Re: [Tutor] Runestone Python Course

[ram sagar]

I am a beginner in python i found the Runestone python learning environment
the best one i came across. CodeLens is the best feature , as it shows the
actual working of the program in graphical way that one will never forget
those details.

Thanks to all the people who involved in this project.

Ram Sagar Mourya


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Jim Mooney wrote:

> But I discovered that if you delete the single leading blank in front of
> each line, then it works.
> Maybe their parser doesn't like unindented lines starting with a space...
> =
> That's odd. I haven't had any  of those problems. I wonder if it's your
> browser. I'm using FF. Are you doing the first course or the more advanced
> one? I'm only looking at the first one. If you write them I 've found them
> to be very cooperative, which is the norm for open source stuff if you're
> polite. imagine trying to get through the Microsoft phalanx to the
> programmer, if you could even find them, and then they'd say they had no
> authority to make a change until it was reviewed by the Committee of 400, a
> year from now ;')
>
> Jim
>
>
> On 23 August 2013 01:18, Francesco Loffredo  wrote:
>
>> Omar Abou Mrad wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Jim Mooney 
>>> >> cybervigilante@gmail.**com >> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://interactivepython.org
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Would be nice if it worked though, logged in through my google account,
>>> now i get this error which I can do nothing about:
>>>
>>>
>>>   Sorry, Something went wrong
>>>
>>> The error is: |invalid request|
>>>
>>>  |It was the same for me|. It gives this error message as soon as I try
>> to run one of their "ActiveCode" examples.
>> But I discovered that if you delete the single leading blank in front of
>> each line, then it works.
>> Maybe their parser doesn't like unindented lines starting with a space...
>>
>> It's a nuisance, though.
>>
>> Francesco
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> awareness and feelings. There is no hard divide, as the rape-the-earth
> crowd would have us believe..
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Re: [Tutor] Runestone Python Course

[Jim Mooney]

But I discovered that if you delete the single leading blank in front of
each line, then it works.
Maybe their parser doesn't like unindented lines starting with a space...
=
That's odd. I haven't had any  of those problems. I wonder if it's your
browser. I'm using FF. Are you doing the first course or the more advanced
one? I'm only looking at the first one. If you write them I 've found them
to be very cooperative, which is the norm for open source stuff if you're
polite. imagine trying to get through the Microsoft phalanx to the
programmer, if you could even find them, and then they'd say they had no
authority to make a change until it was reviewed by the Committee of 400, a
year from now ;')

Jim


On 23 August 2013 01:18, Francesco Loffredo  wrote:

> Omar Abou Mrad wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Jim Mooney > cybervigilante@gmail.**com >> wrote:
>>
>> http://interactivepython.org
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Would be nice if it worked though, logged in through my google account,
>> now i get this error which I can do nothing about:
>>
>>
>>   Sorry, Something went wrong
>>
>> The error is: |invalid request|
>>
>>  |It was the same for me|. It gives this error message as soon as I try
> to run one of their "ActiveCode" examples.
> But I discovered that if you delete the single leading blank in front of
> each line, then it works.
> Maybe their parser doesn't like unindented lines starting with a space...
>
> It's a nuisance, though.
>
> Francesco
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awareness and feelings. There is no hard divide, as the rape-the-earth
crowd would have us believe..
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Re: [Tutor] Runestone Python Course

[Francesco Loffredo]

Omar Abou Mrad wrote:




On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Jim Mooney mailto:cybervigila...@gmail.com>> wrote:

http://interactivepython.org




Would be nice if it worked though, logged in through my google account, now i 
get this error which I can do nothing about:


  Sorry, Something went wrong

The error is: |invalid request|


|It was the same for me|. It gives this error message as soon as I try to run one of 
their "ActiveCode" examples.
But I discovered that if you delete the single leading blank in front of each 
line, then it works.
Maybe their parser doesn't like unindented lines starting with a space...

It's a nuisance, though.

Francesco
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Re: [Tutor] Runestone Python Course

[Jim Mooney]

That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about the quality of it
considering W3Schools is literally the cesspit of web standards
misinformation...


I meant that it was like it in that it had an interactive interpreter, but
it was much better. So far the info is detailed and valid. I've found no
errors - I just dropped one book I was reading when it had an egregious
error about python, showing the author was confused, so I'm not tolerant of
errors in training material.

One other good thing I forgot to mention is that after enlarging a video,
right clicking on it allows you to download it in webm format (playable by
VLC, MPC, and WMP (kind of - Windows Media Player doesn't see the extension
but will play it. Msoft is always a bit behind the times ;')

Darn, gmail made a change that makes it harder to quote the sender name.
Annoying  As a general observation about software, if you make an
"improvement," let those who want the old feature keep it. With OOP, that
shouldn't be hard.

I have no idea what happened with Omar. It could be you have to enroll
directly instead of through google. I've found indirect enrollment doesn't
always work for a number of things.

Jim


On 21 August 2013 03:20, Chris Down  wrote:

> On 2013-08-20 21:52, Jim Mooney wrote:
> > This is rather like W3 Schools
>
> That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about the quality of it
> considering W3Schools is literally the cesspit of web standards
> misinformation...
>



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awareness and feelings. There is no hard divide, as the rape-the-earth
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Re: [Tutor] Runestone Python Course

[Chris Down]

On 2013-08-20 21:52, Jim Mooney wrote:
> This is rather like W3 Schools

That doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about the quality of it
considering W3Schools is literally the cesspit of web standards
misinformation...


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Re: [Tutor] Runestone Python Course

[Omar Abou Mrad]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Jim Mooney wrote:

> http://interactivepython.org
>
> 


Would be nice if it worked though, logged in through my google account, now
i get this error which I can do nothing about:

Sorry, Something went wrong

The error is: invalid request
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[Tutor] Runestone Python Course

[Jim Mooney]

http://interactivepython.org

Since there has been some mention of courses lately, I think this has
become the best online Python course: "How to Think Like a Computer
Scientist." It has an interactive Online Interpreter, where you can
run the examples, or change things and experiment with new code (and
even save it). This is rather like W3 Schools but much more
convenient, since there is a new interpreter for every small segment,
and you aren't flipping around like you are at W3 Schools. It also has
a cleaner and more vivid look. There are simple quizzes, videos, and
CodeLens, which is something like a debugger stepthrough, where you
can activate your code line by line, and watch data and results.

Minor drawback: Codelens just steps through code the instructors have
written, for illustrative purposes. You can't write your own for the
debugger simulation.

However, you Can write anything in the Online Interpreter. The only
drawback there is not All python standard modules have been
implemented. (You can import math, for instance, but not some of the
more obscure modules. But as they say, by the time you get good enough
to use obscure modules, you'll have your own environment ;')  However,
the Online Interpreter can handle anything presented in the course,
and it's a good course. The Interpreter is more like an editor than
the standard shell, since you run a program or snippet rather than
immediate interpretation, and you must print() to see a value. You
also don't have those anachronistic >>> symbols.

If anyone looked at this a few months ago, it was in development and
there were a few bugs I wrote them about, but everything works great
now. It starts with the basics, but there's no harm in going over them
again, or at least skimming the definitions, even if you know them.
I've found that when you re-read, you discover stuff you could swear
wasn't there the first time, as if the author snuck in your house and
added to the material ;')

There is also a more advanced course on Algorithms and Data Structures
on the page linked above, if you're already surefooted about the
basics.

-- 
Jim

More and more, science is showing that animals, even "simple" ones,
have awareness and feelings. There is no hard divide, as the
rape-the-earth crowd would have us believe..
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