Re: [Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming
I read Head First Design Patterns (http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596007126). It focuses on Java and it's not only good because of the nice woman on the cover. ;-) Cheers!! Albert-Jan ~~ All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? ~~ From: Tino Dai To: Alan Gauld Cc: tutor@python.org Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 3:43:57 PM Subject: Re: [Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Alan Gauld wrote: > > "Tino Dai" wrote > >> I'm beefing up my Object-Oriented Analysis and Design - getting >> the gaps in my >> knowledge filled in through the Head First OOAD book > > I don't know it although I've seen a couple of others in the series. > > My recommendations for general OOAD books are: > > Timothy Budd - OOP. It's not Python but covers the basic principles well. > > Grady Booch - OOAD - The second edition is all in C++, The first edition, if > you can find one, > is in 5 different langiages and IMHO much better for it. It stops you > focusing on the > language and helps focus on the OO principles. > > Bruce Eckel - Thinking in Java - One of the very few books on Java that does > a good > job of teaching OO. He was going to do a Thinking in Python but I think it > died :-( > > And finally the original Design Patterns book by the Gang of Four. Its a bit > heavy > but the information is excellent. > I have Design Patterns on my desk. And I will check out the Timothy Budd and Grady Booch book. I think we might even have the first edition of that book - a benefit of working at a library. Thanks Alan! -Tino ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Knacktus wrote: > You could google for > > 1) Alex Martelli, Design Patterns > He's a Pyton guru and there're some online talks (at Google and some > conferences) about DP; a bit difficult to understand, well, he's guru ;-) > > 2) http://www.suttoncourtenay.org.uk/duncan/accu/pythonpatterns.html > I like that one. > > Also, there're some presentations about "the lack of design patterns in > Python" on the web. Google should help or look at the PyCon archives. Very > useful stuff there. Will check those out. Especially the Alex Martelli information. I think I have this Python cookbook somewhere around here. Thanks Jan! -Tino ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Alan Gauld wrote: > > "Tino Dai" wrote > >> I'm beefing up my Object-Oriented Analysis and Design - getting >> the gaps in my >> knowledge filled in through the Head First OOAD book > > I don't know it although I've seen a couple of others in the series. > > My recommendations for general OOAD books are: > > Timothy Budd - OOP. It's not Python but covers the basic principles well. > > Grady Booch - OOAD - The second edition is all in C++, The first edition, if > you can find one, > is in 5 different langiages and IMHO much better for it. It stops you > focusing on the > language and helps focus on the OO principles. > > Bruce Eckel - Thinking in Java - One of the very few books on Java that does > a good > job of teaching OO. He was going to do a Thinking in Python but I think it > died :-( > > And finally the original Design Patterns book by the Gang of Four. Its a bit > heavy > but the information is excellent. > I have Design Patterns on my desk. And I will check out the Timothy Budd and Grady Booch book. I think we might even have the first edition of that book - a benefit of working at a library. Thanks Alan! -Tino ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Serdar Tumgoren wrote: > I haven't read it yet myself, but the below book just came out: > > http://www.amazon.com/Python-3-Object-Oriented-Programming/dp/1849511268/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t > > I'm not aware of any other book that focuses exclusively on OO in Python, > though you'll find good intros to the topic in a number of the "classics," > such as the newest Learning Python (4th Edition) and Core Python (2nd > Edition). > I will check all of those out. Thanks Serdar! ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming
"Tino Dai" wrote I'm beefing up my Object-Oriented Analysis and Design - getting the gaps in my knowledge filled in through the Head First OOAD book I don't know it although I've seen a couple of others in the series. My recommendations for general OOAD books are: Timothy Budd - OOP. It's not Python but covers the basic principles well. Grady Booch - OOAD - The second edition is all in C++, The first edition, if you can find one, is in 5 different langiages and IMHO much better for it. It stops you focusing on the language and helps focus on the OO principles. Bruce Eckel - Thinking in Java - One of the very few books on Java that does a good job of teaching OO. He was going to do a Thinking in Python but I think it died :-( And finally the original Design Patterns book by the Gang of Four. Its a bit heavy but the information is excellent. HTH, -- Alan Gauld Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming
You could google for 1) Alex Martelli, Design Patterns He's a Pyton guru and there're some online talks (at Google and some conferences) about DP; a bit difficult to understand, well, he's guru ;-) 2) http://www.suttoncourtenay.org.uk/duncan/accu/pythonpatterns.html I like that one. Also, there're some presentations about "the lack of design patterns in Python" on the web. Google should help or look at the PyCon archives. Very useful stuff there. And finally, 1 gramm of practice weighs more than 1 ton of theory. I see it right now after some month absence from coding. Cheers, Jan ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming
Am 30.08.2010 20:13, schrieb Tino Dai:
Hi Everybody,
I'm beefing up my Object-Oriented Analysis and Design - getting
the gaps in my
knowledge filled in through the Head First OOAD book
(http://headfirstlabs.com/books/hfooad/).
That book focuses on Java - is there a comparable book for Python? I
have already read the
Alan Gauld's intro on classes, but I'm looking for more. My goal is to
be able to design
and code in Python in an OO fashion exploiting the OO paradigm as it related to
Python at the level of Kent Johnston (hey, if I'm going to dream,
might as well dream big! :) ).
Currently, some of the things such as inheritance and encapsulation
apply across OO languages
but interfaces (I know that Zope has this) and mixin's are language
specific constructs.
If anybody could point me in the right direction, that would be great!
TIA,
Tino
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Hi Tino,
I've started in a very simliar fashion. My first OO-app was a procedural
Fortran-style Java application ;-)
Then I stumbled over Python but was aware that I had no clue about
OO-Programming. I read the book Head First OOAD, too. And also stuff
about design patterns.
At the beginning, it's a bit confusing. There's a lot of overhead
involved due to Java's static typing. You have to use inheritance,
interfaces, abstract classes etc. to achieve certain things, e.g. make
code general ("develop for interface not implementation ...") With
Python the same things can be achieved a loot easier and in the end
clearer (at least to me). One example are the iterator and visitor
patterns. Those can be done so smoothly in Python thanks to "everything
is a first class object". It would be fatal to try to translate Java
Code from the DP book to python.
Overall, Java OO and DP are helpful to know and understanding the ideas
behind them will help you with Python. But things are done differently
with Pyhton (don't try to mimick Java!) and you will be very very happy
about that.
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Re: [Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming
I haven't read it yet myself, but the below book just came out: http://www.amazon.com/Python-3-Object-Oriented-Programming/dp/1849511268/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t I'm not aware of any other book that focuses exclusively on OO in Python, though you'll find good intros to the topic in a number of the "classics," such as the newest Learning Python (4th Edition) and Core Python (2nd Edition). ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] Help with Object Oriented Programming
Hi Everybody, I'm beefing up my Object-Oriented Analysis and Design - getting the gaps in my knowledge filled in through the Head First OOAD book (http://headfirstlabs.com/books/hfooad/). That book focuses on Java - is there a comparable book for Python? I have already read the Alan Gauld's intro on classes, but I'm looking for more. My goal is to be able to design and code in Python in an OO fashion exploiting the OO paradigm as it related to Python at the level of Kent Johnston (hey, if I'm going to dream, might as well dream big! :) ). Currently, some of the things such as inheritance and encapsulation apply across OO languages but interfaces (I know that Zope has this) and mixin's are language specific constructs. If anybody could point me in the right direction, that would be great! TIA, Tino ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
