Re: [Tutor] associating two objects without ORM and processing a text file
On 15/02/13 03:09, neubyr wrote: I do have a doubt regarding this - e.g. how would I implement this if my program/application is web based. For example, loading the text file during web server start and stop. For a long running process like a web server this is probably the wrong approach. You probably want to save the data more regularly - maybe even at the end of every user transaction. But with a web server we have the additional problem of usually wanting to handle multiple requests in parallel so storing data in memory gets more complicated - which takes us back to using a data base which pretty much handles all of that for you. If you will only have a single request running at a time then you can use the same try/finally approach in your transaction processing code. But because they run so often I'd add the 'dirty flag' idea that somebody else mentioned too so that you don;t sabve if no changes have been made. A dirty flag is simply a global (or class) level variable (isDirty) that gets set by your code anytime you change the data. If a book changes its state it sets the flag to True. The save code then does something like with open(filename) as store if Book.isDirty: for book in Book.instances: book.save(store) That will ensure that any changes are saved but we don't waste time if no changes exist. -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Newbie Here -- Averaging Adding Madness Over a Given (x) Range?!?!
@Bob @David -- I gave you all the other parts to give you a background, and context as it relates to my 'problem'. My apologies if it seems obfuscated. I took an hour to write that email, and revised it several times in an attempt to provide good information. Please disregard my OP. On 02/14/2013 05:06 PM, bob gailer wrote: On 2/14/2013 3:55 PM, Michael McConachie wrote: [snip] I agree with dave angel - the specification is far from clear. please clarify. perhaps a simple example that goes from input to desired output. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Newbie Here -- Averaging Adding Madness Over a Given (x) Range?!?!
@ Stephen, Thank you for the answers. I appreciate your understanding, and patience; I understand that it was confusing (unintentionally) and probably irritating to any of the seasoned tutor list members. Your examples helped greatly, and was the push I needed. Happy Friday, and thanks again, Mike On 02/14/2013 05:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On 15/02/13 07:55, Michael McConachie wrote: Essentially: 1. I have a list of numbers that already exist in a file. I generate this file by parsing info from logs. 2. Each line contains an integer on it (corresponding to the number of milliseconds that it takes to complete a certain repeated task). 3. There are over a million entries in this file, one per line; at any given time it can be just a few thousand, or more than a million. Example: --- 173 1685 1152 253 1623 A million entries sounds like a lot to you or me, but to your computer, it's not. When you start talking tens or hundreds of millions, that's possibly a lot. Do you know how to read those numbers into a Python list? Here is the baby step way to do so: data = [] # Start with an empty list. f = open(filename) # Obviously you have to use the actual file name. for line in f: # Read the file one line at a time. num = int(line) # Convert each line into an integer (whole number) data.append(num) # and append it to the end of the list. f.close() # Close the file when done. Here's a more concise way to do it: with open(filename) as f: data = [int(line) for line in f] Once you have that list of numbers, you can sum the whole lot: sum(data) or just a range of the items: sum(data[:100]) # The first 100 items. sum(data[100:200]) # The second 100 items. sum(data[-50:]) # The last 50 items. sum(data[1000:]) # Item 1001 to the end. (See below.) sum(data[5:99:3]) # Every third item, starting at index 5 and ending at index 98. This is called slicing, and it is perhaps the most powerful and useful technique that Python gives you for dealing with lists. The rules though are not necessarily the most intuitive though. A slice is either a pair of numbers separated with a colon, inside the square brackets: data[start:end] or a triple: data[start:end:step] Any of these three numbers can be left out. The default values are: start=0 end=length of the sequence being sliced step=1 They can also be negative. If start or end are negative, they are interpreted as from the end rather than from the beginning. Item positions are counted from 0, which will be very familiar to C programmers. The start index is included in the slice, the end position is excluded. The model that you should think of is to imagine the sequence of items labelled with their index, starting from zero, and with a vertical line *between* each position. Here is a sequence of 26 items, showing the index in the first line and the value in the second: |0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9| ... |25| |a|b|c|d|e|f|g|h|i|j| ... |z | When you take a slice, the items are always cut at the left. So, if the above is called letters, we have: letters[0:4] # returns abcd letters[2:8] # returns cdefgh letters[2:8:2] # returns ceg letters[-3:] # returns xyz Eventually what I'll need to do is: 1. Index the file and/or count the lines, as to identify each line's positional relevance so that it can average any range of numbers that are sequential; one to one another. No need. Python already does that, automatically, when you read the data into a list. 2. Calculate the difference between any given (x) range. In order to be able to ask the program to average every 5, 10, 100, 100, or 10,000 etc. -- until completion. This includes the need to dealing with stray remainders at the end of the file that