action. The position that Genesis 1 is the Holy Spirit not being rational is just a cop out, in my opinion. It is just as bad as the Creationist who uses the cop out explanation for an observation, "God did it" to stop further research and investigation. The truth is not afraid of logical thinking, nor does it contradict logic at any time. David Miller -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
A noun is a noun irrespective of the race, creed or culture of the interpreter!Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'knowing colleague' to whom I made reference was David Miller. You and he seem to believe that the two of you apprehend the Scriptures in a way that I, along with others over the years on TT, simply don't believe. IMO, you and he believe that you've been promised that such, misapprehension of meaning, cannot happen. From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 19, 2006 09:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc And who is the 'knowing' colleague Lance? George Burns and Gracie Allen? Please speak with lucidity and give up the riddles. What is the nonexistent promise? You can at least tell us that muchOn Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:38:02 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Repetition, thy name is ...well Judywell David! Even David, your 'knowing' colleague in all of his lucidity could not make known to you some things. That was my point, Judy.From: Judy Taylor Only we are not talking about me Lance The subject is you and your mentor. If you know something that eludes me - then lay it
out. Also you need to tell DavidM and I what nonexistent promise we lay claim to. The above is your duty as a professing believer who sees a brother/sister in a fault I'm waiting to see the LOVE On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:16:15 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:George Burns used to close his act with his wife Gracie Allen by saying 'Say goodnight Gracie!, to which Gracie Allen would reply, 'Goodnight Gracie'As to your homework on various topics along with your conviction and sincerity Judy, you get better and
better. Many meanings elude you but, IFO have never thought it intentional thus, my use of the word 'elude' eh.From: Judy Taylor Why would you be embarrassed about torrance being identified with Reformed theology and John Calvin when you personallyinform the list as follows and torrance quotes these doctrines in his own writings?Judy: Why indeed! Because he knew the works of Knox thoroughly. He also knew the works of Calvin thoroughly as he was editor of the 22 volumes of Calvin's
NT commentaries. Like all of redeemed humanity Judy, some of what persons say is worthwhile.Also Lance you are still remiss concerningthe following; please explain. What promise?One can only be appreciative of the contribution made by yourself and David Miller as to my point of longstanding concerning 'illumination/interpretation'. You both lay claim to a nonexistent promise and, thereafter exhibit the opposite in your writing.On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 08:52:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Speak of him all you wish, Judy. What you were doing was akin to Kevin stating that DH believes in the same Trinitarian God that he (Kevin) does. Thus 'embarrassment'!From: Judy Taylor Sorry Kevin - I guess it is only myself who is not permitted to speak about torrance; seems to beOK for Lance and those he approves/respects ... you may not be on the "forbidden" list?From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Demonstrate that you and Torrance are 'as one' on this point, David. My goodness but you esteem yourself highly ("I don't expect you to be able to understand this point', 'you are not hearing me on this last post') IFF you, David, were who you think yourself to be then, Bill, Caroline, Debbie, Jonathan et al would've never left. I really do think you've got better things to do with your time, David. You certainly are not, in some important areas, leaving a good impression on TT.Lance, I am so tired of hearing about Bill, Caroline, Debbie, and Jonathan You talk like their absence is some great loss. It was their choice to leave and I wish them well but why do you keep
bringing them up constantly. If I am forbidden to discuss torrance then I would put the same restriction on you regarding these four.As to the "impression left by DavidM on TT" - even Jesus could not please all of the people all of the time. IMO he may not be a perfect man just yet one who has fully attained but he is well on the way and he is a godly man ... who are you to personallyjudge another man's servant Lance Muir?From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, Lance. You are misapplying things you have read. Based on my reading of Torrance, I'm with him on this one. I believe God operates with logic, not against it, yet logic alone cannot lead us into all truth. I don't expect you to be able to understand at this point, but you should know that you are not hearing me in this last post. I make some subtle distinctions that would help you understand me better if you would take the time to hear them. David Miller - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PR
RE: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
When we apprehend Christ, we apprehend Truth. Not that hard to understand, really. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 2:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: David Miller Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc I see no conflict. -- Original message -- From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy quotes a mentor of Lance: Out of sheer respect for the majesty of the Truth as it is revealed in the Holy Scriptures, we have to do our utmost to speak correctly and exactly about it -that is the meaning of orthodoxy and the way of humility-but when we have done all this, we have still to confess that we are unfaithful servants, that all our efforts fall far short of the truth. Judy wrote: I see a very definite conflict between the teaching of God's Word and your favorite mentors Barth and TFT Judy, which mentor are you quoting above? There is a definite conflict between God's Word and what you quote above. gt; Is there anybody on this list who does not see this conflict? If so, I will elaborate as time permits. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..[apprehend, e.g., 2+2=4; icebergs melt fasterastemperature rises; chickens come from eggs, vice versa], apprehend Truth... ||
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myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
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..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
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..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how" means thatPilate knew, implictly,that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..the difference betw her Pilate is that his language, implicitly, his notion of having 'apprehended'JC, is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
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*- ** On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:21:08 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * ..e.g., "Take a guard..Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how"indicates thatPilate[realized]that he never could 'wash his hands' ofJC (who was, quiteinterestingly, apprehending him) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:11:47 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ** ..the difference betw her Pilate[rests inPilateconfronting]his notion of having 'apprehended'JC --- On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:41:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
RE: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc
You can go back to your normal activities now Gary. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:41 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Lance, TFT, Promises etc ..in her psyche, the writer already knows the notion is suspect On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:28:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (note the quotes) On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:51:52 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: .. apprehend Christ.. ||
