Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[bhaaluu]

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Dick Moores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 07:18 AM 7/27/2008, bhaaluu wrote:
>
>> So if
>> a student goes through PPftAB2E, and wants to continue programming games,
>> I'd recommend "Game Programming" by Andy Harris [ISBN-13:
>> 978-0-470-06822-9].
>> Game Programming is a fairly complete PyGame tutorial.
>
> What do you think of _Beginning Game Development with Python and Pygame_,
> Apress, 2007?
>
> Dick Moores

The main difference between GAME PROGRAMMING and BEGINNING GAME DEVELOPMENT
is that the former deals with 2D scrolling arcade type games, using
PyGame; and the
latter gets into 3D games using PyGame and openGL (I think). I don't
have the McGugan
book, so I don't know for sure. You can take a look at a sample
chapter at Will's site:
http://www.willmcgugan.com/2007/10/04/free-chapter-of-beginning-game-development-with-python-and-pygame/
The publisher also has the source code from the book available.

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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Dick Moores]

At 11:16 AM 7/27/2008, Danyelle Gragsone wrote:

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:54 AM,
Dick Moores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


At 04:09 AM 7/27/2008, Danyelle Gragsone wrote:


Aren't those different books? than PPftAB?



Your acronym has lost me, but _Programming Python for the Absolute
Beginner_, 2nd ed. is essentially the same book as the much more
expensive _Guide to Programming with Python_.


Dick


That acronym has been used throughout this thread to mean the same book
you are talking about _Programming Python for the Absolute Beginner_,
2nd. 
 From earlier in the thread: "I have the Second Edition of PPftAB,
and it was published in 2006."
 essentially and the same
isnt the exact same thing ;).
Nor did I say it was.
Dick



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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Dick Moores]

At 07:18 AM 7/27/2008, bhaaluu wrote:


So if
a student goes through PPftAB2E, and wants to continue programming games,
I'd recommend "Game Programming" by Andy Harris [ISBN-13: 978-0-470-06822-9].
Game Programming is a fairly complete PyGame tutorial.


What do you think of _Beginning Game Development with Python and 
Pygame_, Apress, 2007?


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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Danyelle Gragsone]

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Dick Moores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 04:09 AM 7/27/2008, Danyelle Gragsone wrote:
>
>  Aren't those different books? than PPftAB?
>>
>
> Your acronym has lost me, but _Programming Python for the Absolute
> Beginner_, 2nd ed. is essentially the same book as the much more expensive
> _Guide to Programming with Python_.
>
> Dick


That acronym has been used throughout this thread to mean the same book you
are talking about _Programming Python for the Absolute Beginner_, 2nd.
essentially and the same isnt the exact same thing ;).

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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Dick Moores]

At 04:09 AM 7/27/2008, Danyelle Gragsone wrote:


Aren't those different books? than PPftAB?


Your acronym has lost me, but _Programming Python for the Absolute 
Beginner_, 2nd ed. is essentially the same book as the much more 
expensive _Guide to Programming with Python_.


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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[bhaaluu]

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 3:33 AM, wesley chun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on a tangential note, i may be asked to teach a private course to
> individuals who have never formally learned to program before, and i'm
> participating in this thread for a number of reasons, including the
> fact that i'm trying to come up with a supplemental textbook to use in
> addition to my course notes. i had envisioned the dawson book, but if
> it's going OoP, i will have to come up with alternatives.
>
> cheers,
> -wesley
>

While Python wasn't my first computer programming language, I found
the Dawson book (PPftAB2E) to be very approachable, and would highly recommend
it to anyone interested in learning Python. PPftAB2E is just a lot of
FUN to work
through, even if the student isn't planning on becoming a "game programmer."
It seems to cover all the Python basics.

I liked the fact that most of the 'games' used as example programs were text-
based games. The introduction to Python OOP was gentle, yet covered most
of the aspects of OOP without being overwhelming. Each chapter in the book
built on the previous chapter's examples.

I learned more about programming, reading/doing PPftAB2E, than from any other
programming book I've read/done. I'd like to repeat that the FUN factor was an
important aspect. Personally, I learn better and faster when I'm
having fun, than
when I have to learn something that is tedious from the very beginning.

