Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

2006-02-20 Thread Lance Muir 



Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often the 
case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two quite 
different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know that I don't 
have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. What I do have 
difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with the presence of 
the absence of holiness.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
  Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness
  
   
  Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should buy 
  and stock his book Lance...
   
  
  Reflections on Holiness 
  The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the 
  state of faith in America, caused the survey’s director, George Barna, to 
  suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
  “Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church 
  and read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or 
  significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore 
  do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a 
  remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged 
  in its pursuit. The challenge to the nation’s Christian ministries is to 
  foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love God 
  but who are ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness.” 
   
  From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' in 
  2 parts:
   
  1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak as 
  believer to believer.
   
  2.Achieve? It all depends 
  upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this 
  whole conversation.
   
  thanks for your input,
   
  Lance
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present 
Indicative


Lance the following may be of help you because 
this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He believes 
it is possible.
You do not  judyt
 
The Barna Update: February 20, 2006 “Be holy because I am 
holy” are God’s words to His people. Buthow many 
Christians believe that God has called them to be holy –or that 
achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they 
consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our newest 
survey examines Americans’ views ofholiness and reflects on the 
implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the 
health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below 
or visit our website atwww.barna.org.
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:> Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm 
sure that > you've > not failed to note my own 'cranial 
density' on more than a few > occasions. I > trust that it is 
obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to > obtain > 
scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the > 
sinless > ones' in order that I may move on to other things.> 
> Those who do not sin = believers?> Those who sin = 
non-believers?> > It was your employment of the word 
'addiction' that caught my > attention, > David.> 
> > - Original Message - > From: "David Miller" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
To: > 
Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present 
Indicative> > > > Lance wrote:> >> 
David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that> >> might 
exist between:> >> 1. Those who are born of God do not sin. 
&> >> 2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to 
sin.> >> > I'm not sure what you are looking for here, 
Lance.  The > distinction seems> > rather 
obvious.  Those born of God do not sin while those addicted > to 
sin> > do.  There is a commonality between the two 
people:  they both > have a > > flesh> > 
which is a source of temptation.  The difference is that one > 
follows the> > Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of love, 
while the other > continues > > to> > yield to 
his carnal desires.> >> > Lance wrote:> >> 
David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'> >> 
> All the commandments are summed up in the commandments to love God 
> and > > love> > your neighbor.  There are 
many other commandments also, but they > are > > 
summed> > up in these two.> >> > Some passages 
for your consideration, illustrating some details > about how 
> > to> > love God and love your neighbor:> 
>> > Luke 18:18-22> > (18) And a certain ruler asked 
him, saying, Good Master, what > shall I d

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

2006-02-20 Thread Judy Taylor 



In your opinion Lance?
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:50:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often the 
  case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two quite 
  different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know that I 
  don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. What I do 
  have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with the 
  presence of the absence of holiness.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness

 
Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should 
buy and stock his book Lance...
 

Reflections on Holiness 
The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the 
state of faith in America, caused the survey’s director, George Barna, to 
suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
“Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church 
and read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or 
significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore 
do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a 
remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged 
in its pursuit. The challenge to the nation’s Christian ministries is to 
foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love 
God but who are ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness.” 

 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' 
in 2 parts:
 
1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak 
as believer to believer.
 
2.Achieve? It all depends 
upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this 
whole conversation.
 
thanks for your input,
 
Lance

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
  Present Indicative
  
  
  Lance the following may be of help you 
  because this is basically the
  issue you and David are dealing with. He believes 
  it is possible.
  You do not  judyt
   
  The Barna Update: February 20, 2006 “Be holy because I 
  am holy” are God’s words to His people. Buthow 
  many Christians believe that God has called them to be holy –or that 
  achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they 
  consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our 
  newest survey examines Americans’ views ofholiness and reflects on the 
  implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the 
  health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below 
  or visit our website atwww.barna.org.
   