aren't divisible by that initial requested range. I don't quite understand you here. First you say difference, then you say average. Can you show a sample of data, say, 10 values, and the sorts of typical calculations you want to perform, with the answers you expect to get? For example, here's 10 numbers: 103, 104, 105, 109, 111, 112, 115, 120, 123, 128 Here are the running averages of 3 values: (103+104+105)/3 (104+105+109)/3 (105+109+111)/3 (109+111+112)/3 (111+112+115)/3 (112+115+120)/3 (115+120+123)/3 (120+123+128)/3 Is that what you mean? If so, then Python can deal with this trivially, using slicing. With your data stored in list data, as above, I can say: for i in range(0, len(data)-3): # Stop 3 from the end. print sum(data[i:i+3]) to print the running sums taking three items at a time. The rest of your post just confuses me. Until you explain exactly what calculations you are trying to perform, I can't tell you how to perform them :-) ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or
Re: [Tutor] Newbie Here -- Averaging Adding Madness Over a Given (x) Range?!?!
snip Eventually what I'll need to do is: 1. Index the file and/or count the lines, as to identify each line's positional relevance so that it can average any range of numbers that are sequential; one to one another. In other words: you would like to down-sample your data? For example, reduce a sampling frequency from 1000 samples/second (1KHz) to 100, by averaging every ten sequential data points? 2. Calculate the difference between any given (x) range. In order to be able to ask the program to average every 5, 10, 100, 100, or 10,000 etc. -- until completion. This includes the need to dealing with stray remainders at the end of the file that aren't divisible by that initial requested range. In other words: you would like to calculate a running/moving average, with window size as a parameter? ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Newbie Here -- Averaging Adding Madness Over a Given (x) Range?!?!
On 02/15/2013 04:03 PM, Albert-Jan Roskam wrote: snip Eventually what I'll need to do is: 1. Index the file and/or count the lines, as to identify each line's positional relevance so that it can average any range of numbers that are sequential; one to one another. In other words: you would like to down-sample your data? For example, reduce a sampling frequency from 1000 samples/second (1KHz) to 100, by averaging every ten sequential data points? I think so. When I said 'index' in my OP, I wasn't sure how to explain that each line would be used positionally to identify each group of (x) among themselves. (That's all I meant.) I am trying to identify gradient(s) in order to determine performance 'thresholds' if they exist. We are noting that as the number of tasks (already performed) increases, a noticeable decrease in the performance of a certain repeated task exists. I am trying to determine that point/elbow in the performance curve. I have been asked to identify, and plot the overall 'average performance' with varying levels of granularity. (Averaging 10, by 100, by 1000, etc.) The file I mentioned in my OP contains the measurement of time it takes to complete these repeated tasks. Each entry is on it's own line. The recorded data is in literal order of completion. I am averaging those (ms time entries) in sets of (x) to keep from having to compute the difference in time for each completed task individually. ie: Lines 1-10, (11-20, 21-30 -- to completion) are averaged and read into a list, or hash in order. or: Lines 1-100, (101-200, 201-300 -- to completion) are averaged and read into a list, or hash in order. or: Lines 1-1000, (1001-2000, 2001-3000 -- to completion) are averaged and read into a list, or hash in order. etc, etc. 2. Calculate the difference between any given (x) range. In order to be able to ask the program to average every 5, 10, 100, 100, or 10,000 etc. -- until completion. This includes the need to dealing with stray remainders at the end of the file that aren't divisible by that initial requested range. In other words: you would like to calculate a running/moving average, with window size as a parameter? Yes. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am very new to Python, I am using the e-book Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner and am starting with a simple Game Over Program. This is the code:which is extremely simple! printGame Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) welcome Nicholas One important thing about python is indentation is important. You have presented your code in a way that can't be. Can you actually copy your program and paste it into an email message. Also, Windows, Linux, Mac? That's it. It is supposed to bring up a window that says Game Over and at the bottom say Press enter Key to exit and when you press the enter key it is supposed to exit(big suprise). But all it does is highlight raw_input and says invalid syntax Now, if I just put print Game Over then it says Game Over UNDERNEATH the code I just printed! now I am following the book to the *pixel* and that is not what is supposed to happen! Please email me back as soon as you get this...(if you are not to busy). Thanks,Nicholas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com Sorry, I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit with Python 3.3 Here is the code in exact form print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) Thanks, Nicholas You need to unindent the raw_input like so: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) In python you indent code blocks (like for loops, if statements, function blocks, etc.). You can't just indent from one line to the next in sequential code or you will be told its a syntax error -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.comwrote: It Didn't work. First of all, reply to all. You are sending messages to me only, not to the group. Other's may be able to help you better than I can. Second. It didn't work is not a useful answer. So you have a file with two lines in it. The first has a print statement. The second has a raw_input statement. When you run it, what happens exactly? Do you get a traceback message telling you what the error is, and on what line? