Re: [Tutor] miniwiki 1.3.0 beta now available
Anyone who had trouble downloading the file, try again, there was a problem in the server which is now fixed. Kirk Bailey wrote: > May The Gods have mercy on my soul. > > MiniWiki is now offered for downloading. 1.3.0 is not in presentable > condition for them what would like to kick it around some. > > http://www.tinylist.org/MiniWIKI130.zip > > Included in it is the zip archive for the server I settled on which is a > very nice little tool I have yet to break regardless of how I stick my > thumbs in it's eye. Robust is an understatement, it is bulletproof. > Alas, it will NOT parse ssi includes, but WILL support scripts with > environment data and go retreived specified interpeters declared in the > shebang line, so it's not so terrible. It is free PERIOD, even if > included in commercial releases, as long as you credit the authors- > well, I included everything they released, including source code, so go > for it. > > My zip file includes subdirectories and seedpages. One should create a > folder such as 'c:\localhost', place the zip in it, and unpack it there. > you will get \www, \cgi-bin, \cgi-bin\texts, www\images, and several > files in the texts directory. > > If I got this thing to zip up properly. sheesh. I'm going to bed. > > -- Salute! -Kirk Bailey Think +-+ | BOX | +-+ knihT Fnord. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] geeks like us and the rest of THEM
Andrei wrote: > >> That's part of it. a good installer is another, and I am loo]king at a >> couple. A solid and drool-proof server is the remaining leg of the >> tripod. So far, none of the servers I have seen are satisfactory on all >> scores- simplicity to install, reliability, economy of cost, (free or >> unlimited license to me for a modest fee) and ease to configure if the >> use\r so wishes. the closest I have yet seen SMALL HTTP SERVER. And it >> is very good. >> http://smallsrv.com/ > > You could have a look at Aprelium's Abyss server (X1, which is freely > distributable in unmodified form IIRC, but closed source). It has a good > looking webbased configuration console and is cross-platform if you ever > need that. However, you'll probably end up digging in its config > programmatically to set up paths and such for the user - shouldn't be > too hard using some webscraping if the files are not readily modifiable. > Its setup is about 350 kB. I did. good, but fairly large and noticible impact on cycles as well as memory. smallserve is lighter, and tinyweb lighter yet- and it's terms of use let one include it with commercial products free. and I have yet to throw aqnything at it in spite of it's compact wtructure it could not deal with. > > In terms of installers, NSIS (with the package to make it look modern, > instead of that awful default look - forgot its name) or InnoSetup are > the usual suspects. NSIS has a smaller overhead, but an uglier language. > both look interesting, inno looks like a faster learning curve. -- Salute! -Kirk Bailey Think +-+ | BOX | +-+ knihT Fnord. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] beautifulsoup - getting an error when NavigableString object is returned
I wanted to strip the quotes from IMDB quote pages, just to start
learning python. Quotes are not nested, so I got the anchor links that
precede them. I thought I could walk down until I hit an HR tag,
meanwhile grabbing people and quotes via hits on and .
But once I tried to walk down from my hit on the anchor link and pull
the name, I found I kept getting a NavigableString instead of tag, so
asking for the .name attribute gave an error.
Any idea why this might happen?
This is the relevant chunk of IMDB code:
Bill:
You're supposed to wear the blue dress when I wear this.
Mary:
I don't want to dress like twins anymore.
Bill:
We're not twins. We're a trio.
---
And this is what I wrote (and if there are other awful things about
this, I would be happy to know):
#!/usr/bin/env python
import urllib2
from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup
import re
# stubs --
movietitle_stub = "Nashville"
#later search an pull first
result (if movie?)
movieurl_stub = "http://imdb.com/title/tt0073440/"; #and get this
def soupifyPage(target):
"""
grab html from a page
probably need real method of checking for failure, huh
"""
codeReq = urllib2.Request(target)
response = urllib2.urlopen(codeReq)
soupyhtml = BeautifulSoup(response)
return soupyhtml
def pullQuote(curTag):
# character is in bold
print curTag.nextSibling.name
'''
if curTag.nextSibling.name == 'hr':
#are done
return quoteBlock
print "seeing" + curTag.nextSibling.name
quoteBlock = quoteBlock + " - " + curTag.nextSibling.name
curTag = curTag.nextSibling
'''
quotepage = movieurl_stub + "quotes"
print "Getting this:" + quotepage
print "---"
quotebag = soupifyPage(quotepage)
# each quote is preceded by anchorlink, begins with qt : example
# the end with an HR tag
# they are not nested
quotations = quotebag.findAll(attrs = {'name' : re.compile("^qt")})
for q in quotations:
#pullQuote(q)
print q.nextSibling.name # attribute error: "'NavigableString'
object has no attribute 'name'"
print "next!"
