Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
Don't wait up all night looking for a response. Jd -Original Message-From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 02:19:03 -0400Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Hughes Jonathan even if an angel from heaven I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in Eden. After all, despite popular mythology, we don't have a biblical text that specifically points out when Satan fell. Moreover, elsewhere in Scripture, angels are teachers of human beings - indeed, angel means messenger. Furthermore, as I think I noted recently, God pronounces a curse upon the serpent specifically in connection with his deception of Adam and Eve; it could be argued that this is the initial curse against Satan. Hmmm I don't have to ask who the author of this is. Legitimate teaching task? Only if you want to learn the lie; what do you expect the Father of lies to teach? We do have a biblical text that tells us Satan fell from the third heaven with the angels who rebelled with him, no date but it was before God created AE. I'd like to see somewhere in scripture where angelsteach. A messenger announces something and/or delivers a message. A teacher teaches. But it strikes me that there is one further possible line of evidence: Galatians 1.8. "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." It seems to me that it is not much of a stretch to think that Paul is alluding to Satan coming as a messenger from heaven and "preaching" something other than what had already been preached to Adam and Eve - namely, the words of God in Genesis 2.16-17. This is only fortified by the resultant curse upon the serpent in Gen 3.14-15 and Paul's use of the term anathema. The point then would not be that the serpent/Satan was not supposed to be in the garden - he had a legitimate teaching task. But he "preached another message," and Adam and Eve's calling was to judge it in terms of the message they had already received. AE were to fellowship with and obey God and when they chose to obey the voice with the opposite message they lost it. This again opens up a further interesting door upon what the serpent was doing, if the analogy goes further. Paul is speaking of those who are offering "a different gospel," or rather, not another one, but a perversion of the gospel that they had heard. Suggesting, if the parallel holds, that Satan wasn't just telling nothing but lies; rather, he was twisting the truth that they knew. All very interesting possibilities which deserve further reflection and investigation, it seems to me. And.. Should we give our pulpits over to Satan now as the teacher?? http://rabbisaul.com/blog/index.php?title=even_if_an_angel_from_heavenmore=1c=1tb=1pb=1#comments This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above.Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents s'y rattachant contiennent de l'information confidentielle et privilégiée. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire visé, s.v.p. en informer immédiatement son expéditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et détruire toute copie (électronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visé est interdite et peut être illégale. Merci de votre coopération relativement au message susmentionné.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
Lance Muir did not make that submission I've no idea who did. - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 05, 2005 01:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized for suggesting the same. Has JJ received a lot of similar criticism from other Christians?Lance Muir wrote: even if an angel from heaven I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in Eden.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
Whoops! I now believe that I forwarded something received from my friend, Jonathan. Sorry 'bout that. - Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: June 05, 2005 01:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized for suggesting the same. Has JJ received a lot of similar criticism from other Christians?Lance Muir wrote: even if an angel from heaven I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in Eden.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
Unfortunately, many already have. Izzy And.. Should we give our pulpits over to Satan now as the teacher??
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
Does JJ suggest that Satan is Jesus Brother?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized for suggesting the same. Has JJ received a lot of similar criticism from other Christians?Lance Muir wrote: even if an angel from heaven I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in Eden.-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized for suggesting the same. Has JJ received a lot of similar criticism from other Christians? Lance Muir wrote: even if an angel from heaven I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in Eden. -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
Satan a legitimate teacher? Angels? Tell the "Angels"to go back to the PIT where they came from. Satan wasn't just telling nothing but lies; rather, he was twisting the truth that they knew. He was twisting what? The WORDS of God. Still actively twisting today. Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 03, 2005 16:39 Subject: Satan even if an angel from heaven I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in Eden. After all, despite popular mythology, we don't have a biblical text that specifically points out when Satan fell. Moreover, elsewhere in Scripture, angels are teachers of human beings - indeed, angel means messenger. Furthermore, as I think I noted recently, God pronounces a curse upon the serpent specifically in connection with his deception of Adam and Eve; it could be argued that this is the initial curse against Satan. But it strikes me that there is one further possible line of evidence: Galatians 1.8. "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." It seems to me that it is not much of a stretch to think that Paul is alluding to Satan coming as a messenger from heaven and "preaching" something other than what had already been preached to Adam and Eve - namely, the words of God in Genesis 2.16-17. This is only fortified by the resultant curse upon the serpent in Gen 3.14-15 and Paul's use of the term anathema. The point then would not be that the serpent/Satan was not supposed to be in the garden - he had a legitimate teaching task. But he "preached another message," and Adam and Eve's calling was to judge it in terms of the message they had already received. This again opens up a further interesting door upon what the serpent was doing, if the analogy goes further. Paul is speaking of those who are offering "a different gospel," or rather, not another one, but a perversion of the gospel that they had heard. Suggesting, if the parallel holds, that Satan wasn't just telling nothing but lies; rather, he was twisting the truth that they knew. All very interesting possibilities which deserve further reflection and investigation, it seems to me. http://rabbisaul.com/blog/index.php?title=even_if_an_angel_from_heavenmore=1c=1tb=1pb=1#comments This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above.Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents s’y rattachant contiennent de l’information confidentielle et privilégiée. Si vous n’êtes pas le destinataire visé, s.v.p. en informer immédiatement son expéditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et détruire toute copie (électronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visé est interdite et peut être illégale. Merci de votre coopération relativement au message susmentionné. Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
