Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Lance Muir 



I'd be more inclined to ask that we attend to the 
part played by Christians in generating such a celebration of one's heritage. 
Yes, dearest detractors, I do comprehend that it was not we alone who are 
accountable for the 'African diaspora' .Arabs, Africans themselves, along with 
other nations, long before we came onto the scene, played a part.

Sorry Iz, but I do not think that we ought to be so 
identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing is what long ago precipitated my loss 
of interest in SNL.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: ShieldsFamily 
  Sent: November 28, 2005 07:01
  Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  
  
  This is a WorldNetDaily 
  printer-friendly version of the article which follows. To view this item 
  online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25998 
  
  
  Thursday, 
  January 10, 2002
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Did you 
  have a happy Kwanzaa?
  
  
  
  By Joseph Farah
  
  
  
  ©2002WorldNetDaily.com 
  
  I'm a 
  little late in asking, forgive me. 
  But, did 
  you have a happy Kwanzaa? 
  I know 
  the celebration officially ended 10 days ago, but the news has kept me busy 
  until now. 
  President 
  Bush was quicker to the trigger than I was. 
  Back on 
  Dec. 20 – a full six days before onset of this very spiritual weeklong rite – 
  he sent "warm greetings to all who are celebrating Kwanzaa." It gave me a warm 
  and fuzzy feeling all over – even though I don't personally celebrate this 
  sacred event. 
  Why did 
  Bush issue a proclamation on Kwanzaa? Well, he explained that this important 
  holiday was established in 1966 as an African-American celebration of "family, 
  community and culture. The seven-day observance, beginning Dec. 26 and ending 
  Jan. 1, serves as a special time to recognize and reaffirm the Nguzo Saba, or 
  Seven Principles, of African culture. These are unity, self-determination, 
  collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity 
  and faith." 
  Bush 
  continued: "Kwanzaa provides an opportunity for people of African heritage 
  regardless of their religious background or faith, to come together and to 
  show reverence for their Creator and creation, to commemorate the past, to 
  recommit to high ideals, and to celebrate the good life. These life-affirming 
  traditions take on particular resonance this year, as the United States 
  and the world face new challenges to peace. As individuals, families and 
  communities take part in this celebration of unity and enduring values, I 
  extend best wishes to people throughout the globe for a wonderful and 
  memorable Kwanzaa." 
  Touching, 
  moving, multi-cultural. 
  Bush was 
  correct in pointing out that this new high holy day is a very recent 
  invention. There are few holidays we can actually attribute to one man's 
  vision. Kwanzaa is such a holiday – coined by Ron Karenga in 1966. 
  
  Who was 
  Ron Karenga? 
  Glad you 
  asked. 
  He is a 
  convicted felon – sentenced five years after inventing Kwanzaa for torturing 
  two black women by whipping them with electrical cords and beating them with a 
  karate baton after stripping them naked. He placed in the mouth of one of the 
  victims a hot soldering iron, also scarring her face with the device. He put 
  one of her big toes in a vise, and detergent and running water in both of 
  their mouths. 
  But that 
  wasn't the beginning of the bizarre and violent behavior of Karenga, the 
  patron saint of Kwanzaa – not by a long shot. 
  Just 
  about the time he was dreaming up this new holiday, he was also inventing a 
  new political movement on the campus of UCLA. That movement was called "black 
  cultural nationalism." His group was called United Slaves. And it was defined 
  mainly by violent confrontations with the Black Panthers at UCLA. Two of his 
  followers shot dead two members of the Panthers in 1969. 
  
  But no 
  sooner did Karenga get out of prison on the torture charges in 1975 than all 
  was forgotten about his criminal and violent past. He was proclaimed Saint 
  Karenga. Four years later, he was running the Black Studies Department at 
  California State University in Long Beach. 
  How did 
  he get that job in academia with his record? 
  Glad you 
  asked again. 
  Paul 
  Mulshine, who has done an admirable job of chronicling Karenga's history for 
  FrontPagemag.com, has a theory. 
  
  Karenga 
  had a jailhouse conversion. 
  No, he 
  did not become a born-again Christian. He did not renounce violence. He did 
  not even repudiate his past. But he did become a Marxist. 
  
