Re: [Tutor] missing idlelib and pip
On 01/11/17 17:57, Paul Simon wrote: > Thank you all very much. All is working fine now. I had always assumed > that Idle and pip were installed with the standard library and not have > to be separately installed. The Linux philosophy is that the user gets to choose so there should be no bloatware on your system. But if you choose to use something it should be esy to install - via the package manager. Many Linux distros use Python internally so the most basic Python installation is usually present but not necessarily the latest version, just the one needed to ru the tools. And IDLE is not needed for that so is usually an extra. By contrast the Windows philosophy is the user gets everything whether they need it or not and if the PC can't handle that then buy a new PC. Its easy but expensive. -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld Follow my photo-blog on Flickr at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] missing idlelib and pip
On 01/11/17 16:08, Mats Wichmann wrote: > changed away, that means you would search using urpmi... If it uses RPM packages then there should definitely be Python and Tkinter packages available. -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld Follow my photo-blog on Flickr at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] missing idlelib and pip
On 11/1/2017 9:08 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote: On 11/01/17 04:39, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote: On 01/11/17 04:30, Paul Simon wrote: The python distribution for the Mageia 6 update does not include idlelib or pip. Please tell me where to find them to add. IDLE should be in your package manager - along with zillions of other Python packages. You should just need to select it and install it. The caveat is that I don't use Mageia but that's how it works on every other Linux Python I've used. On my Mint system I use Synaptic as a package manager and typing idle into the search box brings up a long list in the form idle-pythonX.Y Where X.Y represent every version from 2.3 through to 3.6 Just select the version corresponding to your installed Python. Mageia is a descendant of Mandrake, which once upon a time (should be over a decade ago by now) I used as my main system. If they haven't changed away, that means you would search using urpmi... but you've indicated you have asked them for things and not gotten a satisfactory answer. You can _always_ just install your own Python environment. I have used this to simplify management/installation: https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv Once you are running in a Python you have installed and are not messing up the system version, you should be able to install whatever you want, however you want, outside of whatever you think the distribution isn't doing right. Installing from source the way pyenv does means you have a full build, not one that's been segmented into sub-packages the way Linux distributions do. Note: IDLE would require a properly working tkinter, which requires a working tk library, which should not actually be a problem, it's not a tough thing to do, but has managed to trip up many people (for example, the system-provided tk on MacOS is not functional for this use so a lot of people have had IDLE problems there). Don't feel you _have_ to use IDLE as your interactive programming environment, there are tons of other choices - the python.org website has a page of links. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor Thank you all very much. All is working fine now. I had always assumed that Idle and pip were installed with the standard library and not have to be separately installed. My experience is not much above novice and whenever I upgrade versions of Mageia I ask for help, sometimes in not the nicest way. I'm a bit older andmy memory is not always the best. Paul Simon ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] missing idlelib and pip
On 11/1/2017 9:08 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote: On 11/01/17 04:39, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote: On 01/11/17 04:30, Paul Simon wrote: The python distribution for the Mageia 6 update does not include idlelib or pip. Please tell me where to find them to add. IDLE should be in your package manager - along with zillions of other Python packages. You should just need to select it and install it. The caveat is that I don't use Mageia but that's how it works on every other Linux Python I've used. On my Mint system I use Synaptic as a package manager and typing idle into the search box brings up a long list in the form idle-pythonX.Y Where X.Y represent every version from 2.3 through to 3.6 Just select the version corresponding to your installed Python. Mageia is a descendant of Mandrake, which once upon a time (should be over a decade ago by now) I used as my main system. If they haven't changed away, that means you would search using urpmi... but you've indicated you have asked them for things and not gotten a satisfactory answer. You can _always_ just install your own Python environment. I have used this to simplify management/installation: https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv Once you are running in a Python you have installed and are not messing up the system version, you should be able to install whatever you want, however you want, outside of whatever you think the distribution isn't doing right. Installing from source the way pyenv does means you have a full build, not one that's been segmented into sub-packages the way Linux distributions do. Note: IDLE would require a properly working tkinter, which requires a working tk library, which should not actually be a problem, it's not a tough thing to do, but has managed to trip up many people (for example, the system-provided tk on MacOS is not functional for this use so a lot of people have had IDLE problems there). Don't feel you _have_ to use IDLE as your interactive programming environment, there are tons of other choices - the python.org website has a page of links. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor Thank you all very much. I assumed it was always installed with the standard library, and every time I upgrade to a new version of Mageia, I have the same problem and can never remember what I have done before. Pat of the problem for me is that idle is automatically installed with the Windows version. I got a lot of help from the Mageia group and now have all installed. Paul Simon ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] missing idlelib and pip
On 11/01/17 04:39, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote: > On 01/11/17 04:30, Paul Simon wrote: >> The python distribution for the Mageia 6 update does not include idlelib >> or pip. Please tell me where to find them to add. > > IDLE should be in your package manager - along with zillions of > other Python packages. You should just need to select it and > install it. The caveat is that I don't use Mageia but that's > how it works on every other Linux Python I've used. > > On my Mint system I use Synaptic as a package manager and typing > idle into the search box brings up a long list in the form > > idle-pythonX.Y > > Where X.Y represent every version from 2.3 through to 3.6 > Just select the version corresponding to your installed > Python. > Mageia is a descendant of Mandrake, which once upon a time (should be over a decade ago by now) I used as my main system. If they haven't changed away, that means you would search using urpmi... but you've indicated you have asked them for things and not gotten a satisfactory answer. You can _always_ just install your own Python environment. I have used this to simplify management/installation: https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv Once you are running in a Python you have installed and are not messing up the system version, you should be able to install whatever you want, however you want, outside of whatever you think the distribution isn't doing right. Installing from source the way pyenv does means you have a full build, not one that's been segmented into sub-packages the way Linux distributions do. Note: IDLE would require a properly working tkinter, which requires a working tk library, which should not actually be a problem, it's not a tough thing to do, but has managed to trip up many people (for example, the system-provided tk on MacOS is not functional for this use so a lot of people have had IDLE problems there). Don't feel you _have_ to use IDLE as your interactive programming environment, there are tons of other choices - the python.org website has a page of links. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] missing idlelib and pip
On 01/11/17 04:30, Paul Simon wrote: > The python distribution for the Mageia 6 update does not include idlelib > or pip. Please tell me where to find them to add. IDLE should be in your package manager - along with zillions of other Python packages. You should just need to select it and install it. The caveat is that I don't use Mageia but that's how it works on every other Linux Python I've used. On my Mint system I use Synaptic as a package manager and typing idle into the search box brings up a long list in the form idle-pythonX.Y Where X.Y represent every version from 2.3 through to 3.6 Just select the version corresponding to your installed Python. -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld Follow my photo-blog on Flickr at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