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am very new to Python, I am using the e-book Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner and am starting with a simple Game Over Program. This is the code:which is extremely simple! printGame Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) welcome Nicholas One important thing about python is indentation is important. You have presented your code in a way that can't be. Can you actually copy your program and paste it into an email message. Also, Windows, Linux, Mac? That's it. It is supposed to bring up a window that says Game Over and at the bottom say Press enter Key to exit and when you press the enter key it is supposed to exit(big suprise). But all it does is highlight raw_input and says invalid syntax Now, if I just put print Game Over then it says Game Over UNDERNEATH the code I just printed! now I am following the book to the *pixel* and that is not what is supposed to happen! Please email me back as soon as you get this...(if you are not to busy). Thanks,Nicholas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com Sorry, I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit with Python 3.3 Here is the code in exact form print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) Thanks, Nicholas You need to unindent the raw_input like so: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) In python you indent code blocks (like for loops, if statements, function blocks, etc.). You can't just indent from one line to the next in sequential code or you will be told its a syntax error -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
Are you using python 2 or python 3? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.comwrote: Ok, so I made a shortcut to IDLE(GUI) and I open it up. click New Window and type in the code: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) and save the file on my desktop. I double-click it and it opens a black window with gray text for a split second and if you look quickly enough then you can see Invalid Sytnax. If I do the same code in the Interactive Window then it highlights raw_input and says Invalid Syntax Are you using python 2 or python 3? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: It Didn't work. First of all, reply to all. You are sending messages to me only, not to the group. Other's may be able to help you better than I can. Second. It didn't work is not a useful answer. So you have a file with two lines in it. The first has a print statement. The second has a raw_input statement. When you run it, what happens exactly? Do you get a traceback message telling you what the error is, and on what line? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am very new to Python, I am using the e-book Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner and am starting with a simple Game Over Program. This is the code:which is extremely simple! printGame Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) welcome Nicholas One important thing about python is indentation is important. You have presented your code in a way that can't be. Can you actually copy your program and paste it into an email message. Also, Windows, Linux, Mac? That's it. It is supposed to bring up a window that says Game Over and at the bottom say Press enter Key to exit and when you press the enter key it is supposed to exit(big suprise). But all it does is highlight raw_input and says invalid syntax Now, if I just put print Game Over then it says Game Over UNDERNEATH the code I just printed! now I am following the book to the *pixel* and that is not what is supposed to happen! Please email me back as soon as you get this...(if you are not to busy). Thanks,Nicholas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com Sorry, I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit with Python 3.3 Here is the code in exact form print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) Thanks, Nicholas You need to unindent the raw_input like so: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) In python you indent code blocks (like for loops, if statements, function blocks, etc.). You can't just indent from one line to the next in sequential code or you will be told its a syntax error -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.comwrote: Are you using python 2 or python 3? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so I made a shortcut to IDLE(GUI) and I open it up. click New Window and type in the code: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) and save the file on my desktop. I double-click it and it opens a black window with gray text for a split second and if you look quickly enough then you can see Invalid Sytnax. If I do the same code in the Interactive Window then it highlights raw_input and says Invalid Syntax Are you using python 2 or python 3? Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed to input. so change that and it will work for you. There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to look out for. Go to the python.org site to learn about them. Your book was written for python 2 it seems On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: It Didn't work. First of all, reply to all. You are sending messages to me only, not to the group. Other's may be able to help you better than I can. Second. It didn't work is not a useful answer. So you have a file with two lines in it. The first has a print statement. The second has a raw_input statement. When you run it, what happens exactly? Do you get a traceback message telling you what the error is, and on what line? