Re: [Tutor] python-based system programming and admin?
I just have to tell the user to ssh in and run 'ipython' to get a familiar and flexible environment. Put a link on his Desktop which points to ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] ipython man ssh The system is a server - doesn't even need X libraries, which are a significant source of security concerns. The security risk is running an X-Server, but the server doesn't need one. The _client_ needs to run X so ipython (running on the server) can draw its windows on the screen of the client machine. So this should not be a problem. HTH -- Freedom, Freedom, Freedom, Oi! -- Zoidberg Telefonieren Sie schon oder sparen Sie noch? NEU: GMX Phone_Flat http://www.gmx.net/de/go/telefonie ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] python-based system programming and admin?
Subject: [Tutor] python-based system programming and admin? From: Neal McBurnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:01:03 -0700 (MST) To: tutor tutor@python.org To: tutor tutor@python.org I'm an experienced linux guy, with lots of python interest and some python experience. I'm helping a colleague develop software to run on our linux server. He has python skill, but doesn't know the shell or linux very well at all. I'd like to give him a secure, safe, flexible development environment on the serve, (which does audio streaming and other fun things). At the moment, he has an account and can connect from his mac via ssh, and copy files back and forth (ftp-like stuff - I forget which ssh client). But he doesn't want to log in to a bash shell and learn a whole new way to do things. But he does want to run programs. Editing python scripts spawned by cron is one of the goals. But developing them by waiting for cron to fire and send the output via email is pretty painful The server currently doesn't need to run a web server, and I'm reluctant to introduce new services that have much security risk associated with them, but something like that seems like a possibility. One idea that just popped in my brain is to give him a python login shell on linux - any advice on how to do that? Other possibilities, I guess: - An https-based web server with and mod-python, somehow configured so that his jobs run as him. - a pure-python server (via twisted?) running as him - moinmoin or the like - zope or plone (not sounding very simple any more, but I've done a bit of this ) What would be the safest, simplest solution that was adequate for providing a reasonable development environment? Any ideas I haven't thought of yet? Cheers, Neal McBurnett http://bcn.boulder.co.us/~neal/ Sorry to pop in late on this discussion. I get the digest and it's sent to my work, so I got all weekend's digests to catch up on. Rather than having you bend over backwards setting up a weird environment, I think your colleague should learn some basic unix commands. Since he's running a Mac(I'm assuming OS X), the basic commands will help him with Darwin OS which is underneath the Mac GUI. Darwin is a flavor of BSD, and BSD is a flavor of unix. There's not a lot to learn. Basic file management(copy, delete, move, rename), setting the permissions(chmod, chown), navigating the directory structure(cd, ls), and finally running a python program. Some editors have FTP built into them, so he could write the code on his mac and have the editor FTP the file to his account on the server. He could then telnet to the server and run the script. Mike ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] python-based system programming and admin?
MMM strange needs... I'm thinking that perhaps allowing him to run idle and exporting X display to the Mac could be an option? I used to do perl on linux until I found Python, I find it very easy to run quick scripts and system stuff without having to learn BASH, sed, awk, etc separately, taht way I can do regexp, listings, recursion on directories, batch jobs, etc. Hugo ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] python-based system programming and admin?
On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 06:19:55PM -0600, Hugo González Monteverde wrote: I used to do perl on linux until I found Python, I find it very easy to run quick scripts and system stuff without having to learn BASH, sed, awk, etc separately, taht way I can do regexp, listings, recursion on directories, batch jobs, etc. My question is exactly how to let someone do that securely on a remote machine. I've looked at ipython now, and I think it is ideal for the purpose - I just have to tell the user to ssh in and run 'ipython' to get a familiar and flexible environment. I'm thinking that perhaps allowing him to run idle and exporting X display to the Mac could be an option? The system is a server - doesn't even need X libraries, which are a significant source of security concerns. Thanks, Neal McBurnett http://bcn.boulder.co.us/~neal/ Signed and/or sealed mail encouraged. GPG/PGP Keyid: 2C9EBA60 ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] python-based system programming and admin?
I'm an experienced linux guy, with lots of python interest and some python experience. I'm helping a colleague develop software to run on our linux server. He has python skill, but doesn't know the shell or linux very well at all. I'd like to give him a secure, safe, flexible development environment on the serve, (which does audio streaming and other fun things). At the moment, he has an account and can connect from his mac via ssh, and copy files back and forth (ftp-like stuff - I forget which ssh client). But he doesn't want to log in to a bash shell and learn a whole new way to do things. But he does want to run programs. Editing python scripts spawned by cron is one of the goals. But developing them by waiting for cron to fire and send the output via email is pretty painful The server currently doesn't need to run a web server, and I'm reluctant to introduce new services that have much security risk associated with them, but something like that seems like a possibility. One idea that just popped in my brain is to give him a python login shell on linux - any advice on how to do that? Other possibilities, I guess: - An https-based web server with and mod-python, somehow configured so that his jobs run as him. - a pure-python server (via twisted?) running as him - moinmoin or the like - zope or plone (not sounding very simple any more, but I've done a bit of this ) What would be the safest, simplest solution that was adequate for providing a reasonable development environment? Any ideas I haven't thought of yet? Cheers, Neal McBurnett http://bcn.boulder.co.us/~neal/ Signed and/or sealed mail encouraged. GPG/PGP Keyid: 2C9EBA60 ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
