Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of Anti-Christ
Judy:Could 'believers' believe 'false doctrine or theologies of men'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: February 13, 2006 08:13 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] "The spirit of Anti-Christ" The spirit of anti-Christ is not only a spirit coming against Christ as in those who crucified Him. It is also a spirit that stands "in place of" the real Christ as in a false doctrine or theologies of men that make ppl complacent and give them a false peace. judyt. On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 06:48:43 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This has been/is being bandied about by David Miller et al. Perhaps it'd be helpful for those employing it to explain just what it is that they mean when employing it. L
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of Anti-Christ
The term Anti-Christ is a buzz word for Biblical scholars and spiritual individuals. Studying the books of Daniel, Revelation, 2 Thessalonians, the epistles of John, etc. give us insight into the nature of this spirit. For example, consider a phrase like, Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god. In this, we begin to understand the non-religious nature in which people are moving. We understand the movement away from tradition. We also understand a context for the homosexual movement. The point is that when we see people embracing these threads, we understand what spirit they are following. There is much more that could be said, but not enough time to say it all. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:48 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of Anti-Christ This has been/is being bandied about by David Miller et al. Perhaps it'd be helpful for those employing it to explain just what it is that they mean when employing it. L -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of Anti-Christ
Not to mention the fact that the "spirit of the anti-Christ" is rooted in a misunderstanding as relates to the eternity and divine nature of the Incarnate One. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] The term "Anti-Christ" is a buzz word for Biblical scholars and spiritual individuals. Studying the books of Daniel, Revelation, 2 Thessalonians, the epistles of John, etc. give us insight into the nature of this spirit. For example, consider a phrase like, "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god." In this, we begin to understand the non-religious nature in which people are moving. We understand the movement away from tradition. We also understand a context for the homosexual movement. The point is that when we see people embracing these threads, we understand what spirit they are following. There is much more that could be said, but not enough time to say it all. David Miller. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:48 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] "The spirit of Anti-Christ" This has been/is being bandied about by David Miller et al. Perhaps it'd be helpful for those employing it to explain just what it is that they mean when employing it. L -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
You major on the minors Bill because this is of paramount importance to your flesh and blood gospel However, yours is not the Kingdom He came to declare and fleshwill neverglory in God's presence. "For ye see your calling brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and things which are despised hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are. That no flesh should glory in his presence" (1 Cor 1:26-30) On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;for in Him we live and move and have our being,. . ."(Acts 17.26-28a) "Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his genitals according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, ... (Acts 2.29-30)
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
You addressed two profoundly important matters. 1. 'Flesh and blood gospel'. 2. The 'Kingdom He came to declare.' Amen to the former and, we ARE participating in the latter. Even if by mistake Judy, thanks! - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 30, 2006 06:31 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ You major on the minors Bill because this is of paramount importance to your flesh and blood gospel However, yours is not the Kingdom He came to declare and fleshwill neverglory in God's presence. "For ye see your calling brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and things which are despised hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are. That no flesh should glory in his presence" (1 Cor 1:26-30) On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;for in Him we live and move and have our being,. . ."(Acts 17.26-28a) "Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his genitals according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, ... (Acts 2.29-30)
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
Really Lance? Then you don't have a wedding
garment because your old flesh is not going anyplace
but into the ground. Your outer man is perishing
as we speak
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:41:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You addressed two profoundly important matters.
1. 'Flesh and blood gospel'. 2. The 'Kingdom He came to declare.' Amen to the
former and, we ARE participating in the latter. Even if by mistake Judy,
thanks!
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 30, 2006 06:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of
anti-Christ
You major on the minors Bill because this is of
paramount importance to your flesh and blood gospel
However, yours is not the Kingdom He came to
declare and fleshwill neverglory in God's presence.
"For ye see your calling brethren, how that not
many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are
called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound
the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the
things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and things which are
despised hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought
things that are. That no flesh should glory in his presence" (1 Cor
1:26-30)
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"And He has made from one blood every nation of men
to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their
pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,so that
they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and
find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;for in Him we
live and move and have our being,. . ."(Acts 17.26-28a)
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us
to this day.Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had
sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his genitals according
to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, ...
(Acts 2.29-30)
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
No Judy!! ATY ought to prefix all of your
speculations.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 30, 2006 06:51
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of
anti-Christ
Really Lance? Then you don't have a wedding
garment because your old flesh is not going anyplace
but into the ground. Your outer man is
perishing as we speak
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:41:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
You addressed two profoundly important matters.