Even though PPftAB2E uses games to teach Python, it never really gets
into PyGame.
Instead, it uses a customized version of a PyGame wrapper, called LiveWires.
LiveWires was developed to teach programming to kids in Great Britain. So if
a student goes through PPftAB2E, and wants to continue programming games,
I'd recommend "Game Programming" by Andy Harris [ISBN-13: 978-0-470-06822-9].
Game Programming is a fairly complete PyGame tutorial.

>From the Preface:


Let's face it: Games are fun. Games are what brought me into computer
programming
so long ago, and they're a big part of why I'm still in it. There's
something irresistible
about immersing yourself in an imaginary world. Books and movies are a great way
to experience a form of "alternative reality," but an interactive
computer game is
something more. You don't simple watch a game. You 'participate.'

If you think games are fun to play, you should try 'creating' them.
There's nothing
more fun than building your own gaming environment, and when you actually make
something that's exciting for others to play, you'll feel a rare sense
of accomplishment.
If playing games is more immersive than watching movies, writing games is even
more immersive than playing them. After all, the players are really
playing with a
universe constructed by you. In a sense they're playing with you.


PyGame is a Python wrapper around the extraordinary SDL library, which allows
beginning programmers to do some really incredible things, using the Python
language. The bottom line is: PPftAB2E is a fantastic book to use to
teach people
who have never programmed a computer before; and Game Programming is a
great follow-up book for those from the beginning class who want to continue
learning game programming with Python/PyGame. The PyGame crowd even have
their own website and mailing list: http://www.pygame.org/news.html

There are quite a few Python/PyGame examples on the PyGame website, so an
advanced Python class from the intermediate class would have lots of stuff to
take apart, modify, and put back together. Or, the class could team-build a game
for one of the Python/PyGame game competitions.

So there is a complete curriculum for you. I'm sure that students who
learned how
to program Python by learning to program games, would be well equipped to learn
how to program anything, from networked business apps, to Enterprise apps, or
anything else. They would be well-grounded Problem Solvers who have learned
how to learn. They probably had a lot of FUN learning how to learn, so it sticks
with them better, and longer, I'm so sure. 8^D

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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Alan Gauld]

"wesley chun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

oh, if there were only some other alternative for complete newbies 
to
programmers... say, um, a 2nd edition of Learn to Program?!? (yeah, 
i
keep teasing about this but i am kinda serious in some ways too 
[altho

i'm aware of the work involved in such an endeavor].) :)


I might be able to contemplate such a task in the near future.
I'm not sure whether the publisher would be keen though, sales
are steady but hardly best-seller - an inherent risk when you
publish a web version too! In fact my biggest sales are currently
in Japan (where I assume there is a more limited range of Python
books available!).

If I did do a 2nd edition I'd probably aim it at Python 3.0 - which
would give me the motivation to start looking at V3 more closely.

--
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Danyelle Gragsone]

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Dick Moores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 05:03 PM 7/26/2008, Alan Gauld wrote:
>
>  "wesley chun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>>
>>  from the 2nd review for this author's "other" Python book, it could be
>>> some nefarious actions from the publisher itself... no wonder it's
>>> "out-of-print!"
>>>
>>> http://amazon.com/dp/1423901126
>>>
>>
>> At $88 for 500 pages it had better be good or he will be stuxck
>> with academic-only sales!
>>
>
> It's exactly as good as the 2nd edition! See the 2nd review at that link:
>
> =
> Careful buying this., May 17, 2008
>
> While I won't deny this is the best book out there to teach someone Python,
> it is pretty much Word for Word the same book as Python for the Absolute
> Beginner (which is by the same author). This version is packaged as an
> academic book, and costs 4 times as much!
> I love the author for this book, but the publisher should be shot.
> Go pick up the absolute beginner version and saves yourself $60.
>
> If it hadn't been the same book, I would happily given it 5 stars.
> =
>
> I can confirm this. I eagerly snatched it up when it came out, only to find
> that it was just a slick repackaging of what I already owned. Returned it
> the next day.
>
> Dick
>
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Aren't those different books? than PPftAB?

