[twitter-dev] Re: Apps that Site Hack
100% agree Alan On Mar 5, 1:54 am, nickmilon nickmi...@gmail.com wrote: These kind of tools do a lot of damage to twitter ecosystem. On Mar 4, 3:02 pm, Alan Hamlyn alanhamlyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dewald, In fact you partly answered it yourself. Random login CAPTCHA's when logging in to twitter, or the occasional one if flagged based on users tweets to have once to fill one in to send a tweet. Algorithms, especially to to detect accounts that send 98%-100% links in tweets. Legal account, which I'm sure they are already doing. Algorithms like pascal mentioned, to pick up on likely spam behaviour. Improving the report spam feature on twitters website, and actively encourage other users to report spam. Stop the twitter accounts of the twitter spam software from being able to run, i.e @tweettankone and their variant accounts which aresite hackingsites. Education to users, that twitter should be used for engagement not to spam links and churn followers. Change up thesitecode fields that send tweets, or reliant data to have 1000's of variants, so if thesitechanges too much, or something thesitehackers rely on, the information will change too frequently. Those are a few of my ideas. Alan :) On Feb 24, 9:38 pm, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from implementing reCAPTCHA on tweet submission, follow, and unfollow, I can't see what Twitter can do to prevent that kind of abuse (can you imagine the revolt by bona fide users?). How else do you determine that it is an actual human and not a piece of automated software behind the browser on the user's desktop or laptop? The only other option is legally, and that depends on the country of residence of the owners of the software. At this point in time, it appears that anyone who is able to and have the inclination to write desktop software that bypasses the API might have carte blanche to do so. On Feb 24, 7:00 am,AlanHamlynalanhamlyn...@gmail.com wrote: Spam applications like Tweetadder, TheTweetTank and many others like it are currentlyhackingthe website to get round oauth and basic auth restrictions - what is Twitter doing to level the playing field for serious developers who use oauth and follow Twitter guidelines? Many thanks in advance, AlanHamlyn MarketMeSuite -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Apps that Site Hack
These kind of tools do a lot of damage to twitter ecosystem. On Mar 4, 3:02 pm, Alan Hamlyn alanhamlyn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dewald, In fact you partly answered it yourself. Random login CAPTCHA's when logging in to twitter, or the occasional one if flagged based on users tweets to have once to fill one in to send a tweet. Algorithms, especially to to detect accounts that send 98%-100% links in tweets. Legal account, which I'm sure they are already doing. Algorithms like pascal mentioned, to pick up on likely spam behaviour. Improving the report spam feature on twitters website, and actively encourage other users to report spam. Stop the twitter accounts of the twitter spam software from being able to run, i.e @tweettankone and their variant accounts which are site hacking sites. Education to users, that twitter should be used for engagement not to spam links and churn followers. Change up the site code fields that send tweets, or reliant data to have 1000's of variants, so if the site changes too much, or something the site hackers rely on, the information will change too frequently. Those are a few of my ideas. Alan :) On Feb 24, 9:38 pm, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from implementing reCAPTCHA on tweet submission, follow, and unfollow, I can't see what Twitter can do to prevent that kind of abuse (can you imagine the revolt by bona fide users?). How else do you determine that it is an actual human and not a piece of automated software behind the browser on the user's desktop or laptop? The only other option is legally, and that depends on the country of residence of the owners of the software. At this point in time, it appears that anyone who is able to and have the inclination to write desktop software that bypasses the API might have carte blanche to do so. On Feb 24, 7:00 am,AlanHamlynalanhamlyn...@gmail.com wrote: Spam applications like Tweetadder, TheTweetTank and many others like it are currently hacking the website to get round oauth and basic auth restrictions - what is Twitter doing to level the playing field for serious developers who use oauth and follow Twitter guidelines? Many thanks in advance, AlanHamlyn MarketMeSuite -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Apps that Site Hack
Great Idea :P On Feb 25, 10:16 am, Pascal Jürgens lists.pascal.juerg...@googlemail.com wrote: How about a competition to develop spam-detection algorithms :) Pascal On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:38 PM, Dewald Pretorius wrote: Apart from implementing reCAPTCHA on tweet submission, follow, and unfollow, I can't see what Twitter can do to prevent that kind of abuse (can you imagine the revolt by bona fide users?). How else do you determine that it is an actual human and not a piece of automated software behind the browser on the user's desktop or laptop? The only other option is legally, and that depends on the country of residence of the owners of the software. At this point in time, it appears that anyone who is able to and have the inclination to write desktop software that bypasses the API might have carte blanche to do so. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Apps that Site Hack
