[TruthTalk] Thought
Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.
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Now where didthat profound thought came from? What about faith in God by way of the Church Fathers? What is that? On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:31:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.
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Did you at some point in time take a course in rebuttal which abbreviated everything to nya, nya, nay? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 20, 2006 06:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Thought Now where didthat profound thought came from? What about faith in God by way of the Church Fathers? What is that? On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:31:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.
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By Jove, I believe you have nailed !! it goes in my journal !! jd -- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.
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And[Judy's] response is just one more avoidancetechnique Sigh!! -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now where didthat profound thought came from? What about faith in God by way of the Church Fathers? What is that? On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:31:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either faith in Christ is faith in God or, it is idolatry.
Re: [TruthTalk] Thought for the day
Bonhoeffer gives us the thought for theday: Words to this effect -- The historical God in Christ is always contemporary.[ Never provable but always believable. Able to move mountains with a grain of faith but unable to soften a harden heart is that be the willof man.] The incarnate Christdoes not move God the abstract, into the realm ofdefinable reality. Rather, the God of Spirit andGod in the flesh areequally the benefactors of faith. Such is the nature of self-revelation. Faith remains our substance and evidence, our hope in that which is not provable. Build upon it for out of faith comes those convictions that move man forward in all the disciplines of life. Jd
[TruthTalk] Thought for the Day
Thought for the day: Psalm 32 1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. 2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Re: [TruthTalk] Thought for the say via Terry and Smithson
Is this too pentecostal for the some of you? bro John Watchman.Net | Is Jesus Enough? read | write | listen | learn | join Your email address: Is Jesus Enough? by Chip Brogden Email this page | Printer-friendly version "After they had eaten, Jesus asked Simon Peter, 'Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these other things?'" (John 21:15). If Jesus was all you had, would Jesus be enough for you? Many precious believers are in love with the things of the Lord, but they are not in love with the Lord Himself. Many Christian workers and ministers are in love with the Lord's work. Almost without realizing it, the work of the Lord becomes more important than the Lord of the work. There are prophets and teachers who hold words from God in higher esteem than the God Who speaks the words they attribute as being from Him. People seek these words and teachings. The more they receive, the more they want. Before one word is digested they are craving another. They are seeking "things" - words, prophecies, teachings, visions, dreams - but they are not seeking the Lord Himself. Is Jesus enough? When the saints gather together most of the activity is focused on "one another". This is important, but it is not the most important thing. Fellowship is good: but is Jesus enough? Gatherings are good: but is Jesus enough? Meetings are good: but is Jesus enough? Special speakers and special music are good: but is Jesus enough? Even with praise and worship it is possible to sing "about" Jesus and not truly worship Jesus. With preaching and teaching it is possible to talk "about" Jesus and not truly meet Jesus in what is shared. In prayer it is possible to talk "about" our needs and never actually commune with Jesus Himself. Among Christians I have discovered something. There is Jesus, and then there are all the things ABOUT Jesus that are NOT Jesus. Jesus Himself occupies only a small portion of what is said and done in Christian circles. Most of what is said and done is merely ABOUT Jesus, but it is NOT Jesus. I have learned that stress, strife, disillusionment, dissatisfaction, bitterness, anger, hurt, misunderstanding, and confusion comes from everything said and done by religious people ABOUT the Lord, and IN THE NAME of the Lord, that does not, in fact, have anything to do with Jesus Himself. How much of your focus is directed to the things of God, and not to God Himself? How much of your discussion centers on things about Jesus, and not Jesus Himself? Just look around. This brother is focused on end-time events, and that sister is devoted to inner healing. This brother is primarily concerned with prophetic things, while another sister is keenly interested in spiritual warfare. That brother is deeply involved with theological discussions, while that sister is in love with Christian music. One movement emphasizes this particular thing, and another group stands for another thing. There may be diversities of gifts and callings. There may be various and sundry things to be involved with. There may be many topics to study and discuss. Many things compete for our time, attention, affection, energy, and money. But there is only one Lord Jesus. Just as some people cannot see the forest for the trees, I believe most sinners cannot see Jesus for the Christians. And I believe most Christians cannot see Jesus for the "church". Is Jesus enough? Whenever I am ministering to pastors, whatever they think their calling is, I always have them turn to Mark 3:14: "And he ordained twelve, that they should BE WITH HIM, and that He might send them forth to preach." You are called to be with