  And, 
  while becoming a Christian might have disqualified him for a role in the world 
  of the modern U.S. university, a conversion to 
  Marxism was perceived as a sign of rehabilitation. The one-time psychopath had 
  seen the light. 
  In 
  conclusion, I hope this little cultural and history lesson helps you see

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread ShieldsFamily 








Lance, you think we should not be
identified with or as what? And what is SNL? (Super Natural Living?) Your
biggest concern is the part played by Christians in slaveryis that your
point? Please say it aint so. iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005
6:12 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]
Happy Kwanza?







I'd be more inclined to ask that we attend to the part
played by Christians in generating such a celebration of one's heritage. Yes,
dearest detractors, I do comprehend that it was not we alone who are
accountable for the 'African diaspora' .Arabs, Africans themselves, along with
other nations, long before we came onto the scene, played a part.











Sorry Iz, but I do not think
that we ought to be so identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing
is what long ago precipitated my loss of interest in SNL.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Lance Muir 



It IS so. Your response?



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: November 28, 2005 07:28
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  
  Lance, you think we 
  should not be identified with or as what? And what is SNL? (Super 
  Natural Living?) Your biggest concern is the part played by Christians in 
  slavery—is that your point? Please say it ain’t so. 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:12 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  
  I'd be more inclined to ask that 
  we attend to the part played by Christians in generating such a celebration of 
  one's heritage. Yes, dearest detractors, I do comprehend that it was not we 
  alone who are accountable for the 'African diaspora' .Arabs, Africans 
  themselves, along with other nations, long before we came onto the scene, 
  played a part.
  
  
  
  Sorry Iz, but I do not think that we ought to be so 
  identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing is what long ago 
  precipitated my loss of interest in 
  SNL.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Judy Taylor 



Oh Lance - and what is that?

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:12:28 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I'd be more inclined to ask that we attend to the part played by Christians in generating 
  such a celebration of one's heritage. Yes, dearest detractors, I do comprehend 
  that it was not we alone who are accountable for the 'African diaspora' 
  .Arabs, Africans themselves, along with other nations, long before we came 
  onto the scene, played a part.
  
  Sorry Iz, but I do not think that we ought to be 
  so identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing is what long ago precipitated my 
  loss of interest in SNL.
  _
  
Kwanzaa is such a holiday – coined by Ron 
Karenga in 1966. 

Who was 
Ron Karenga? 
Glad 
you asked. 
He is a 
convicted felon – sentenced five years after inventing Kwanzaa for torturing 
two black women by whipping them with electrical cords and beating them with 
a karate baton after stripping them naked. He placed in the mouth of one of 
the victims a hot soldering iron, also scarring her face with the device. He 
put one of her big toes in a vise, and detergent and running water in both 
of their mouths. 
But 
that wasn't the beginning of the bizarre and violent behavior of Karenga, 
the patron saint of Kwanzaa – not by a long shot. 

Just 
about the time he was dreaming up this new holiday, he was also inventing a 
new political movement on the campus of UCLA. That movement was called 
"black cultural nationalism." His group was called United Slaves. And it was 
defined mainly by violent confrontations with the Black Panthers at UCLA. 
Two of his followers shot dead two members of the Panthers in 1969. 

But no 
sooner did Karenga get out of prison on the torture charges in 1975 than all 
was forgotten about his criminal and violent past. He was proclaimed Saint 
Karenga. Four years later, he was running the Black Studies Department at 
California State University in Long Beach. 
How did 
he get that job in academia with his record? 
Glad 
you asked again. 
Paul 
Mulshine, who has done an admirable job of chronicling Karenga's history for 
FrontPagemag.com, has a theory. 

Karenga 
had a jailhouse conversion. 
No, he 
did not become a born-again Christian. He did not renounce violence. He did 
not even repudiate his past. But he did become a Marxist. 

And, 
while becoming a Christian might have disqualified him for a role in the 
world of the modern U.S. university, a conversion to 
Marxism was perceived as a sign of rehabilitation. The one-time psychopath 
had seen the light. 
In 
conclusion, I hope this little cultural and history lesson helps you see the 
light – about Kwanzaa. It's being taught to your kids in your government 
schools. It's become a commercial bonanza in black communities through the 
United 
States. And, now, even the president of the 
United 
States is praising it as a legitimate 
holiday. 
Good grief. What's wrong with America?
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread ShieldsFamily 








That is such blatant, predictable
politically correct liberal-speak! Move on to something original, Lance. Try
to react to the actual article issues about Kwanzas founder being a despicable
human being; and not with politico-speech-thought about it being the fault of Christians.
iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005
6:46 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]
Happy Kwanza?







