Re: [Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT

2010-11-21 Thread Knacktus

Am 21.11.2010 04:34, schrieb delegb...@dudupay.com:

Hi People,
I am afraid only Alan has said something to me. Is it that solution would never 
come or u guys are waiting to gimme the best?

I agree with what Alan wrote. Your project sounds like real challenge 
even for experienced developers. Even for a team of experienced developers.


You need both deep knowlegde of certain areas and broad knowledge of 
programming, databases and networking/communication. Of course you don't 
get the knowlegde if you don't start to develope a system. But if you 
start with too much and too complex things the risk is that you get 
stuck. There's a saying: "You've got so much in your mouth that you 
can't chew anymore." (And you realise it only when it has happened ;-))


To avoid that risk of suddenly being buried in complexitiy and not 
knowing what to do and where to move next, I'd recommend to follow a 
step by step learning path:


With your project in mind, plan 3-5 smaller projects. Each project has 
one of the key technologies for your final project as focus. For example:


1) Create a Django site where users can register and unregister. 2 or 3 
simple web forms. Nothing more. You'll learn all the database stuff and 
Django basics.

2) Build a system that handles SMS communication.
3) Build some a nice html+JS websites.
...
...

Then you can tackle the last and most challenging task, which is to 
design your overall system: Infrastructure, layers and your 
business-logic modules/classes.


Go in small steps! That will also keep your motivation up as you get 
feedback after each step.


HTH,

Jan


Please help.
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From: "Alan Gauld"
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  wrote


I have done some extensive reading on python.
i want to design a classifieds site for jobs.


Have you done any extensive programming yet?
Reading alone will be of limited benefit and jumping into
a faurly complex web project before you have the basics
mastered will be a painful experience.

I'm assuming you have at least some experience of
web programming in other languages for you to take
such a bold step?



I am taking this as my first project and would appreciate any help.
I am looking in the direction of python, maybe django.


The choice of tools is fine, but its a big task for a first
ever Python project!

HTH,




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Re: [Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT

2010-11-21 Thread Alan Gauld


 wrote 

I am afraid only Alan has said something to me. 
Is it that solution would never come or u guys 
are waiting to gimme the best?


I think we are waiting for a specific question.

I said that your technology choice was OK for the project.

What else do you want to know.
You say you've done a lot of reading - but you don't say what?
The python tutorial? Any other tutorials? The Python cookbook?
You mention Django - have you read the introductory tutorial 
material there?


You haven't really asked us anything much yet.

Alan G.

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Re: [Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT

2010-11-21 Thread mhw
(Apologies for TP-ing)

I'd second Alan's comments about not taking this as a first piece of work.

Otherwise, Django seems a good choice - reasonably simple to get started, and 
well documented. This is the Python tutor list, so sort of assumes you are 
doing it in Python.

This list tends to work best with "how do I do X?", or even better "I've 
written X, but it doesn't work/ doesn't work well enough"

If you are going to use Django, then you should join their mailing list.

HTH,

Matt
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Subject: Re: [Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT

Hi People,
I am afraid only Alan has said something to me. Is it that solution would never 
come or u guys are waiting to gimme the best?

Please help. 
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

-Original Message-
From: "Alan Gauld" 
Sender: tutor-bounces+delegbede=dudupay@python.org
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:00:52 
To: 
Subject: Re: [Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT


 wrote

> I have done some extensive reading on python.
> i want to design a classifieds site for jobs.

Have you done any extensive programming yet?
Reading alone will be of limited benefit and jumping into
a faurly complex web project before you have the basics
mastered will be a painful experience.

I'm assuming you have at least some experience of
web programming in other languages for you to take
such a bold step?


> I am taking this as my first project and would appreciate any help.
> I am looking in the direction of python, maybe django.

The choice of tools is fine, but its a big task for a first
ever Python project!

HTH,


-- 
Alan Gauld
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.alan-g.me.uk/


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Re: [Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT

2010-11-20 Thread delegbede
Hi People,
I am afraid only Alan has said something to me. Is it that solution would never 
come or u guys are waiting to gimme the best?

Please help. 
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

-Original Message-
From: "Alan Gauld" 
Sender: tutor-bounces+delegbede=dudupay@python.org
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:00:52 
To: 
Subject: Re: [Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT


 wrote

> I have done some extensive reading on python.
> i want to design a classifieds site for jobs.

Have you done any extensive programming yet?
Reading alone will be of limited benefit and jumping into
a faurly complex web project before you have the basics
mastered will be a painful experience.

I'm assuming you have at least some experience of
web programming in other languages for you to take
such a bold step?


> I am taking this as my first project and would appreciate any help.
> I am looking in the direction of python, maybe django.

The choice of tools is fine, but its a big task for a first
ever Python project!

HTH,


-- 
Alan Gauld
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.alan-g.me.uk/


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Re: [Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT

2010-11-20 Thread Alan Gauld


 wrote


I have done some extensive reading on python.
i want to design a classifieds site for jobs.


Have you done any extensive programming yet?
Reading alone will be of limited benefit and jumping into
a faurly complex web project before you have the basics
mastered will be a painful experience.

I'm assuming you have at least some experience of
web programming in other languages for you to take
such a bold step?



I am taking this as my first project and would appreciate any help.
I am looking in the direction of python, maybe django.


The choice of tools is fine, but its a big task for a first
ever Python project!

HTH,


--
Alan Gauld
Author of the Learn to Program web site
http://www.alan-g.me.uk/


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[Tutor] JOB AD PROJECT

2010-11-19 Thread delegbede
Hi,
I have done some extensive reading on python. 
i want to design a classifieds site for jobs.
The service is meant to send people who register an sms with available jobs 
that fit their criteria/cv. 
But the main idea is that people come and register for quick jobs(like 
www.freelancer.com) and put up their 
criteria,age,location,qualificationsand when a company or employer posts a 
job,the people that fall into the category that was specified get sms and email 
alerts as to the availability of the job. 
I am taking this as my first project and would appreciate any help. 
I am looking in the direction of python, maybe django. 
Kindly help. 
Thanks. 
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