Re: [tryton] Re: [tryton-fr] Handling of returns/cancelations

2018-06-01 Thread Richard PALO

Le 08/04/2018 à 09:41, Richard PALO a écrit :


For info, https://bugs.tryton.org/issue5180 has been updated with an initial
patchset proposal supporting an 'allow_negative_moves' configuration parameter.



Perhaps this should be alternately named 'allow red storno moves' as that seems 
to be
a recogniseable term used for this, particularly in eastern europe where it is 
widely used.

try entering 'accounting red storno' in your favourite internet search engine.

It seems typically that western accounting packages need to have an option 
enabled to permit negative moves as I propose above and, if used, the negative 
moves are even marked up in red,
as the name suggests.

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[tryton] Re: [tryton-fr] Handling of returns/cancelations

2018-04-08 Thread Richard PALO

Le 26/03/2015 à 16:39, Mathias Behrle a écrit :

* Raphael Hertzog: " Re: [tryton-fr] Re: extourne/annulation d'un
   mouvement" (Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:37:06 +0100):

I am pulling this discussion of the french mailing list to tryton, because I
find it interesting enough for the wide public and I would suspect, that at
least in Europe we should have some common or at least similar procedures about
the handling of credit notes versus cancellation notes.

I have put the research together done by the german community at that
time (dating back to 2008) and posted it at

https://code.google.com/p/tryton/wiki/CreditNotevsCancelation

May be we can find together the most common denominator of this business case.


Le mardi 24 mars 2015, Richard PALO a écrit :

En effet, avec le Nouveau Plan comptable (1999), une obligation de
traçabilité des modifications d'écritures comptables impose l'utilisation
des contrepassations d'écritures (voir Mémento Comptable 2015 § 332.3 III
"Traçabilité".

Au delà des règles comptable, la traçabilité est imposée également par
l'Administration fiscale qui risquerait de ne pas se satisfaire d'une
comptabilité contenant des écritures négatives.


Donc, il est impérative d'organiser un aménagement pour tenir
une comptabilité légale avec tryton en France.


Moi je comprends tout cela bien différemment... « la traçabilité impose
l'utilisation des contrepassations d'écritures » ca veut juste dire qu'on
ne modifie pas l'écriture d'origine mais qu'on effectue la correction
avec une ou plusieurs écritures supplémentaires.


Absolutely agreed about tracibility and immutability of posted moves. For german
installations we are disabling the button, that allows to change posted moves.
  

Cette question de signe me semble tout à fait anecdotique. L'usage d'un
signe négatif pour une contrepassation qui annule totalement la première
écriture me semble légitime (pourvu que l'écriture soit documentée comme
telle!).


As Cédric has pointed out in another mail, the result between annulating a
move with negative amounts to the same account (debit/credit) versus
positive amounts on the contra account is different. While one will not
increase the balance, the other will.
  

Mais je ne suis pas comptable...


I am an accountant neither, so happy on further input.





For info, https://bugs.tryton.org/issue5180 has been updated with an initial
patchset proposal supporting an 'allow_negative_moves' configuration parameter.

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