It IS so. Your response?



















- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: November 28, 2005
07:28





Subject: RE: [Bulk]
[TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?









Lance, you think we should not be
identified with or as what? And what is SNL? (Super Natural Living?) Your
biggest concern is the part played by Christians in slaveryis that your
point? Please say it aint so. iz











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005
6:12 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]
Happy Kwanza?







I'd be more inclined to ask that we attend to the part
played by Christians in generating such a celebration of one's heritage. Yes,
dearest detractors, I do comprehend that it was not we alone who are
accountable for the 'African diaspora' .Arabs, Africans themselves, along with
other nations, long before we came onto the scene, played a part.











Sorry Iz, but I do not think
that we ought to be so identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing
is what long ago precipitated my loss of interest in SNL.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Judy Taylor 



Ppl in denial Iz have got to find somebody or group to 
blame - it's like a scapegoat mentality.
However, the real culprit - SIN - is never ever 
mentioned.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:58 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  That is such blatant, 
  predictable politically correct liberal-speak! Move on to something 
  original, Lance. Try to react to the actual article issues about 
  Kwanzas founder being a despicable human being; and not with 
  politico-speech-thought about it being the fault of Christians. 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirSent: Monday, November 
  28, 2005 6:46 AMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  
  It IS so. Your 
  response?
  
  
  
  
  

- Original Message - 


From: ShieldsFamily 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: 
November 28, 2005 07:28

    Subject: RE: 
    [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?


Lance, you think we 
should not be identified with or as what? And what is SNL? (Super 
Natural Living?) Your biggest concern is the part played by Christians in 
slaveryis that your point? Please say it aint so. 
iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:12 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
Kwanza?


I'd be more inclined to ask that 
we attend to the part played by Christians in generating such a celebration 
of one's heritage. Yes, dearest detractors, I do comprehend that it was not 
we alone who are accountable for the 'African diaspora' .Arabs, Africans 
themselves, along with other nations, long before we came onto the scene, 
played a part.



Sorry Iz, but I do not think that we ought to be so 
identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing is what long ago 
precipitated my loss of interest in 
SNL.
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Lance Muir 



A welcome back to the good old TT!! What 
with Judy SNL'ing' Calvin and Iz speaking from the 'golden EIB microphone'; 
ain't it good to have things back on a more pleasant footing?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: November 28, 2005 08:36
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  
  That is such blatant, 
  predictable politically correct liberal-speak! Move on to something 
  original, Lance. Try to react to the actual article issues about 
  Kwanza’s founder being a despicable human being; and not with 
  politico-speech-thought about it being the fault of “Christians”. 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:46 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  
  It IS so. Your 
  response?
  
  
  
  
  

- Original Message - 


From: ShieldsFamily 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: 
November 28, 2005 07:28

Subject: RE: 
[Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?


Lance, you think we 
should not be identified with or as what? And what is SNL? (Super 
Natural Living?) Your biggest concern is the part played by Christians in 
slavery—is that your point? Please say it ain’t so. 
iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:12 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
Kwanza?


I'd be more inclined to ask that 
we attend to the part played by Christians in generating such a celebration 
of one's heritage. Yes, dearest detractors, I do comprehend that it was not 
we alone who are accountable for the 'African diaspora' .Arabs, Africans 
themselves, along with other nations, long before we came onto the scene, 
played a part.



Sorry Iz, but I do not think that we ought to be so 
identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing is what long ago 
precipitated my loss of interest in 
SNL.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Lance Muir 



Judy: Do you believe it possible that a believer 
can be sinning in their speech yet not know it?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: November 28, 2005 08:42
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  Ppl in denial Iz have got to find somebody or group 
  to blame - it's like a scapegoat mentality.
  However, the real culprit - SIN - is never ever 
  mentioned.
  
  On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:58 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

That is such 
blatant, predictable politically correct liberal-speak! Move on to 
something original, Lance. Try to react to the actual article issues 
about Kwanza’s founder being a despicable human being; and not with 
politico-speech-thought about it being the fault of “Christians”. 
iz





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirSent: Monday, November 
28, 2005 6:46 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
Kwanza?