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am very new to Python, I am using the e-book Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner and am starting with a simple Game Over Program. This is the code:which is extremely simple! printGame Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) welcome Nicholas One important thing about python is indentation is important. You have presented your code in a way that can't be. Can you actually copy your program and paste it into an email message. Also, Windows, Linux, Mac? That's it. It is supposed to bring up a window that says Game Over and at the bottom say Press enter Key to exit and when you press the enter key it is supposed to exit(big suprise). But all it does is highlight raw_input and says invalid syntax Now, if I just put print Game Over then it says Game Over UNDERNEATH the code I just printed! now I am following the book to the *pixel* and that is not what is supposed to happen! Please email me back as soon as you get this...(if you are not to busy). Thanks,Nicholas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com Sorry, I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit with Python 3.3 Here is the code in exact form print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) Thanks, Nicholas You need to unindent the raw_input like so: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) In python you indent code blocks (like for loops, if statements, function blocks, etc.). You can't just indent from one line to the next in sequential code or you will be told its a syntax error -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
so copy the code and the error message here On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.comwrote: I did what you said, nothing changed. same errors, same syntax message. I suggest you run it on your IDLE to see if it works. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: Are you using python 2 or python 3? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so I made a shortcut to IDLE(GUI) and I open it up. click New Window and type in the code: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) and save the file on my desktop. I double-click it and it opens a black window with gray text for a split second and if you look quickly enough then you can see Invalid Sytnax. If I do the same code in the Interactive Window then it highlights raw_input and says Invalid Syntax Are you using python 2 or python 3? Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed to input. so change that and it will work for you. There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to look out for. Go to the python.org site to learn about them. Your book was written for python 2 it seems On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: It Didn't work. First of all, reply to all. You are sending messages to me only, not to the group. Other's may be able to help you better than I can. Second. It didn't work is not a useful answer. So you have a file with two lines in it. The first has a print statement. The second has a raw_input statement. When you run it, what happens exactly? Do you get a traceback message telling you what the error is, and on what line? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am very new to Python, I am using the e-book Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner and am starting with a simple Game Over Program. This is the code:which is extremely simple! printGame Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) welcome Nicholas One important thing about python is indentation is important. You have presented your code in a way that can't be. Can you actually copy your program and paste it into an email message. Also, Windows, Linux, Mac? That's it. It is supposed to bring up a window that says Game Over and at the bottom say Press enter Key to exit and when you press the enter key it is supposed to exit(big suprise). But all it does is highlight raw_input and says invalid syntax Now, if I just put print Game Over then it says Game Over UNDERNEATH the code I just printed! now I am following the book to the *pixel* and that is not what is supposed to happen! Please email me back as soon as you get this...(if you are not to busy). Thanks,Nicholas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com Sorry, I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit with Python 3.3 Here is the code in exact form print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) Thanks, Nicholas You need to unindent the raw_input like so: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) In python you indent code blocks (like for loops, if statements, function blocks, etc.). You can't just indent from one line to the next in sequential code or you will be told its a syntax error -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
Sorry, sent before finishing...
If you changed raw_input, as asked.
Now, it complains about print 'Game Over'
Should become print('Game Over')
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jos Kerc josk...@gmail.com wrote:
No, not same. At lea
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com
wrote:
so copy the code and the error message here
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
I did what you said, nothing changed.
same errors, same syntax message.
I suggest you run it on your IDLE to see if it works.
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you using python 2 or python 3?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, so I made a shortcut to IDLE(GUI) and I open it up. click New
Window and type in the code:
print Game Over
raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit)
and save the file on my desktop.