Thanks,
Clay
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Re: [Tutor] httpd in your laptop?!? serve web pages and wikis in your notebook?
> "Luke Paireepinart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote >> >>> forth ... while very good for small programs >>> to imbed into controller cpu's to bury inside some machine, > It's a relatively little known fact that Sun use Forth as the > monitor/bootloader in their servers. When you do a shutdown > on a Sun box it takes you into a Forth interpreter! >>> different that rank beginners learn it faster than experienced >>> hands >>> do. it's just so damn odd. > Yep, it's one of the few languages that I just gave up on, > the pain wasn't worth the gain. I wound up moving to Tcl; > and Tcl isn't exactly mainstream! But it was a lot more > conventional than Forth. The only language I've used that > was equally different was Prolog. Postscript borrows heavily from Forth, I think. Alan ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] using tarfile on strings or filelike objects
Barton David wrote: > I like that I can access the contents of a zip archive that's stored in > memory (rather than on disk) by packing the archive contents into a > StringIO or cStringIO object and feeding that to ZipFile... > > i.e. > > filelike=cStringIO.StringIO(archive_as_string) > zf=zipfile.ZipFile(filelike) > content=zf.read(archive_member_name) > zf.close() > filelike.close() > > but I can't get the same thing to work with TarFile. Is there any way to > do this? (Other than first saving the archive data to disk and then > passing the path to TarFile.open?) The tarfile module documentation > talks about an optional fileobj flag but this doesn't seem to work. Just from reading the docs I would try filelike = cStringIO... tf = tarfile.open(mode='r|', fileobj=filelike) This is based on the example in the docs of reading from stdin. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Lamdas and locality
Michael Meier wrote: > Hello > > I ran the following code in python: > ls = [(lambda op: op + i) for i in [1,2,3]] ls > [ at 0xb7de4cdc>, at 0xb7de4d14>, > at 0xb7de4d4c>] for l in ls: > ... print l(5) > ... > 8 > 8 > 8 > > > I am quite surprised of the result. I'm generating three lamdas. What I > want to do is that the first lamda adds 1 to the operand and returns it, > the second lamda return 2 plus the operand and so on. > However all the three lamdas, despite being not the same object in > memory, are all adding 3, so they've got to have a reference to and not > to 1,2,3 respectively. > > Why are the lamdas having a reference to the same integer? What am I > getting wrong here? :P This behaviour surprises many people. The lambda does not bind the value of i. When you execute the lambda it looks up the value of i in the enclosing scope which in this case is the global namespace. Each function will get the same value because they all look up i in the same place. As a workaround you can bind the value of i to a default argument like this: In [1]: ls = [(lambda op, i=i: op + i) for i in [1,2,3]] In [2]: for f in ls: ...: print f(5) ...: 6 7 8 Kent PS When you reply to an archive please delete the parts of the archive that are not of interest. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] Lamdas and locality
Hello
I ran the following code in python:
>>> ls = [(lambda op: op + i) for i in [1,2,3]]
>>> ls
[ at 0xb7de4cdc>, at 0xb7de4d14>,
at 0xb7de4d4c>]
>>> for l in ls:
... print l(5)
...
8
8
8
>>>
I am quite surprised of the result. I'm generating three lamdas. What I
want to do is that the first lamda adds 1 to the operand and returns it,
the second lamda return 2 plus the operand and so on.
However all the three lamdas, despite being not the same object in
memory, are all adding 3, so they've got to have a reference to and not
to 1,2,3 respectively.