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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Dick Moores]

At 05:03 PM 7/26/2008, Alan Gauld wrote:


"wesley chun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote


from the 2nd review for this author's "other" Python book, it could be
some nefarious actions from the publisher itself... no wonder it's
"out-of-print!"

http://amazon.com/dp/1423901126


At $88 for 500 pages it had better be good or he will be stuxck
with academic-only sales!


It's exactly as good as the 2nd edition! See the 2nd review at that link:

=
Careful buying this., May 17, 2008

While I won't deny this is the best book out there to teach someone 
Python, it is pretty much Word for Word the same book as Python for 
the Absolute Beginner (which is by the same author). This version is 
packaged as an academic book, and costs 4 times as much!

I love the author for this book, but the publisher should be shot.
Go pick up the absolute beginner version and saves yourself $60.

If it hadn't been the same book, I would happily given it 5 stars.
=

I can confirm this. I eagerly snatched it up when it came out, only 
to find that it was just a slick repackaging of what I already owned. 
Returned it the next day.


Dick


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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[wesley chun]

> At $88 for 500 pages it had better be good or he will be stuxck
> with academic-only sales!


well, the other thing is that the 2nd review will really make ppl go
back to the original title since it's $18 vs. $88 for the (apparently)
same material, both academic and general sales. i can't imagine why
anyone would get the latter, hence what i think will drive sales all
to the former. it's fortunate that there are currently a lot of copies
out there, but again, this behavior is rarely the work of the author,
who has much less control over their material than one would
ordinarily believe.

another alternative that many have already recommended is How to Think
Like a Computer Scientist.  the 1st edition is available both in-print
and online, but the 2nd edition is only available online (for now).

1st: http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/thinkCSpy/
2nd: http://openbookproject.net/thinkCSpy

oh, if there were only some other alternative for complete newbies to
programmers... say, um, a 2nd edition of Learn to Program?!? (yeah, i
keep teasing about this but i am kinda serious in some ways too [altho
i'm aware of the work involved in such an endeavor].) :)

on a tangential note, i may be asked to teach a private course to
individuals who have never formally learned to program before, and i'm
participating in this thread for a number of reasons, including the
fact that i'm trying to come up with a supplemental textbook to use in
addition to my course notes. i had envisioned the dawson book, but if
it's going OoP, i will have to come up with alternatives.

cheers,
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Alan Gauld]

"wesley chun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

from the 2nd review for this author's "other" Python book, it could 
be

some nefarious actions from the publisher itself... no wonder it's
"out-of-print!"

http://amazon.com/dp/1423901126


At $88 for 500 pages it had better be good or he will be stuxck
with academic-only sales!

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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[wesley chun]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Dick Moores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 01:43 AM 7/26/2008, wesley chun wrote:
>>
>> > I have the first edition of Python Programming for the Absolute
>> > Beginner.
>> > Will this work instead of the 2nd edition?
>>
>>
>> i just found out from bookpool today that the 2nd edition is now also
>> out-of-print.
>
> But:
> 
> 
> And at the Publisher:
> 
>
>
>>  does anyone know if a 3rd edition is being worked on?
>
> publisher contact info:
> 
>
> I used to have the author's email, but I've lost it.
>
> Dick Moores


hey, don't shoot the messenger!  here's what bookpool said yesterday:

> This book is now out of print, and we have removed it from our website.
> A new edition has not been released.

it's probly only still available at general retailers because they
have such massive stock.  of course the publisher has all remaining
inventory. i'm only letting folks here know in case they want this
book, it may disappear soon.

that's why i was also asking about a 3rd edition. also, as you can see
from the 2nd review for this author's "other" Python book, it could be
some nefarious actions from the publisher itself... no wonder it's
"out-of-print!"

http://amazon.com/dp/1423901126

caveat emptor!
-wesley

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Dick Moores]

At 01:43 AM 7/26/2008, wesley chun wrote:

> I have the first edition of Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner.
> Will this work instead of the 2nd edition?


i just found out from bookpool today that the 2nd edition is now also
out-of-print.