I double-click it and it opens a black window with gray text for a
split second and if you look quickly enough then you can see Invalid
Sytnax.
If I do the same code in the Interactive Window then it highlights
raw_input and says Invalid Syntax
Are you using python 2 or python 3?
Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed to
input. so change that and it will work for you.
There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to look
out for. Go to the python.org site to learn about them. Your book
was written for python 2 it seems
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
It Didn't work.
First of all, reply to all. You are sending messages to me only,
not to the group. Other's may be able to help you better than I can.
Second. It didn't work is not a useful answer.
So you have a file with two lines in it. The first has a print
statement. The second has a raw_input statement. When you run it, what
happens exactly? Do you get a traceback message telling you what the
error
is, and on what line?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am very new to Python, I am using the e-book Python
Programming for the Absolute Beginner and am starting with a
simple Game
Over Program. This is the code:which is extremely simple!
printGame Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit)
welcome Nicholas
One important thing about python is indentation is important.
You have presented your code in a way that can't be. Can you
actually copy
your program and paste it into an email message. Also, Windows,
Linux, Mac?
That's it. It is supposed to bring up a window that says Game
Over and at the bottom say Press enter Key to exit and when you
press
the enter key it is supposed to exit(big suprise).
But all it does is highlight raw_input and says invalid
syntax Now, if I just put print Game Over then it says Game
Over
UNDERNEATH the code I just printed!
now I am following the book to the *pixel* and that is not
what is supposed to happen!
Please email me back as soon as you get this...(if you are not
to busy).
Thanks,Nicholas
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
Sorry, I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit with Python 3.3
Here is the code in exact form
print Game Over
raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit)
Thanks,
Nicholas
You need to unindent the raw_input like so:
print Game Over
raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit)
In python you indent code blocks (like for loops, if statements,
function blocks, etc.). You can't just indent from one line to the
next in
sequential code or you will be told its a syntax error
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
--
Nicholas J. Piotrowski
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
--
Nicholas J. Piotrowski
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
--
Nicholas J. Piotrowski
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
___
Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
___
Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
No, not same. At lea On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.comwrote: so copy the code and the error message here On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: I did what you said, nothing changed. same errors, same syntax message. I suggest you run it on your IDLE to see if it works. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: Are you using python 2 or python 3? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so I made a shortcut to IDLE(GUI) and I open it up. click New Window and type in the code: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) and save the file on my desktop. I double-click it and it opens a black window with gray text for a split second and if you look quickly enough then you can see Invalid Sytnax. If I do the same code in the Interactive Window then it highlights raw_input and says Invalid Syntax Are you using python 2 or python 3? Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed to input. so change that and it will work for you. There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to look out for. Go to the python.org site to learn about them. Your book was written for python 2 it seems On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: It Didn't work. First of all, reply to all. You are sending messages to me only, not to the group. Other's may be able to help you better than I can. Second. It didn't work is not a useful answer. So you have a file with two lines in it. The first has a print statement. The second has a raw_input statement. When you run it, what happens exactly? Do you get a traceback message telling you what the error is, and on what line? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joel Goldstick joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am very new to Python, I am using the e-book Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner and am starting with a simple Game Over Program. This is the code:which is extremely simple! printGame Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit) welcome Nicholas One important thing about python is indentation is important. You have presented your code in a way that can't be. Can you actually copy your program and paste it into an email message. Also, Windows, Linux, Mac? That's it. It is supposed to bring up a window that says Game Over and at the bottom say Press enter Key to exit and when you press the enter key it is supposed to exit(big suprise). But all it does is highlight raw_input and says invalid syntax Now, if I just put print Game Over then it says Game Over UNDERNEATH the code I just printed! now I am following the book to the *pixel* and that is not what is supposed to happen! Please email me back as soon as you get this...(if you are not to busy). Thanks,Nicholas -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com Sorry, I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit with Python 3.3 Here is the code in exact form print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) Thanks, Nicholas You need to unindent the raw_input like so: print Game Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit) In python you indent code blocks (like for loops, if statements, function blocks, etc.). You can't just indent from one line to the next in sequential code or you will be told its a syntax error -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com -- Nicholas J. Piotrowski -- Joel Goldstick http://joelgoldstick.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
On 15/02/2013 22:31, Joel Goldstick wrote: Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed to input. so change that and it will work for you. There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to look out for. Go to the python.org http://python.org site to learn about them. Your book was written for python 2 it seems In Python 3 the syntax error is caused by print not having brackets, not the as it happens the incorrect call to raw_input. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com
wrote:
It works, but it doesn't open a window. It just says that stuff under the
code. How do you open a window?