1. 'Flesh and blood gospel'. 2. The 'Kingdom He came to declare.' Amen to
the former and, we ARE participating in the latter. Even if by mistake Judy,
thanks!
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 30, 2006 06:31
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit
of anti-Christ
You major on the minors Bill because this is of
paramount importance to your flesh and blood gospel
However, yours is not the Kingdom He came to
declare and fleshwill neverglory in God's
presence.
"For ye see your calling brethren, how that not
many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are
called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to
confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to
confound the things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and
things which are despised hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not,
to bring to nought things that are. That no flesh should glory in
his presence" (1 Cor 1:26-30)
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
"And He has made from one blood every nation of men
to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their
pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,so that
they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and
find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;for in Him we
live and move and have our being,. . ."(Acts 17.26-28a)
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with
us to this day.Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God
had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his genitals
according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his
throne, ... (Acts 2.29-30)
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ
I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Read on, Judy. As per G's nudging, I did. And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh at all. John tells us that it is anti-Christ to hold and promote such a belief; indeed, it isthe spirit of rebellion. You are wrong about this Bill and you are holding to false doctrine in this area. Noone is denying any physical lineage of Christ, just the one you portray. Jesus is not the second Adam for the reason you proffer above. He came to introduce a "new creation" - not put band aids on the old. Actually your gospel is the spirit of anti-christ - which in actuality is another (flesh Christ) standingin place of the real. You don't know what kind of flesh he had. Yes Mary and Joseph are both in David's lineage but Joseph is not his biological father who supplies the sperm and determines the sex and blood type of the child. Jesus at 12yrs of age was saying that he had to be about his Father's business and he wasn't referring to Joseph. He also called the temple his Father's house rather than the carpenter shop he was raised in. In Matt 1:18 we are told that "Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 1:18); so Bill why not ask God to reveal it to you rather than construct a different Jesus and another gospel? Please take heed the words ofChrist, exalted to David's throne:"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16 I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Bill-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ
I don't know what G nudged, since his writings are mostly incomprehensible I skip most of them mainly because I don't have the time to spend trying and figure them out. Since Dean has recently had a G-epiphany maybe he will help ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:15:10 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Read on, Judy. As per G's nudging, I did. And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh at all. John tells us that it is anti-Christ to hold and promote such a belief; indeed, it isthe spirit of rebellion. You are wrong about this Bill and you are holding to false doctrine in this area. Noone is denying any physical lineage of Christ, just the one you portray. Jesus is not the second Adam for the reason you proffer above. He came to introduce a "new creation" - not put band aids on the old. Actually your gospel is the spirit of anti-christ - which in actuality is another (flesh Christ) standingin place of the real. You don't know what kind of flesh he had. Yes Mary and Joseph are both in David's lineage but Joseph is not his biological father who supplies the sperm and determines the sex and blood type of the child. Jesus at 12yrs of age was saying that he had to be about his Father's business and he wasn't referring to Joseph. He also called the temple his Father's house rather than the carpenter shop he was raised in. In Matt 1:18 we are told that "Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 1:18); so Bill why not ask God to reveal it to you rather than construct a different Jesus and another gospel? Please take heed the words ofChrist, exalted to David's throne:"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16 I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Bill-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ
And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ I don't know what G nudged, since his writings are mostly incomprehensible I skip most of them mainly because I don't have the time to spend trying and figure them out. Since Dean has recently had a G-epiphany maybe he will help ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:15:10 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Read on, Judy. As per G's nudging, I did. And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh at all. John tells us that it is anti-Christ to hold and promote such a belief; indeed, it isthe spirit of rebellion. You are wrong about this Bill and you are holding to false doctrine in this area. Noone is denying any physical lineage of Christ, just the one you portray. Jesus is not the second Adam for the reason you proffer above. He came to introduce a "new creation" - not put band aids on the old. Actually your gospel is the spirit of anti-christ - which in actuality is another (flesh Christ) standingin place of the real. You don't know what kind of flesh he had. Yes Mary and Joseph are both in David's lineage but Joseph is not his biological father who supplies the sperm and determines the sex and blood type of the child. Jesus at 12yrs of age was saying that he had to be about his Father's business and he wasn't referring to Joseph. He also called the temple his Father's house rather than the carpenter shop he was raised in. In Matt 1:18 we are told that "Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 1:18); so Bill why not ask God to reveal it to you rather than construct a different Jesus and another gospel? Please take heed the words ofChrist, exalted to David's throne:"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16 I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Bill-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ