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:> Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm 
  sure that > you've > not failed to note my own 'cranial 
  density' on more than a few > occasions. I > trust that it 
  is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to > obtain > 
  scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the > 
  sinless > ones' in order that I may move on to other 
  things.> > Those who do not sin = believers?> Those 
  who sin = non-believers?> > It was your employment of the 
  word 'addiction' that caught my > attention, > 
  David.> > > - Original Message - > 
  From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: 
  > 
  Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
  Present Indicative> > > > Lance wrote:> 
  >> David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that> 
  >> might exist between:> >> 1. Those who are born of 
  God do not sin. &> >> 2. those who ...continue in their 
  ADDICTION to sin.> >> > I'm not sure what you are 
  looking for here, Lance.  The > distinction seems> > 
  rather obvious.  Those born of God do not sin while those addicted 
  > to sin> > do.  There is a commonality between the 
  two people:  they both > have a > > flesh> 
  > which is a source of temptation.  The difference is that one 
  > follows the> > Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of 
  love, while the other > continues > > to> > 
  yield to his carnal desires.> >> > Lance 
  wrote:> >> David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of 
  Jesus'> >> > All the commandments are summed up in the 
  commandments to love God > and > > love> > your 
  neighbor.  There a

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

2006-02-20 Thread Lance Muir 



What I'm saying Judy in other words than those 
spoken is: Do you, DMand CD do anything on a given day that is 'unholy'? 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 12:55
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness
  
  In your opinion Lance?
   
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:50:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:
  
Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often 
the case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two 
quite different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know 
that I don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. 
What I do have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with 
the presence of the absence of holiness.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
  Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness
  
   
  Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should 
  buy and stock his book Lance...
   
  
  Reflections on Holiness 
  The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about 
  the state of faith in America, caused the survey’s director, George Barna, 
  to suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
  “Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend 
  church and read the Bible, but do not understand the 
  concept or significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, 
  and therefore do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the 
  data identify a remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy 
  life, and is engaged in its pursuit. The challenge to the nation’s 
  Christian ministries is to foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the 
  masses who claim they love God but who are ignorant about biblical 
  teachings regarding holiness.” 
   
  From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 
  'redness' in 2 parts:
   
  1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I 
  speak as believer to believer.
   
  2.Achieve? It all depends 
  upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this 
  whole conversation.
   
  thanks for your input,
   
  Lance
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
Present Indicative


Lance the following may be of help you 
because this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He 
believes it is possible.
You do not  judyt
 
The Barna Update: February 20, 2006 “Be holy because I 
am holy” are God’s words to His people. Buthow 
many Christians believe that God has called them to be holy –or that 
achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone 
they consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? 
Our newest survey examines Americans’ views ofholiness and reflects 
on the implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality 
and the health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the 
link below or visit our website atwww.barna.org.
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:> Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. 
I'm sure that > you've > not failed to note my own 
'cranial density' on more than a few > occasions. I > 
trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to > 
obtain > scripture/statements from those I've taken to 
referencing as 'the > sinless > ones' in order that I may 
move on to other things.> > Those who do not sin = 
believers?> Those who sin = non-believers?> > It 
was your employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my > 
attention, > David.> > > - Original 
Message - > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: 
<TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>> 
Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
Present Indicative> > > > Lance wrote:> 
>> David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that> 
>> might exist between:> >> 1. Thos

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

2006-02-20 Thread Judy Taylor 



Why would somone who believes that to be holy is to be 
"in eis" and what's more that the whole world
is already "in eis" ask such a question 
Lance?
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:42:06 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  What I'm saying Judy in other words than those 
  spoken is: Do you, DMand CD do anything on a given day that is 'unholy'? 
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
    
Sent: February 20, 2006 12:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

In your opinion Lance?
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:50:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often 
  the case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having 
  two quite different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please 
  know that I don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be 
  holy'. What I do have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has 
  to do with the presence of the absence of holiness.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Judy 
Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness

 
Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you 
should buy and stock his book Lance...
 

Reflections on Holiness 
The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about 
the state of faith in America, caused the survey’s director, George 
Barna, to suggest that churches need to take this body of information 
seriously. 
“Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend 
church and read the Bible, but do not understand the 
concept or significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be 
holy, and therefore do little, if anything to pursue it. However, 
the data identify a remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a 
holy life, and is engaged in its pursuit. The challenge to the nation’s 
Christian ministries is to foster a genuine hunger for holiness among 
the masses who claim they love God but who are ignorant about biblical 
teachings regarding holiness.” 
 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 
'redness' in 2 parts:
 
1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I 
speak as believer to believer.
 
2.Achieve? It all 
depends upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the 
thrust of this whole conversation.
 
thanks for your input,
 
Lance

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: February 20, 2006 
  11:18
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek 
  Present Indicative
  
  
  Lance the following may be of help you 
  because this is basically the
  issue you and David are dealing with. He 
  believes it is possible.
  You do not  judyt
   
  The Barna Update: February 20, 2006 “Be holy because 
  I am holy” are God’s words to His people. Buthow many Christians believe that God has called them to 
  be holy –or that achieving holiness is even possible? How 
  many knowsomeone they consider to be holy? What do they 
  understandholiness to mean? Our newest survey examines Americans’ 
  views ofholiness and reflects on the implications of these 
  perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the health of the 
  Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below or visit 
  our website atwww.barna.org.
   