Depends...
How do you run the script? From Idle, command prompt?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Jos Kerc josk...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, sent before finishing...
If you changed raw_input, as asked.
Now, it complains about print 'Game Over'
Should become print('Game Over')
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jos Kerc josk...@gmail.com wrote:
No, not same. At lea
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
so copy the code and the error message here
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
I did what you said, nothing changed.
same errors, same syntax message.
I suggest you run it on your IDLE to see if it works.
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you using python 2 or python 3?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, so I made a shortcut to IDLE(GUI) and I open it up. click New
Window and type in the code:
print Game Over
raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit)
and save the file on my desktop.
I double-click it and it opens a black window with gray text for a
split second and if you look quickly enough then you can see Invalid
Sytnax.
If I do the same code in the Interactive Window then it highlights
raw_input and says Invalid Syntax
Are you using python 2 or python 3?
Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed to
input. so change that and it will work for you.
There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to look
out for. Go to the python.org site to learn about them. Your book
was written for python 2 it seems
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
It Didn't work.
First of all, reply to all. You are sending messages to me only,
not to the group. Other's may be able to help you better than I can.
Second. It didn't work is not a useful answer.
So you have a file with two lines in it. The first has a print
statement. The second has a raw_input statement. When you run it,
what
happens exactly? Do you get a traceback message telling you what the
error
is, and on what line?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am very new to Python, I am using the e-book Python
Programming for the Absolute Beginner and am starting with a
simple Game
Over Program. This is the code:which is extremely simple!
printGame Over raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit)
welcome Nicholas
One important thing about python is indentation is important.
You have presented your code in a way that can't be. Can you
actually copy
your program and paste it into an email message. Also, Windows,
Linux, Mac?
That's it. It is supposed to bring up a window that says
Game Over and at the bottom say Press enter Key to exit and
when you
press the enter key it is supposed to exit(big suprise).
But all it does is highlight raw_input and says invalid
syntax Now, if I just put print Game Over then it says Game
Over
UNDERNEATH the code I just printed!
now I am following the book to the *pixel* and that is not
what is supposed to happen!
Please email me back as soon as you get this...(if you are
not to busy).
Thanks,Nicholas
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
Sorry, I am using Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit with Python 3.3
Here is the code in exact form
print Game Over
raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit)
Thanks,
Nicholas
You need to unindent the raw_input like so:
print Game Over
raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to Exit)
In python you indent code blocks (like for loops, if statements,
function blocks, etc.). You can't just indent from one line to the
next in
sequential code or you will be told its a syntax error
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
--
Nicholas J. Piotrowski
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
--
Nicholas J. Piotrowski
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
--
Nicholas J. Piotrowski
--
Joel Goldstick
http://joelgoldstick.com
___
Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
On 02/15/2013 06:28 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: On 15/02/2013 22:31, Joel Goldstick wrote: Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed to input. so change that and it will work for you. There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to look out for. Go to the python.org http://python.org site to learn about them. Your book was written for python 2 it seems In Python 3 the syntax error is caused by print not having brackets, not the as it happens the incorrect call to raw_input. Can we please kill this thread? Somehow it got transported from python-list to tutor, but all the OP posts are on python-list. That combined with top-posting and the OP using a different name in their signature than in the email address makes the whole thing very confusing. Besides, three hours ago, the OP (Nicholas/Deborah) posted a Solved message: WAIT!! It works now, I just needed to save it in script. Thank you guys so much!! My best regards, Nicholas -- DaveA ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Tutor Digest, Vol 108, Issue 58
Hi, I signed up a while ago, but I didn't really understand anything. I
have a basic question that maybe someone can help with. I'll like to
integrate yelp data -- http://www.programmableweb.com/api/yelp -- onto
google maps -- http://www.programmableweb.com/api/google-maps -- like how
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/New_York-New_York has it under
Amenities. But I want it on maps.google.com because I have no idea how to
put the map on a separate webpage.
