Re: [Tutor] Differences between while and for
On 15/06/2019 05:53, mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: > In C, Perl and other languages. As a point of interest not all languages have these constructs. Oberon, for example, only has a while loop because it can be used to simulate all other loop types. Some Lisp dialects don't even have a loop construct because recursion can be used instead. In addition to for, while and repeat/until some languages (eg ADA and some BASICs) include a general loop construct. And of course in assembler GOTO is the ultimate loop construct. Don;t assume that just because one language supports a particular construct that others will or should also support it. The variety of control structures offered is one of the defining features of any programming language. -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld Follow my photo-blog on Flickr at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Differences between while and for
On 15Jun2019 14:53, Sean Murphy wrote:
In C, Perl and other languages. While only uses a conditional statement
and
for uses an iteration. In python while and for seems to be the same and I
cannot see the difference.
No, they're really much as in other languages.
In general (most languages), a for loop is for iterating over some
collection or list. A while is not explicitly for iteration over some
collection, it is for repeating an action until some condition fails (or
the inverse of the condition is achieved).
Let's take C's for loop. It really is closely related to a while. That's
because C is a pretty low level language. Early C is almost like a
structured assembly language (well, it is a lot better, but it is
deliberately close to the underlying machine). So C's for loop goes:
for (setup; condition; advance)
statement-or-block
You can leave any of these out. It is equivalent to this while loop:
setup
while condition:
statement-or-block
advance
but it is almost always used for iteration:
s="foo"
for (i=0; s[i]; i++)
...
which counts "i" along the string "s". You _can_ use of for arbitrary
while loops, but idiomatically that is rarely done - it is conceptually
useful to use "for" for various kinds of iteration and "while" for more
arbitrary repetition.
Python is a bit more rigid. The "while" loop is just like "while" in
other languages: do something while a condition holds. But a "for" loop
in Python is inherently about iteration; it is defined as:
for variable in iterable:
suite
and applies to any "iterable", some object or expression which can be
iterated over. Any object which is iterable may be used. So it is very
oriented towards collections of various kinds: lists, tuples, dictionary
(iterates over the keys) and so on.
Python does not have an until (do while) where
the test is done at the end of the loop. Permitting a once through the loop
block. Am I correct or is there a difference and if so what is it?
You're correct.
Why doesn't Python have an until statement?
Basicly because it isn't necessary. It is usually easy enough to work
around the lack that nobody has made a conincing case (meaning nobody
has convinced the core developers). It would probably be written:
do:
...
while condition
in some form if it ever came in to avoid using an new keyword ("until").
It does sometimes take a little contortion to make a do/while loop into
a Python while - you usually have to perform some kind of hack to make
the condition initially true. In the extreme case you just treat the
first loop specially:
first = True
while first or the-actual-condition:
... do stuff ...
first = False
if you want to use "first" during the "do stuff". Or you could be a bit
more reliable and go:
first_test = True
while first_test or the-actual-condition:
first_test = False
... do stuff ...
putting the flag up the top next to the condition.
Cheers,
Cameron Simpson
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Re: [Tutor] Differences between while and for
On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 02:53:43PM +1000, mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: > All, > > > > In C, Perl and other languages. While only uses a conditional statement and > for uses an iteration. In python while and for seems to be the same and I > cannot see the difference. Python ``while`` uses a conditional statement, and Python ``for`` uses iteration. Python's ``for`` is like "foreach" in some other languages. while condition: ... for x in values: ... > Python does not have an until (do while) where > the test is done at the end of the loop. Permitting a once through the loop > block. Am I correct or is there a difference and if so what is it? Correct, there is no "do until" in Python. > Why doesn't Python have an until statement? Because Guido didn't want one :-) Because it is unnecessary: any "do until" can be written as a regular while loop, using a break: # do...until with test at the end while True: do_something() if test: break # "loop and a half" # https://users.cs.duke.edu/~ola/patterns/plopd/loops.html#loop-and-a-half while True: do_something() if test: break do_something_else() -- Steven ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] Differences between while and for
All, In C, Perl and other languages. While only uses a conditional statement and for uses an iteration. In python while and for seems to be the same and I cannot see the difference. Python does not have an until (do while) where the test is done at the end of the loop. Permitting a once through the loop block. Am I correct or is there a difference and if so what is it? Why doesn't Python have an until statement? ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