  On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  writes:> Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. 
  I'm sure that > you've > not failed to note my own 
  'cranial density' on more than a few > occasions. I > 
  trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to 
  > obtain > scripture/statements from those I've taken to 
  referencing as 'the > sinless > ones' in order that I 
  may move on to other things.> > Those who do not sin = 
  believers?> Those who sin = non-believers?> > It 
  was your employment of the word 'addicti

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

2006-02-20 Thread Dean Moore 



 
 

 

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/20/2006 12:51:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often the case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two quite different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know that I don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. What I do have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with the presence of the absence of holiness.
 cd: Actually those that are saved and return to sin(ie.Apostate) will have harder hell the those who have never known Christ/H. Spirit.For to whom much is giving must is expected. How important is it to know this esp. if one doesn't hold sin in a high regard?
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness

 
Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should buy and stock his book Lance...
 

Reflections on Holiness 
The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the state of faith in America, caused the survey’s director, George Barna, to suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
“Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church and read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged in its pursuit. The challenge to the nation’s Christian ministries is to foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love God but who are ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness.” 
 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' in 2 parts:
 
1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak as believer to believer.
 
2.Achieve? It all depends upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this whole conversation.
 
thanks for your input,
 
Lance

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative


Lance the following may be of help you because this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He believes it is possible.
You do not  judyt
 
The Barna Update: February 20, 2006 “Be holy because I am holy” are God’s words to His people. Buthow many Christians believe that God has called them to be holy –or that achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our newest survey examines Americans’ views ofholiness and reflects on the implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below or visit our website atwww.barna.org.
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm sure that > you've > not failed to note my own 'cranial density' on more than a few > occasions. I > trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to > obtain > scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the > sinless > ones' in order that I may move on to other things.> > Those who do not sin = believers?> Those who sin = non-believers?> > It was your employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my > attention, > David.> > > - Original Message - > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>> Sent: February 20, 2006 1
0:51> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative> > > > Lance wrote:> >> David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that> >> might exist between:> >> 1. Those who are born of God do not sin. &> >> 2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to sin.> >> > I'm not sure what you are looking for here, Lance.  The > distinction seems> > rather obvious.  Those born of God do not sin while those addicted > to sin> > do.  There is a commonality between the two people:  they both > have a > > flesh> > which is a source of temptation.  The difference is that one > follows the> > Spirit

Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

2006-02-20 Thread Dean Moore 



 
 

 

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 2/20/2006 1:52:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

What I'm saying Judy in other words than those spoken is: Do you, DMand CD do anything on a given day that is 'unholy'? 
 
cd: No! To be unholy is to be evil so again, no!

1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 
The law has no hold on the godly- only the law breakers.

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 12:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

In your opinion Lance?
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:50:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often the case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two quite different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know that I don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. What I do have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with the presence of the absence of holiness.

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness

 
Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should buy and stock his book Lance...
 

Reflections on Holiness 
The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the state of faith in America, caused the survey’s director, George Barna, to suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously. 
“Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church and read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged in its pursuit. The challenge to the nation’s Christian ministries is to foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love God but who are ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness.” 
 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' in 2 parts:
 
1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak as believer to believer.
 
2.Achieve? It all depends upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this whole conversation.
 
thanks for your input,
 
Lance

- Original Message - 
From: Judy Taylor 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative


Lance the following may be of help you because this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He believes it is possible.
You do not  judyt
 
The Barna Update: February 20, 2006 “Be holy because I am holy” are God’s words to His people. Buthow many Christians believe that God has called them to be holy –or that achieving holiness is even possible? How many knowsomeone they consider to be holy? What do they understandholiness to mean? Our newest survey examines Americans’ views ofholiness and reflects on the implications of these perspectivesfor individual spirituality and the health of the Church. To readthis free report, click on the link below or visit our website atwww.barna.org.
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm sure that > you've > not failed to note my own 'cranial density' on more than a few > occasions. I > trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to > obtain > scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the > sinless > ones' in order that I may move on to other things.> > Those who do not sin = believers?> Those who sin = non-believers?> > It was your employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my > attention, > David.> > > - Original Message - > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>> Sent: February 20, 2006 1
0:51> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative> > > > Lance wrote:> >> David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that> >> might exist between:> >> 1. Those who are born of God do not sin. &> >> 2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to sin.> >> > I'm not sure what you are looking for here, Lance.  The > distinction seems> > rather obvious.  Those born