Why are the lamdas having a reference to the same integer? What am I
getting wrong here? :P
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> > That's part of it. a good installer is another, and I am loo]king at a
> > couple. A solid and drool-proof server is the remaining leg of the
> > tripod. So far, none of the servers I have seen are satisfactory on all
> > scores- simplicity to install, reliability, economy of cost, (free or
> > unlimited license to me for a modest fee) and ease to configure if the
> > use\r so wishes. the closest I have yet seen SMALL HTTP SERVER. And it
> > is very good.
> > http://smallsrv.com/
>
> You could have a look at Aprelium's Abyss server (X1, which is freely
> distributable in unmodified form IIRC, but closed source). It has a good
> looking webbased configuration console and is cross-platform if you ever
> need that. However, you'll probably end up digging in its config
> programmatically to set up paths and such for the user - shouldn't be
> too hard using some webscraping if the files are not readily modifiable.
> Its setup is about 350 kB.
>
> In terms of installers, NSIS (with the package to make it look modern,
> instead of that awful default look - forgot its name) or InnoSetup are
> the usual suspects. NSIS has a smaller overhead, but an uglier language.
>
> --
> Yours,
>
> Andrei
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> > But most of my dictionaries are nested, and since both keys and values
> > in the dbm 'dictionaries' have to be strings, I can't immediately see
> > how I could get it to work.
> >
> > A bit more detail: I deal with conditional probabilities, with up to 4
> > parameters. These parameters are numbers or words and determine the
> > value (which is always a number). E.g. I have a dictionary
> > {p1:{p2:{p3:{p4:value, where the p's are different parameters. I
> > sometimes need to sum over one or more of the parameters ? for now I
> > have managed to structure the dictionaries so that I only need to sum
> > over the innermost parameter, although this has been a bit cumbersome.
>
> Depends a bit on how many keys each of the dictionaries is going to have
> and in what order they're filled. You can pickle/cPickle an arbitrary
> amount of data as one value, so the whole {p2:{p3:{p4:value}}} story
> could be a value of the p1 key in the bsddb. However, you may not like
> this if you need to retrieve p1 and add new stuff to it all the time,
> because the pickling and
Re: [Tutor] Yet another list comprehension question
Andrei wrote:
>>> Alternatively, you could put the results as keys in a dictionary,
>>> then request
>>> mydict.keys() to get a list of unique outcomes.
>> I thought of that too, but couldn't think how to do it in a list
>> comprehension. It seemed like it should be possible but I
>> couldn't think of how - and didn't have a python interpreter
>> handy...
>
> I wouldn't do it in a list comprehension - I took a bit of liberty with
> the topic and looked more at the actual problem :). Of course the loop
> can be turned into a list comprehension, but it serves no purpose
> whatsoever:
>
> >>> d = {}
> >>> [d.__setitem__(s, '') for s in myiterator]
>
> By the way, the fromkeys method of the dict type can turn this into a
> oneliner:
>
> >>> mylist = [1,2,3,1,2,4] # may also be some iterator
> >>> print dict.fromkeys(mylist).keys()
> ... [1,2,3,4]
>
> The set solution is the Most Obvious Way to do it, but the dict one
> doesn't require an understanding of list comprehensions.
The list comp in Alan's solution is just needed to introduce somefunc().
You have to do the same in yours to match the original problem. The set
version of your solution doesn't need a list comp either, it is just
list(set(mylist))
There is really no reason in modern Python to use dicts as sets.
Kent
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Re: [Tutor] Yet another list comprehension question
>> Alternatively, you could put the results as keys in a dictionary,
>> then request
>> mydict.keys() to get a list of unique outcomes.
>
> I thought of that too, but couldn't think how to do it in a list
> comprehension. It seemed like it should be possible but I
> couldn't think of how - and didn't have a python interpreter
> handy...
I wouldn't do it in a list comprehension - I took a bit of liberty with
the topic and looked more at the actual problem :). Of course the loop
can be turned into a list comprehension, but it serves no purpose
whatsoever:
>>> d = {}
>>> [d.__setitem__(s, '') for s in myiterator]
By the way, the fromkeys method of the dict type can turn this into a
oneliner:
>>> mylist = [1,2,3,1,2,4] # may also be some iterator
>>> print dict.fromkeys(mylist).keys()
... [1,2,3,4]
The set solution is the Most Obvious Way to do it, but the dict one
doesn't require an understanding of list comprehensions.