I agree entirely, sites like Tweetadder, tweettankone, are very popular though because they do what oauth apps aren't allowed to do. On Feb 25, 4:22 pm, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky- research.net wrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:16:54 +0100, Pascal Jürgens lists.pascal.juerg...@googlemail.com wrote: How about a competition to develop spam-detection algorithms :) Pascal I don't see VCs / angels funding that sort of thing, so there's not likely a market. -- http://twitter.com/znmebhttp://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Apps that Site Hack
Hi Dewald, In fact you partly answered it yourself. Random login CAPTCHA's when logging in to twitter, or the occasional one if flagged based on users tweets to have once to fill one in to send a tweet. Algorithms, especially to to detect accounts that send 98%-100% links in tweets. Legal account, which I'm sure they are already doing. Algorithms like pascal mentioned, to pick up on likely spam behaviour. Improving the report spam feature on twitters website, and actively encourage other users to report spam. Stop the twitter accounts of the twitter spam software from being able to run, i.e @tweettankone and their variant accounts which are site hacking sites. Education to users, that twitter should be used for engagement not to spam links and churn followers. Change up the site code fields that send tweets, or reliant data to have 1000's of variants, so if the site changes too much, or something the site hackers rely on, the information will change too frequently. Those are a few of my ideas. Alan :) On Feb 24, 9:38 pm, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from implementing reCAPTCHA on tweet submission, follow, and unfollow, I can't see what Twitter can do to prevent that kind of abuse (can you imagine the revolt by bona fide users?). How else do you determine that it is an actual human and not a piece of automated software behind the browser on the user's desktop or laptop? The only other option is legally, and that depends on the country of residence of the owners of the software. At this point in time, it appears that anyone who is able to and have the inclination to write desktop software that bypasses the API might have carte blanche to do so. On Feb 24, 7:00 am,AlanHamlynalanhamlyn...@gmail.com wrote: Spam applications like Tweetadder, TheTweetTank and many others like it are currently hacking the website to get round oauth and basic auth restrictions - what is Twitter doing to level the playing field for serious developers who use oauth and follow Twitter guidelines? Many thanks in advance, AlanHamlyn MarketMeSuite -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Apps that Site Hack
How about a competition to develop spam-detection algorithms :) Pascal On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:38 PM, Dewald Pretorius wrote: Apart from implementing reCAPTCHA on tweet submission, follow, and unfollow, I can't see what Twitter can do to prevent that kind of abuse (can you imagine the revolt by bona fide users?). How else do you determine that it is an actual human and not a piece of automated software behind the browser on the user's desktop or laptop? The only other option is legally, and that depends on the country of residence of the owners of the software. At this point in time, it appears that anyone who is able to and have the inclination to write desktop software that bypasses the API might have carte blanche to do so. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Apps that Site Hack
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:16:54 +0100, Pascal Jürgens lists.pascal.juerg...@googlemail.com wrote: How about a competition to develop spam-detection algorithms :) Pascal I don't see VCs / angels funding that sort of thing, so there's not likely a market. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Apps that Site Hack
Apart from implementing reCAPTCHA on tweet submission, follow, and unfollow, I can't see what Twitter can do to prevent that kind of abuse (can you imagine the revolt by bona fide users?). How else do you determine that it is an actual human and not a piece of automated software behind the browser on the user's desktop or laptop? The only other option is legally, and that depends on the country of residence of the owners of the software. At this point in time, it appears that anyone who is able to and have the inclination to write desktop software that bypasses the API might have carte blanche to do so. On Feb 24, 7:00 am, Alan Hamlyn alanhamlyn...@gmail.com wrote: Spam applications like Tweetadder, TheTweetTank and many others like it are currently hacking the website to get round oauth and basic auth restrictions - what is Twitter doing to level the playing field for serious developers who use oauth and follow Twitter guidelines? Many thanks in advance, Alan Hamlyn MarketMeSuite -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