What subject is that? I don't see anything written here by G so I am not sure what subject you are on. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:35:07 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? From: Judy Taylor I don't know what G nudged, since his writings are mostly incomprehensible I skip most of them mainly because I don't have the time to spend trying and figure them out. Since Dean has recently had a G-epiphany maybe he will help ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:15:10 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Read on, Judy. As per G's nudging, I did. And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh at all. John tells us that it is anti-Christ to hold and promote such a belief; indeed, it isthe spirit of rebellion. You are wrong about this Bill and you are holding to false doctrine in this area. Noone is denying any physical lineage of Christ, just the one you portray. Jesus is not the second Adam for the reason you proffer above. He came to introduce a "new creation" - not put band aids on the old. Actually your gospel is the spirit of anti-christ - which in actuality is another (flesh Christ) standingin place of the real. You don't know what kind of flesh he had. Yes Mary and Joseph are both in David's lineage but Joseph is not his biological father who supplies the sperm and determines the sex and blood type of the child. Jesus at 12yrs of age was saying that he had to be about his Father's business and he wasn't referring to Joseph. He also called the temple his Father's house rather than the carpenter shop he was raised in. In Matt 1:18 we are told that "Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 1:18); so Bill why not ask God to reveal it to you rather than construct a different Jesus and another gospel? Please take heed the words ofChrist, exalted to David's throne:"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16 I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Bill-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ
Perhaps the subject line could lend some assistance. Do you deny that Christ came in the genetic material of David's loins, Judy; i.e., the flesh, which John addresses? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ What subject is that? I don't see anything written here by G so I am not sure what subject you are on. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:35:07 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? From: Judy Taylor I don't know what G nudged, since his writings are mostly incomprehensible I skip most of them mainly because I don't have the time to spend trying and figure them out. Since Dean has recently had a G-epiphany maybe he will help ... On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:15:10 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Read on, Judy. As per G's nudging, I did. And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh at all. John tells us that it is anti-Christ to hold and promote such a belief; indeed, it isthe spirit of rebellion. You are wrong about this Bill and you are holding to false doctrine in this area. Noone is denying any physical lineage of Christ, just the one you portray. Jesus is not the second Adam for the reason you proffer above. He came to introduce a "new creation" - not put band aids on the old. Actually your gospel is the spirit of anti-christ - which in actuality is another (flesh Christ) standingin place of the real. You don't know what kind of flesh he had. Yes Mary and Joseph are both in David's lineage but Joseph is not his biological father who supplies the sperm and determines the sex and blood type of the child. Jesus at 12yrs of age was saying that he had to be about his Father's business and he wasn't referring to Joseph. He also called the temple his Father's house rather than the carpenter shop he was raised in. In Matt 1:18 we are told that "Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 1:18); so Bill why not ask God to reveal it to you rather than construct a different Jesus and another gospel? Please take heed the words ofChrist, exalted to David's throne:"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16 I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Bill-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
There are so many aspects to this argument ... offered by Judy. But, for my money, the point driven home by Bill concerning the blood-line of the Messiah is more without debate than the others (me included.) Judy makes fun of Bill's gospel ("your flesh and blood gospel ...") and, at the same time, plays the role of heretic, denying that Jesus is a descendentof David (and the other!!!).Her church leadership and those at BSF would escort her to the door if they knew she wasteaching such error.A real shame.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You major on the minors Bill because this is of paramount importance to your flesh and blood gospel
However, yours is not the Kingdom He came to declare and fleshwill neverglory in God's presence.
"For ye see your calling brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and things which are despised hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are. That no flesh should glory in his presence" (1 Cor 1:26-30)
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;for in Him we live and move and have our being,. . ."(Acts 17.26-28a)
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his genitals according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, ... (Acts 2.29-30)
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
What I deny JD is the sperma connection and this is
because of the curse of death on all mankind.
He came into this world holy - He is the Lord of
Life. Why are you so hot to make him into your image?
