Re: [Tutor] Difference between popens

2006-06-10 Thread Michael P. Reilly
On 6/9/06, Bernard Lebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey, thanks for the nice explanation Michael!BernardWhoops.. Hit reply instead of reply to all. My apologies to the group. Dang gmail. -Michael
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[Tutor] Difference between popens

2006-06-09 Thread Bernard Lebel
Hi,

I'd like to know what are the differences at the various os.popenX
flavors. I read the documentation and I can see they return file
objects. so what can you do with these file objects? I mean, why
would you need a set of file objects rather than another?

Sorry the difference is very not clear to me.


Thanks
Bernard
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Re: [Tutor] Difference between popens

2006-06-09 Thread Dave Kuhlman
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 03:38:58PM -0400, Bernard Lebel wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'd like to know what are the differences at the various os.popenX
 flavors. I read the documentation and I can see they return file
 objects. so what can you do with these file objects? I mean, why
 would you need a set of file objects rather than another?
 


See documentation at
http://docs.python.org/lib/os-newstreams.html#l2h-1552.

And, notice how the return values from the various versions of
popen are different file types: stdin, stdout, and stderr.

A summary:

- popen() gives you either an input pipe (stdin) or an output
  pipe (stdout) but not both.

- popen2() gives you both an input pipe (stdin) and output pipe
  (stdout).

- popen3() gives you an input pipe (stdin) and output pipe
  (stdout) and an error pipe (stderr).

- popen4() gives you an input pipe and a pipe that combines output
  and errors (stdout and stderr).

Specifically, if you want to run a command, just like you would
with os.system(), but:

1. You want to *either* feed (pipe) text to your command *or* read
   results from your command, use os.popen() and use mode= 'w' or
   'r'.

2. You want to both feed (pipe) text to your command *and* read
   results from your command, use os.popen2().

Etc.

If you get an input pipe, you should write text to that pipe, then
close that stream.  Doing close() is what triggers execution of the
command.

If you get an output pipe, then (after the command runs), read
from that pipe to get the results of your command (i.e. the text
that the command wrote to stdout).

Here is a simple example that uses popen2::

import os

def test():
instream, outstream = os.popen2('grep dave')
instream.write('Line #1\n')
instream.write('Line #2 dave is here\n')
instream.write('Line #3\n')
instream.write('Line #4 dave is also here\n')
instream.write('Line #5\n')
instream.close()
for line in outstream:
print 'Line: %s' % line.rstrip()

test()

Note that there is also a popen module, which has functions with
the same names and functionality:

This functionality is also available in the popen2 module
using functions of the same names, but the return values of
those functions have a different order.

See: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-popen2.html

Hope this helps.

Dave


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Re: [Tutor] Difference between popens

2006-06-09 Thread Alan Gauld
 I'd like to know what are the differences at the various os.popenX
 flavors. I read the documentation and I can see they return file
 objects. so what can you do with these file objects? I mean, why
 would you need a set of file objects rather than another?

My OS topic covers some of the popen variants with explanation.
It might help.

Here are the most relevant two paragraphs:

--
In fact there are several variations of the popen command called 
popen, popen2, popen3 and popen4. The numbers refer to the various 
data stream combinations that are made available. The standard data 
streams were described in a sidebar in the Talking to the User topic. 
The basic version of popen simply creates a single data stream where 
all input/output is sent/received depending on a mode parameter passed 
to the function. In essence it tries to make executing a command look 
like using a file object.

By contrast, popen2 offers two streams, one for standard output and 
another for standard input, so we can send data to the process and 
read the output without closing the process. popen3 provides stderr 
access in addition to stdin/stdout. Finally there is popen4 that 
combines stderr and stdout into a single stream which appears very 
like normal console output. In Python 2.4 all of these popen calls 
have been superseded by a new Popen class found in a new subprocess 
module which we will look at later. For now we will only look at the 
standard os.popen() function, the others I will leave as a research 
exercise!

---

Alan Gauld
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld


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