Jesus. That is your calling. That is the primary thing, the highest ministry. Going forth to preach or do anything else is of secondary importance. We should be with Jesus; after that, He might send us forth to preach. But before Jesus said, "Go into all the world" He said, "Be with Me." The call of the Lord is not more important than the Lord of the call. The work of the Lord must not replace the Lord of the work. No amount of ministering FOR the Lord will make up for a lack of ministering TO the Lord. And knowing the Word of God does not necessarily mean that we know the God of the Word. Everyone wants to go and do something for God, but few people are willing to stay and do "nothing" for Him. Jesus asked Peter, "Am I enough for You? Do you love Me more than everything else? Do you love Me more than you love the things about Me?" A few weeks later, when Peter stood with John before the religious rulers to explain the healing of a man who had never walked, "...they marveled; and they took knowledge of [Peter and John], that THEY HAD BEEN WITH JESUS" (Acts 4:13b). If we will be with Jesus, then Jesus will be with us. The reason the New Testament church had power was not because they
Re: [TruthTalk] Thought for the say via Terry and Smithson
Excellent article. The idea that Christ is actually alive and well, not only in His dimension of choice, but within us is something that so many miss. JD In a message dated 7/30/2004 11:18:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is this too pentecostal for the some of you? bro John Watchman.Net | Is Jesus Enough? read | write | listen | learn | join Your email address: Is Jesus Enough? by Chip Brogden Email this page | Printer-friendly version "After they had eaten, Jesus asked Simon Peter, 'Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these other things?'" (John 21:15). If Jesus was all you had, would Jesus be enough for you? Many precious believers are in love with the things of the Lord, but they are not in love with the Lord Himself. Many Christian workers and ministers are in love with the Lord's work. Almost without realizing it, the work of the Lord becomes more important than the Lord of the work. There are prophets and teachers who hold words from God in higher esteem than the God Who speaks the words they attribute as being from Him. People seek these words and teachings. The more they receive, the more they want. Before one word is digested they are craving another. They are seeking "things" - words, prophecies, teachings, visions, dreams - but they are not seeking the Lord Himself. Is Jesus enough? When the saints gather together most of the activity is focused on "one another". This is important, but it is not the most important thing. Fellowship is good: but is Jesus enough? Gatherings are good: but is Jesus enough? Meetings are good: but is Jesus enough? Special speakers and special music are good: but is Jesus enough? Even with praise and worship it is possible to sing "about" Jesus and not truly worship Jesus. With preaching and teaching it is possible to talk "about" Jesus and not truly meet Jesus in what is shared. In prayer it is possible to talk "about" our needs and never actually commune with Jesus Himself. Among Christians I have discovered something. There is Jesus, and then there are all the things ABOUT Jesus that are NOT Jesus. Jesus Himself occupies only a small portion of what is said and done in Christian circles. Most of what is said and done is merely ABOUT Jesus, but it is NOT Jesus. I have learned that stress, strife, disillusionment, dissatisfaction, bitterness, anger, hurt, misunderstanding, and confusion comes from everything said and done by religious people ABOUT the Lord, and IN THE NAME of the Lord, that does not, in fact, have anything to do with Jesus Himself. How much of your focus is directed to the things of God, and not to God Himself? How much of your discussion centers on things about Jesus, and not Jesus Himself? Just look around. This brother is focused on end-time events, and that sister is devoted to inner healing. This brother is primarily concerned with prophetic things, while another sister is keenly interested in spiritual warfare. That brother is deeply involved with theological discussions, while that sister is in love with Christian music. One movement emphasizes this particular thing, and another group stands for another thing. There may be diversities of gifts and callings. There may be various and sundry things to be involved with. There may be many topics to study and discuss. Many things compete for our time, attention, affection, energy, and money. But there is only one Lord Jesus. Just as some people cannot see the forest for the trees, I believe most sinners cannot see Jesus for the Christians. And I believe most Christians cannot see Jesus for the "church". Is Jesus enough? Whenever I am ministering to pastors, whatever they think their calling is, I always have them turn to Mark 3:14: "And he ordained twelve, that they should BE WITH HIM, and that He might send them forth to preach." You are called to be with Jesus. That is your calling. That is the primary thing, the highest ministry. Going forth to preach or do anything else is of secondary importance. We should be with Jesus; after that, He might send us forth to preach. But before Jesus said, "Go into all the world" He said, "Be with Me." The call of the Lord is not more important than the Lord of the call. The work of the Lord must not replace the Lord of the work. No amount of ministering FOR the Lord will make up for a lack of ministering TO the Lord. And knowing the Word of God does not necessarily mean that we know the God of the Word. Everyone wants to go and do something for God, but few people are willing to stay and do "nothing" for Him. Jesus asked Peter, "Am I enough for You? Do you love Me more than everything else? Do you love Me more than you love the things about Me?" A few weeks later, when Peter stood with John before the religious rulers to explain the healing of a man who