But:


And at the Publisher:




 does anyone know if a 3rd edition is being worked on?


publisher contact info:


I used to have the author's email, but I've lost it.

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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[wesley chun]

> I have the first edition of Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner.
> Will this work instead of the 2nd edition?


i just found out from bookpool today that the 2nd edition is now also
out-of-print. does anyone know if a 3rd edition is being worked on?

-- wesley
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Danyelle Gragsone]

>
>
> You should be able to use the 1st edition of PPftAB to learn Python.
> Pre-2.2 might have caused some minor problems, but 2.2 is okay.
>
> If you run into any problems, just post your problem code to the list,
> with your platform info (GNU/Linux, Mac OS X, MS-Windows...) and
> the version of Python you are using.
>
> One thing I found that might be useful to you when you get close to
> the end of the book: the version of LiveWires Dawson uses has been
> customized, and needs to be installed for the Pizza Panic game, and
> the Asteroid games to work properly. I already had LiveWires installed,
> and didn't think I needed to re-install his version. However, I couldn't
> get those games to work until I installed the version of LiveWires that
> he includes on the CD in the back of the book.
>
> Hopefully helpful?
>
>
Yes very much so!.  I will keep that in mind when i get to the end.
*hopefully* I get to the end.  I am  also going for my A+  so my schedule
with work and my volunteering  at the fire house is tight!

Thanks!
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Danyelle Gragsone]

> 
>
> Hi,
>
> I have the Second Edition of PPftAB, and it was published in 2006.
> The version of Python used in PPftAB2E is Python 2.3.5.
> I'm running Python 2.4.4 on Debian GNU/Linux. So far, no problems.
>
> The only problems I can see you having is if the examples in your book
> use a feature that is no longer used in Python. Otherwise, I don't think
> you'll have any problems. The core principles of Python Programming
> remain the same.
>
> Just out of curiosity, when was the First Edition published? Which version
> of Python is used in the book?
>
>
It was done in 2003.  The version of python the book uses is 2.2.3.
However, it does talk about using the latest versions of python.
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Alan Gauld]

"Danyelle Gragsone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

I have the first edition of Python Programming for the Absolute 
Beginner.

Will this work instead of the 2nd edition?


Python changes little and slowly between versions so the
answer is almost certainly yes. New features are by definition
major and fast but the existing features tend to only move a
little over time.

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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Danyelle Gragsone]

Hi,

I have the first edition of Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner.
Will this work instead of the 2nd edition?

thanks,
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Dave Kuhlman]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 09:17:51PM -0400, bhaaluu wrote:
> 
> If you're disciplined enough to shell out $$$ for an online class
> and do the work, why not just do it on your own? The tuition for
> a class will buy you several very nice Python books:
> 
> Learning Python. Lutz.
> Programming Python. Lutz
> Core Python. Wesley Chun.
> Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner 2E (if you're new to 
> programming).

bhaaluu is right.  There is lots of help on line.

But, some prefer help and others prefer working on their own.

If you do want to do it on your own, also take a look at:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/Programmers

- Dave


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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[bhaaluu]

Hiyas Steve,

If you're disciplined enough to shell out $$$ for an online class
and do the work, why not just do it on your own? The tuition for
a class will buy you several very nice Python books:

Learning Python. Lutz.
Programming Python. Lutz
Core Python. Wesley Chun.
Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner 2E (if you're new to programming).

Read the book you buy, do the exercises, and if you run into
a problem, ask on this list. You'll end up learning Python, and
have a Python book to refer to as well. The structure of the class
is up to you, depending on what you want to use Python for,
and how the book you choose is written. You take your time,
or do 3-4-5 assignments per week. It's up to you!

If you've never done any programming before, I suggest
Dawson's book (PPftAB2E).

If you've done 'some' programming in another language and
want to learn Python, try Learning Python, followed by Programming
Python, both by Lutz.

If you're an experienced programmer, and want to get up to
speed with Python, try Chun's book. He's also a Tutor on this list.

Otherwise, take a look at all the wonderful free Python books and
tutorials on the Net, and make up your mind to start learning
Python, then DO it. Read some, program some. Ask questions here.

