Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 07:06:24PM -0500, Keith Winston wrote: > The way I was doing this before, I had to retype the subject line, and I > think that broke threading. Hopefully it will be fixed now that I ditched > digests. Nah, threading is already broken in a digest. Every "normal" post is either a reply to a previous post, in which case it continues the thread from that previous post, or the start of a brand new thread. But digests are special: they include many different posts. So the digest itself cannot be part of all of those independent threads. It has to be treated as a new post, and hence the start of a new thread. But not everyone gets digests, and they aren't archived. So when you reply to the digest, your reply shows up as a reply to a thread which doesn't exist anywhere. Editing the subject line will not break threading. Or at least it shouldn't -- there may be some feeble email programs which don't know how to thread correctly when you change the subject line. > I don't know what you mean, nik, about (including layer 8!)? [research] > Never mind, I get it. But I can't get layer 8 buy-in, too many disparate > interests & inattentive participants (me, myself, AND I, after all). I have no idea what "layer 8" means either. Googling finds this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_8 -- Steven ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
The way I was doing this before, I had to retype the subject line, and I think that broke threading. Hopefully it will be fixed now that I ditched digests. I don't know what you mean, nik, about (including layer 8!)? [research] Never mind, I get it. But I can't get layer 8 buy-in, too many disparate interests & inattentive participants (me, myself, AND I, after all). ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
> >OMG, so obvious. I actually had to reply to several messages in recent > >digests, and I utterly resented my clunky technique the second I saw > >you'd mentioned this. Thanks. > > > >-- > >Keith > > > > This might also prevent you from completely losing all threading. > This has happened on at least the last six messages I've seen from > you. And it is what I hate *most*, especially on mailing lists. It makes me want to call for a complete GMail ban, because it appears GMail users *always* manage to do such things ... Please, don't get me wrong, but by all means get a *complete* sane mail setup (including layer 8!). -nik -- Ein Jabber-Account, sie alle zu finden; ins Dunkel zu treiben und ewig zu binden; im NaturalNet, wo die Schatten droh'n ;)! PGP-Fingerprint: 3C9D 54A4 7575 C026 FB17 FD26 B79A 3C16 A0C4 F296 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On 22/12/2013 17:52, Keith Winston wrote: On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:00 AM, mailto:tutor-requ...@python.org>> wrote: The problem is that you're responding to the digest. Change your subscription to receive individual messages. Create a filter that automatically puts the tutor list emails under a particular label OMG, so obvious. I actually had to reply to several messages in recent digests, and I utterly resented my clunky technique the second I saw you'd mentioned this. Thanks. -- Keith This might also prevent you from completely losing all threading. This has happened on at least the last six messages I've seen from you. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 6:00 AM, wrote: > The problem is that you're responding to the digest. Change your > subscription to receive individual messages. Create a filter that > automatically puts the tutor list emails under a particular label > OMG, so obvious. I actually had to reply to several messages in recent digests, and I utterly resented my clunky technique the second I saw you'd mentioned this. Thanks. -- Keith ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:14 AM, David Abbott wrote: > Then what I do is reply to all and remove the individual email address > and move tutor@ to the To: and make sure to reply at the bottom by > clicking on the 3 dots that open up the message. I prefer to set reply-all as the default in Gmail. Also, it doesn't top post if you select the text to quote before replying. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 5:21 AM, Oscar Benjamin wrote: > > On Dec 22, 2013 1:20 AM, "Keith Winston" wrote: > > >> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:00 AM, wrote: >>> >>> I'm unsure as to what the subject line has in common with class and >>> instance variables, would you care to explain it please. >> >> >> >> I'm sorry Mark, I'm stuck with using gmail where I have to remember to >> delete the (essentially invisible) included text of the entire digest I'm >> responding to, and change the (entirely invisible) subject line. It > > The problem is that you're responding to the digest. Change your > subscription to receive individual messages. Create a filter that > automatically puts the tutor list emails under a particular label and skips > the inbox so that the list doesn't clutter your inbox. Then you'll have a > folder of correctly threaded emails from the list. When you reply to one > email the subject line will be automatically set and only the previous > message will be quoted. > > Oscar > > > ___ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor > Then what I do is reply to all and remove the individual email address and move tutor@ to the To: and make sure to reply at the bottom by clicking on the 3 dots that open up the message. -- David ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On Dec 22, 2013 1:20 AM, "Keith Winston" wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:00 AM, wrote: >> >> I'm unsure as to what the subject line has in common with class and >> instance variables, would you care to explain it please. > > > > I'm sorry Mark, I'm stuck with using gmail where I have to remember to delete the (essentially invisible) included text of the entire digest I'm responding to, and change the (entirely invisible) subject line. It The problem is that you're responding to the digest. Change your subscription to receive individual messages. Create a filter that automatically puts the tutor list emails under a particular label and skips the inbox so that the list doesn't clutter your inbox. Then you'll have a folder of correctly threaded emails from the list. When you reply to one email the subject line will be automatically set and only the previous message will be quoted. Oscar ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:55 AM, wrote: > I'm no expert, but would a (semi-)decent email client help? > I do email on a lot of different computers, but I am going to look into options. Meanwhile, I'm going to redouble my efforts to be conscientious. -- Keith ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
> I'm no expert, but would a (semi-)decent email client help? Probably not, as Google's IMAP implementation is hopelessly broken beyond all repair. -nik -- * concerning Mozilla code leaking assertion failures to tty without D-BUS * That means, D-BUS is a tool that makes software look better than it actually is. PGP-Fingerprint: 3C9D 54A4 7575 C026 FB17 FD26 B79A 3C16 A0C4 F296 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On 21/12/2013 18:57, Keith Winston wrote: On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:00 AM, mailto:tutor-requ...@python.org>> wrote: I'm unsure as to what the subject line has in common with class and instance variables, would you care to explain it please. I'm sorry Mark, I'm stuck with using gmail where I have to remember to delete the (essentially invisible) included text of the entire digest I'm responding to, and change the (entirely invisible) subject line. It -- Keith I'm no expert, but would a (semi-)decent email client help? -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
> I'm sorry Mark, I'm stuck with using gmail [...] Use sane e-mail, then. -- # apt-assassinate --help Usage: apt-assassinate [upstream|maintainer] PGP-Fingerprint: 3C9D 54A4 7575 C026 FB17 FD26 B79A 3C16 A0C4 F296 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] The Charms of Gmail
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:00 AM, wrote: > I'm unsure as to what the subject line has in common with class and > instance variables, would you care to explain it please. > I'm sorry Mark, I'm stuck with using gmail where I have to remember to delete the (essentially invisible) included text of the entire digest I'm responding to, and change the (entirely invisible) subject line. It -- Keith ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