It IS so. Your 
response?





  
  - Original Message - 
  
  
  From: ShieldsFamily 
  
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  November 28, 2005 07:28
  
  Subject: RE: 
      [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?
  
  
  Lance, you think 
  we should not be identified with or as what? And what is SNL? (Super 
  Natural Living?) Your biggest concern is the part played by Christians in 
  slavery—is that your point? Please say it ain’t so. 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:12 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  
  I'd be more inclined to ask 
  that we attend to the part played by Christians in generating such a 
  celebration of one's heritage. Yes, dearest detractors, I do comprehend 
  that it was not we alone who are accountable for the 'African diaspora' 
  .Arabs, Africans themselves, along with other nations, long before we came 
  onto the scene, played a part.
  
  
  
  Sorry Iz, but I do not think that we ought to be so 
  identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing is what long ago 
  precipitated my loss of interest in 
  SNL.
 
  judyt 
  He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
  Commandments 
  is a liar (1 John 2:4)

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Terry Clifton 




{:-)
Lance Muir wrote:

  
  

  
  A welcome back to the good
old TT!! What with Judy SNL'ing' Calvin and Iz speaking from the
'golden EIB microphone'; ain't it good to have things back on a more
pleasant footing?

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread knpraise 

Well, Lance, you did ask for a response !! :-)-Original Message-From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:58 -0600Subject: RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?






That is such blatant, predictable politically correct liberal-speak! Move on to something original, Lance. Try to react to the actual article issues about Kwanza's founder being a despicable human being; and not with politico-speech-thought about it being the fault of "Christians". iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?


It IS so. Your response?






- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: November 28, 2005 07:28

Subject: RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?


Lance, you think we should not be identified with or as what? And what is SNL? (Super Natural Living?) Your biggest concern is the part played by Christians in slavery-is that your point? Please say it ain't so. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:12 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?


I'd be more inclined to ask that we attend to the part played by Christians in generating such a celebration of one's heritage. Yes, dearest detractors, I do comprehend that it was not we alone who are accountable for the 'African diaspora' .Arabs, Africans themselves, along with other nations, long before we came onto the scene, played a part.



Sorry Iz, but I do not think that we ought to be so identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing is what long ago precipitated my loss of interest in SNL.

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?

2005-11-28 Thread Judy Taylor 



Not if they are walking after the Spirit; I believe 
worldliness in speech and action is sin because a
friend of the world is God's enemy.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:58:07 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Judy: Do you believe it possible that a believer 
  can be sinning in their speech yet not know it?
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: November 28, 2005 08:42
    Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
Kwanza?

Ppl in denial Iz have got to find somebody or group 
to blame - it's like a scapegoat mentality.
However, the real culprit - SIN - is never ever 
mentioned.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:36:58 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  That is such 
  blatant, predictable politically correct liberal-speak! Move on to 
  something original, Lance. Try to react to the actual article issues 
  about Kwanza’s founder being a despicable human being; and not with 
  politico-speech-thought about it being the fault of “Christians”. 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:46 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy 
  Kwanza?
  
  
  It IS so. Your 
  response?
  
  
  
  
  

- Original Message - 


From: ShieldsFamily 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: 
November 28, 2005 07:28
    
Subject: RE: 
    [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Happy Kwanza?


Lance, you 
think we should not be identified with or as what? And what is 
SNL? (Super Natural Living?) Your biggest concern is the part played by 
Christians in slavery—is that your point? Please say it ain’t so. 
iz





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Monday, November 28, 2005 
6:12 AMTo: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] 
Happy Kwanza?


I'd be more inclined to ask 
that we attend to the part played by Christians in generating such a 
celebration of one's heritage. Yes, dearest detractors, I do comprehend 
that it was not we alone who are accountable for the 'African diaspora' 
.Arabs, Africans themselves, along with other nations, long before we 
came onto the scene, played a part.



Sorry Iz, but I do not think that we ought to be so 
identified. (For Judy) This sort of thing is what long ago 
precipitated my loss of interest in 
SNL.
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)
   
judyt 
He that says "I know Him" and doesn't keep His 
Commandments 
is a liar (1 John 2:4)