When you ask a question here, try to be as explicit as possible.
Tell the Tutors which platform you're working on (Linux, Mac, MS, other),
which version of Python you're using (ex: 2.4, 2.5, etc.). what you're
trying to do, what the errors are, and if at all possible, show them your
code! This is a beginner's list, so don't be ashamed to show your
beginner code! That is how you will learn! The Tutors won't do your
homework for you, but you'll get plenty of help otherwise!

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> Anyone taken or know of any online classes
> teaching Python? I know O'Reilly Press
> teaches online technical courses, through the University of
> Illinois, but no Python
> .
>
> Thanks.
>
> Steve
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Steve Poe]

Joe,

It's an online class without a specific time. The class runs for six weeks
with two assignments
per week.

Steve

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Joe Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What time where the classes? Web site seems to be missing that info...
>
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Dick Moores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At 02:45 PM 7/19/2008, David wrote:
> >>
> >> Steve Poe wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Anyone taken or know of any online classes
> >>> teaching Python? I know O'Reilly Press
> >>> teaches online technical courses, through the University of
> >>> Illinois, but no Python
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> 
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> >> I  am new to Python so this one was pretty good for me;
> >>
> >>
> http://www.ed2go.com/cgi-bin/ed2go/newcrsdes.cgi?course=ipy&title=Introduction
> ^to^Python^2.5^Programming&departmentnum=WP&path=1
> >
> > This does look good. I'm thinking about the $129.
> >
> > 1. Is there a problem set for each lesson? Are they corrected or
> commented
> > on?
> > 2. How do you ask for help from the instructor? By email? In a forum? Was
> he
> > helpful?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Joe Bennett]

What time where the classes? Web site seems to be missing that info...


-Joe



On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Dick Moores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 02:45 PM 7/19/2008, David wrote:
>>
>> Steve Poe wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone taken or know of any online classes
>>> teaching Python? I know O'Reilly Press
>>> teaches online technical courses, through the University of
>>> Illinois, but no Python
>>> .
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>
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>> I  am new to Python so this one was pretty good for me;
>>
>> http://www.ed2go.com/cgi-bin/ed2go/newcrsdes.cgi?course=ipy&title=Introduction^to^Python^2.5^Programming&departmentnum=WP&path=1
>
> This does look good. I'm thinking about the $129.
>
> 1. Is there a problem set for each lesson? Are they corrected or commented
> on?
> 2. How do you ask for help from the instructor? By email? In a forum? Was he
> helpful?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dick Moores
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> Ulipad? Download it from my website.
>  Get Ulipad 3.9 from
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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[Dick Moores]

At 02:45 PM 7/19/2008, David wrote:

Steve Poe wrote:

Anyone taken or know of any online classes
teaching Python? I know O'Reilly Press
teaches online technical courses, through the University of
Illinois, but no Python
.

Thanks.

Steve


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I  am new to Python so this one was pretty good for me;
http://www.ed2go.com/cgi-bin/ed2go/newcrsdes.cgi?course=ipy&title=Introduction^to^Python^2.5^Programming&departmentnum=WP&path=1


This does look good. I'm thinking about the $129.

1. Is there a problem set for each lesson? Are they corrected or commented on?
2. How do you ask for help from the instructor? By email? In a forum? 
Was he helpful?


Thanks,

Dick Moores
===
Have you seen Kelie Feng's video introducing the terrific and free 
IDE, Ulipad? Download it from my website.
 Get Ulipad 3.9 from 


Use svn for the latest revision 
Mailing list for Ulipad:  


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Re: [Tutor] Online class/education for Python?

[David]

Steve Poe wrote:

Anyone taken or know of any online classes
teaching Python? I know O'Reilly Press
teaches online technical courses, through the University of
Illinois, but no Python
.

Thanks.

Steve


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I  am new to Python so this one was pretty good for me;
http://www.ed2go.com/cgi-bin/ed2go/newcrsdes.cgi?course=ipy&title=Introduction^to^Python^2.5^Programming&departmentnum=WP&path=1

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