I'll like to know if I need python for this :)
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:03 PM, tutor-requ...@python.org wrote:
Send Tutor mailing list submissions to
tutor@python.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
tutor-requ...@python.org
You can reach the person managing the list at
tutor-ow...@python.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than Re: Contents of Tutor digest...
Today's Topics:
1. Re: New User-Need-Help (Mark Lawrence)
2. Re: New User-Need-Help (Jos Kerc)
--
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:28:23 +
From: Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
To: tutor@python.org
Subject: Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
Message-ID: kfmg8g$7d4$1...@ger.gmane.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 15/02/2013 22:31, Joel Goldstick wrote:
Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed to
input. so change that and it will work for you.
There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to look
out for. Go to the python.org http://python.org site to learn about
them. Your book was written for python 2 it seems
In Python 3 the syntax error is caused by print not having brackets, not
the as it happens the incorrect call to raw_input.
--
Cheers.
Mark Lawrence
--
Message: 2
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:03:22 +0100
From: Jos Kerc josk...@gmail.com
To: Deborah Piotrowski spiceninj...@gmail.com
Cc: tutor@python.org tutor@python.org
Subject: Re: [Tutor] New User-Need-Help
Message-ID:
CAKs9EsuoPF1tK3mq5a-RP0a+9951v6Q=
d-pnxu0xomtxq2y...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com
wrote:
It works, but it doesn't open a window. It just says that stuff under the
code. How do you open a window?
Depends...
How do you run the script? From Idle, command prompt?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Jos Kerc josk...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, sent before finishing...
If you changed raw_input, as asked.
Now, it complains about print 'Game Over'
Should become print('Game Over')
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jos Kerc josk...@gmail.com wrote:
No, not same. At lea
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
so copy the code and the error message here
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
I did what you said, nothing changed.
same errors, same syntax message.
I suggest you run it on your IDLE to see if it works.
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you using python 2 or python 3?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, so I made a shortcut to IDLE(GUI) and I open it up. click New
Window and type in the code:
print Game Over
raw_input(\n\nPress Enter Key to exit)
and save the file on my desktop.
I double-click it and it opens a black window with gray text for a
split second and if you look quickly enough then you can see
Invalid
Sytnax.
If I do the same code in the Interactive Window then it highlights
raw_input and says Invalid Syntax
Are you using python 2 or python 3?
Sorry, you said above python 3. In python 3 raw_input was changed
to
input. so change that and it will work for you.
There are some differences between 2 and 3 that you will need to
look
out for. Go to the python.org site to learn about them. Your book
was written for python 2 it seems
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Joel Goldstick
joel.goldst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Deborah Piotrowski
spiceninj...@gmail.com wrote:
It Didn't work.
First of all, reply to all. You are sending messages to me only,
not to the group. Other's may be able to help you better than I
can.
Second. It didn't work is not a useful answer.
So you have a file with two lines in it. The first has a print
statement. The second has a raw_input statement.
Re: [Tutor] associating two objects without ORM and processing a text file
On 15/02/13 16:38, eryksun wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Prasad, Ramit ramit.pra...@jpmorgan.com wrote: My knee jerk response is a try/finally block, but I am sure there are better ways. The atexit.register decorator hooks sys.exitfunc: http://docs.python.org/2/library/atexit I find a try...finally block more readable and obvious than a hidden atexit function. At least the try...finally block is explicit: try: main() finally: do_stuff() while atexit can be set anywhere and isn't obvious. It's also somewhat risky, since you never know when some library you import will silently replace it with their own hook. Also, keep in mind that you can't rely on atexit hooks to run. Or the finally block for that matter. They can fail to run when: - the Python process is killed from the outside, say using kill -9 under Linux; - or the entire computer goes down, say after a power failure; - or the operating system crashes and takes everything else down; - or something calls os._exit() while your code is running, say some external library. So if you're serious about saving data, you cannot afford to wait until the program quits before saving the user's work. You should be saving whenever the user makes some change. -- Steven ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