My church leadership and BSF would do no such
thing. The days of hunting down and killing those who
do not agree with the "religious elite" are long gone
JD - Oh except for the radical right on TT
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:42:27 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are so many aspects to this argument ... offered by
Judy. But, for my money, the point driven home by Bill concerning the
blood-line of the Messiah is more without debate than the others (me
included.) Judy makes fun of Bill's gospel ("your flesh and
blood gospel ...") and, at the same time, plays the role of heretic,
denying that Jesus is a descendentof David (and the
other!!!).Her church leadership and those at BSF would escort her
to the door if they knew she wasteaching such error.A
real shame.
jd
--
Original message -- From: Judy Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You major on the minors Bill because this is of
paramount importance to your flesh and blood gospel
However, yours is not the Kingdom He came to
declare and fleshwill neverglory in God's presence.
"For ye see your calling brethren, how that not
many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are
called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound
the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the
things which are mighty; and base things of the world, and things which are
despised hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought
things that are. That no flesh should glory in his presence" (1 Cor
1:26-30)
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"And He has made from one blood every nation of men
to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their
pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,so that
they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and
find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;for in Him we
live and move and have our being,. . ."(Acts 17.26-28a)
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the
patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us
to this day.Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had
sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his genitals according
to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, ...
(Acts 2.29-30)
RE: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ
cd: Good point Judy. Reminds me of Christ's first miracle that was mentioned-making of the wine. His mother told the people to do what he tells you to do-she must have good reason to believe Jesus could accomplish miracles-makes one wonder how many she had seen before this. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 6:57:00 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh at all. John tells us that it is anti-Christ to hold and promote such a belief; indeed, it isthe spirit of rebellion. You are wrong about this Bill and you are holding to false doctrine in this area. Noone is denying any physical lineage of Christ, just the one you portray. Jesus is not the second Adam for the reason you proffer above. He came to introduce a "new creation" - not put band aids on the old. Actually your gospel is the spirit of anti-christ - which in actuality is another (flesh Christ) standingin place of the real. You don't know what kind of flesh he had. Yes Mary and Joseph are both in David's lineage but Joseph is not his biological father who supplies the sperm and determines the sex and blood type of the child. Jesus at 12yrs of age was saying that he had to be about his Father's business and he wasn't referring to Joseph. He also called the temple his Father's house rather than the carpenter shop he was raised in. In Matt 1:18 we are told that "Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 1:18); so Bill why not ask God to reveal it to you rather than construct a different Jesus and another gospel? Please take heed the words ofChrist, exalted to David's throne:"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16 I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Bill
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ
- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/30/2006 7:21:32 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ I don't know what G nudged, since his writings are mostly incomprehensible I skip most of them mainly because I don't have the time to spend trying and figure them out. Since Dean has recently had a G-epiphany maybe he will help ... cd: It must come and go Judy because he lost me again on this one-I think DaveH replies caused doubt and the gift left:-) On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:15:10 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Read on, Judy. As per G's nudging, I did. And may I ask you why you are so bent on changing the subject? Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 4:49 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-christ Bill writes: It is rebellion to deny the physical lineage of Christ. He is the second Adam precisely because he is of Adam's blood: through Eve to Seth, and Noah, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Judah, and David to Jesus throughMary. To deny this is to deny that Christ came in the flesh at all. John tells us that it is anti-Christ to hold and promote such a belief; indeed, it isthe spirit of rebellion. You are wrong about this Bill and you are holding to false doctrine in this area. Noone is denying any physical lineage of Christ, just the one you portray. Jesus is not the second Adam for the reason you proffer above. He came to introduce a "new creation" - not put band aids on the old. Actually your gospel is the spirit of anti-christ - which in actuality is another (flesh Christ) standingin place of the real. You don't know what kind of flesh he had. Yes Mary and Joseph are both in David's lineage but Joseph is not his biological father who supplies the sperm and determines the sex and blood type of the child. Jesus at 12yrs of age was saying that he had to be about his Father's business and he wasn't referring to Joseph. He also called the temple his Father's house rather than the carpenter shop he was raised in. In Matt 1:18 we are told that "Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 1:18); so Bill why not ask God to reveal it to you rather than construct a different Jesus and another gospel? Please take heed the words ofChrist, exalted to David's throne:"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16 I would underline Root if I were you and then go and read Romans 11:16-18 ... If the root be holy?? The Lord said to my Lord?? Bill-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: '..I am [the Root and] the Offspring of David..'
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
Precisely! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: '..I am [the Root and] the Offspring of David..'-- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-Christ
Come on guys - He is only similar to the offspring of David. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: '..I am [the Root and] the Offspring of David..'