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Re: [Tutor] trouble understanding the python environment in OSX
Clay Wiedemann wrote: > I am running the latest OSX (10.4.8) and know a little about moving > about in the terminal. But the world of paths, etc. has me a little > confused. And now it is getting in my way. I was wondering if I could > get a little help with some things. > > - Can anyone point me to a well-regarded and pithy tutorial regarding > the UNIX underpinnings of OSX, especially anything that would help > with Python. (e.g., I can navigate to Python.framework and versions > but see 2.5 and Current, which confuses me since 2.5 is the current > version.) I would love to know what the structure of the Python > installation means. Current is an alias for 2.5, which is the current install. > > - I am having trouble installing the BeautifulSoup package. The > installer stumbles on a unicode issue (that the Soup developer says is > a problem with my Python installation) -- so what is the best way to > manually install this? And does the 2.5 / Current divide matter? What is the error you get in the installer? The installer is not really needed in this case. You should be able to just download the single file and put it in .../Current/lib/python2.5/site-packages Kent > > > > Thanks in advance for any help with these basic issues. > > Good morning from Brooklyn, > Clay > > > * Any experience with coding webpages is not helping here > > > > - - - - - - - > > Clay S. Wiedemann > > aim: khlav > wii: 3905 4571 6175 2469 > twitter: seastokes > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] trouble understanding the python environment in OSX
"Clay Wiedemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > I am not only new to Python, but new to programming in an > environment > like this, where knowing a little of how the underpinning work is > essential.* Actually I very rarely need to do anything with the environment. Most of my iBook Python programming is done in the src/python folder of my home directory. I just import stuff and it works... > I am running the latest OSX (10.4.8) and know a little about moving > about in the terminal. But the world of paths, etc. has me a little > confused. If you have specific situations where paths are tripping you up we can probably offer help. In general you should only need 1) The path to Python set up in your login shell script PATH 2) The path to Pythons modules in PYTHONPATH ie. in your file: ~/.bash_profile. (I assume you use bash since think thats the new default in 10.4 - I am still on 10.2 which uses tcsh as shell) > - Can anyone point me to a well-regarded and pithy tutorial > regarding > the UNIX underpinnings of OSX, especially anything that would help > with Python. Apple have lots of guidance, this is a good jump off page: http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/GettingStarted/GS_MacOSXServer/index.html Or more usefully there is Pogue's Missing Manual book. This is probably best for traditional Mac users stepping into Unix for the first time. For more depth I found MacOS X Unleashed good, but long And finally MacOSX Hacks is good but not really a tutorial. HTH, -- Alan Gauld Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] trouble understanding the python environment in OSX
Hi, I am not only new to Python, but new to programming in an environment like this, where knowing a little of how the underpinning work is essential.* I am running the latest OSX (10.4.8) and know a little about moving about in the terminal. But the world of paths, etc. has me a little confused. And now it is getting in my way. I was wondering if I could get a little help with some things. - Can anyone point me to a well-regarded and pithy tutorial regarding the UNIX underpinnings of OSX, especially anything that would help with Python. (e.g., I can navigate to Python.framework and versions but see 2.5 and Current, which confuses me since 2.5 is the current version.) I would love to know what the structure of the Python installation means. - I am having trouble installing the BeautifulSoup package. The installer stumbles on a unicode issue (that the Soup developer says is a problem with my Python installation) -- so what is the best way to manually install this? And does the 2.5 / Current divide matter? Thanks in advance for any help with these basic issues. Good morning from Brooklyn, Clay * Any experience with coding webpages is not helping here - - - - - - - Clay S. Wiedemann aim: khlav wii: 3905 4571 6175 2469 twitter: seastokes ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Yet another list comprehension question
Alan Gauld wrote: > "Smith, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > >> In other words, applying somefun to the results of the iterator >> return >> duplicates but I want the constructed list to contain none. > >> l = [somefun(i) for i some-iterator if somefun(i) not in l] >> >> doesn't work (not that I expected it to). > > Why not use a Set? > > s = Set([somefun(i) for i in some-iterator]) > > Might be slow for big lists though... This is a popular question. It comes up frequently on comp.lang.python and there are many recipes in the online cookbook. Here is a FAQ: http://www.effbot.org/pyfaq/how-do-you-remove-duplicates-from-a-list.htm I think using a set is the fastest solution if the list items are hashable and you don't care about order. If the list items are hashable and you do care about order then there is this mild hack: s = set() [ i for i in lst if i not in s and not s.add(i) ] but with the requirement of calling somefunc(i) my guess is that an explicit loop will be faster. The cookbook is down right now but there is a link in the above FAQ. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] dictionaries and memory handling
> But most of my dictionaries are nested, and since both keys and values
> in the dbm 'dictionaries' have to be strings, I can't immediately see
> how I could get it to work.