Re: [TruthTalk] Thought for the say via Terry and Smithson
In a message dated 7/31/2004 1:23:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excellent article. The idea that Christ is actually alive and well, not only in His dimension of choice, but within us is something that so many miss. I agree totally. Keep up the good work Yours trully. John
Re: [TruthTalk] Thought for the say via Terry and Smithson
In a message dated 7/31/2004 1:24:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excellent article. The idea that Christ is actually alive and well, not only in His dimension of choice, but within us is something that so many miss. I agree totally. Keep up the good work Yours trully. Thanks and good night. Yours truly -- back atcha. Jack
Re: [TruthTalk] Thought for the say via Terry and Smithson
Maybe we should require ourselves to read this again from time to time. Might help us keep our eye on the doughnut, and not on the hole. Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this too pentecostal for the some of you? bro John Watchman.Net | Is Jesus Enough? read | write | listen | learn | join Your email address: Is Jesus Enough? by Chip Brogden Email this page | Printer-friendly version "After they had eaten, Jesus asked Simon Peter, 'Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me more than these other things?'" (John 21:15). If Jesus was all you had, would Jesus be enough for you? Many precious believers are in love with the things of the Lord, but they are not in love with the Lord Himself. Many Christian workers and ministers are in love with the Lord's work. Almost without realizing it, the work of the Lord becomes more important than the Lord of the work. There are prophets and teachers who hold words from God in higher esteem than the God Who speaks the words they attribute as being from Him. People seek these words and teachings. The more they receive, the more they want. Before one word is digested they are craving another. They are seeking "things" - words, prophecies, teachings, visions, dreams - but they are not seeking the Lord Himself. Is Jesus enough? When the saints gather together most of the activity is focused on "one another". This is important, but it is not the most important thing. Fellowship is good: but is Jesus enough? Gatherings are good: but is Jesus enough? Meetings are good: but is Jesus enough? Special speakers and special music are good: but is Jesus enough? Even with praise and worship it is possible to sing "about" Jesus and not truly worship Jesus. With preaching and teaching it is possible to talk "about" Jesus and not truly meet Jesus in what is shared. In prayer it is possible to talk "about" our needs and never actually commune with Jesus Himself. Among Christians I have discovered something. There is Jesus, and then there are all the things ABOUT Jesus that are NOT Jesus. Jesus Himself occupies only a small portion of what is said and done in Christian circles. Most of what is said and done is merely ABOUT Jesus, but it is NOT Jesus. I have learned that stress, strife, disillusionment, dissatisfaction, bitterness, anger, hurt, misunderstanding, and confusion comes from everything said and done by religious people ABOUT the Lord, and IN THE NAME of the Lord, that does not, in fact, have anything to do with Jesus Himself. How much of your focus is directed to the things of God, and not to God Himself? How much of your discussion centers on things about Jesus, and not Jesus Himself? Just look around. This brother is focused on end-time events, and that sister is devoted to inner healing. This brother is primarily concerned with prophetic things, while another sister is keenly interested in spiritual warfare. That brother is deeply involved with theological discussions, while that sister is in love with Christian music. One movement emphasizes this particular thing, and another group stands for another thing. There may be diversities of gifts and callings. There may be various and sundry things to be involved with. There may be many topics to study and discuss. Many things compete for our time, attention, affection, energy, and money. But there is only one Lord Jesus. Just as some people cannot see the forest for the trees, I believe most sinners cannot see Jesus for the Christians. And I believe most Christians cannot see Jesus for the "church". Is Jesus enough? Whenever I am ministering to pastors, whatever they think their calling is, I always have them turn to Mark 3:14: "And he ordained twelve, that they should BE WITH HIM, and that He might send them forth to preach." You are called to be with Jesus. That is your calling. That is the primary thing, the highest ministry. Going forth to preach or do anything else is of secondary importance. We should be with Jesus; after that, He might send us forth to preach. But before Jesus said, "Go into all the world" He said, "Be with Me." The call of the Lord is not more important than the Lord of the call. The work of the Lord must not replace the Lord of the work. No amount of ministering FOR the Lord will make up for a lack of ministering TO the Lord. And knowing the Word of God does not necessarily mean that we know the God of the Word. Everyone wants to go and do something for God, but few people are willing to stay and do "nothing" for Him. Jesus asked Peter, "Am I enough for You? Do you love Me more than everything else? Do you love Me more than you love the things about Me?" A few weeks later, when Peter stood with
Re: [TruthTalk] Thought for the say via Terry and Smithson
If there is a failure in the Church today it is this: we live as natural, earth-bound, flesh-and-blood people who speak great things but do not live what we speak. There is no heavenly distinctiveness about us, little reality about us which suggests this other-worldliness of which we claim. We live as "mere men", religious men, even spiritual men, but not as citizens of heaven. http://www.watchman.net/ Great site, Terry -- at least at first glance. Smithson