>
> A bit more detail: I deal with conditional probabilities, with up to 4
> parameters. These parameters are numbers or words and determine the
> value (which is always a number). E.g. I have a dictionary
> {p1:{p2:{p3:{p4:value, where the p's are different parameters. I
> sometimes need to sum over one or more of the parameters – for now I
> have managed to structure the dictionaries so that I only need to sum
> over the innermost parameter, although this has been a bit cumbersome.
Depends a bit on how many keys each of the dictionaries is going to have
and in what order they're filled. You can pickle/cPickle an arbitrary
amount of data as one value, so the whole {p2:{p3:{p4:value}}} story
could be a value of the p1 key in the bsddb. However, you may not like
this if you need to retrieve p1 and add new stuff to it all the time,
because the pickling and unpickling cycles may not be beneficial to the
performance.
If you find this is a problem, you could opt to e.g. keep the first
layer of the dictionary in memory, but map each value to a separate
bsddb, so that you'd need to do less pickling/unpickling.
Alternatively you could choose to store them as a sort of path in the
bsddb, like this (obviously wasteful in terms of space):
'p1/p2/p3/p4': '20'
'p1/p2/p3/p5': '45'
Combinations of the approaches above are also possible and I have no
idea which would be best.
>> - Will the dictionaries take up less memory if I use numbers rather
>> than words as keys (i.e. will {3:45, 6:77, 9:33} consume less memory
>> than {"eloquent":45, "helpless":77, "samaritan":33} )? And if so:
>> Slightly less, or substantially less memory?
Here's a simple test:
>>> x = [str(i) for i in range(10, 100)]
vs.
>>> x = [i for i in range(10, 100)]
The interpreter takes about 50 MB for the str() version and about 20 for
the non-str() version - eyeballed in the Task manager. So it does make a
significant difference, though not an order-of-magnitude difference.
That may be enough for now, but if this script stays in use, you're
bound at some point to need even more.
>> - What are common methods to monitor the memory usage of a script?
>> Can I add a snippet to the code that prints out how many MBs of
>> memory a certain dictionary takes up at that particular time?
Not as such. In your case, I think the task manager would be enough. You
only have this one demanding data structure I assume, so in a rough
approximation you can pretend that whatever the task manager reports
(have a look at VM and peak memory usage columns, not just memory usage)
is caused by the contents of the dictionary.
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Re: [Tutor] geeks like us and the rest of THEM
> That's part of it. a good installer is another, and I am loo]king at a > couple. A solid and drool-proof server is the remaining leg of the > tripod. So far, none of the servers I have seen are satisfactory on all > scores- simplicity to install, reliability, economy of cost, (free or > unlimited license to me for a modest fee) and ease to configure if the > use\r so wishes. the closest I have yet seen SMALL HTTP SERVER. And it > is very good. > http://smallsrv.com/ You could have a look at Aprelium's Abyss server (X1, which is freely distributable in unmodified form IIRC, but closed source). It has a good looking webbased configuration console and is cross-platform if you ever need that. However, you'll probably end up digging in its config programmatically to set up paths and such for the user - shouldn't be too hard using some webscraping if the files are not readily modifiable. Its setup is about 350 kB. In terms of installers, NSIS (with the package to make it look modern, instead of that awful default look - forgot its name) or InnoSetup are the usual suspects. NSIS has a smaller overhead, but an uglier language. -- Yours, Andrei = Mail address in header catches spam. Real contact info: ''.join([''.join(s) for s in zip( "[EMAIL PROTECTED] pmfe!Pes ontuei ulcpss edtels,s hr' one oC.", "rjc5wndon.Sa-re laed o s npbi ot.Ira h it oteesn edt C")]) ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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