Re: [twsocket] Port number

2006-03-31 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
Hello Werner,

It is the exact peer port. I try to explain:

-- for a server --
Server listens on a certain addr:port. Client connect to that port, but
server should stay listening, so the listening port has to be kept free,
so as fast as possible the socket is duped to another local port. This
port increase after each connect because the OS hold it in time_wait

-- for a client --
Client connect to a certain addr:port. But local it is also bound to an
addr and port. This is the peer port when it is called by the server
end.

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http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
http://www.mestdagh.biz

Thursday, March 30, 2006, 20:58, Werner wrote:

 Hi All,

 Using WSocket and GetPeerPort. The client has for example port 2000
 When recieving a package then close again, then recieving -close,
 etc I receive 2001 then next package 2002, 2003, etc. as portNumber
 The portnumber seems to increase all the time, and not giving me
 the exact PeerPort like the PeerAddr wich is correct.

 GetPeerPort , PeerPort give me not the peerport from the client.
 I have tested this in a local lan, maybe this would be the problem ?

 Any idee how to get the actual portnumber from the client side, when the 
 client is connected
 Thanks for any suggestions
 Greetings - Werner


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Re: [twsocket] Httpcli not working, need suggestions

2006-03-31 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
Hello Jazzy,

What happens if you do a telnet session to 192.168.1.1 op port 80 on the
same machine as where you try the httptst on ? Does it get connected ?

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Friday, March 31, 2006, 08:22, Jazzy Jeff wrote:

 I just downloaded the ICS ver 5 a few mins ago, I compiled it under
 BDS2006 using bcb2006 with the updated patch.  I compiled the example
 httptst to see if it could go to a webpage that required a username
 and password.  When i ran the program (get button), this is the error
 message that i get.
   
   RequestDone Error = 11001
 GET Failed !
 StatusCode   = 404
 ReasonPhrase = can't resolve hostname to IP address
   
   //--- code -//
   HttpCli1-URL= http://192.168.1.1/main.htm;
   HttpCli1-Password = pass;
HttpCli1-Username = user;
 //--- code -//
   
   even if i try a google address to se if it works, i still get the same 
 error.
  
 
   If I click on the head button, the program seems to go to the
 internet then to retrieve the details of the webpage.  But the get
 button does nothing but produce an error message.
   
   I hope I go all the  details in here.
   
   I searched online in the searchable faq to see if others were
 having the same problems as me, and I noticed that others were having
 the problem.  I don't know if it got fixed since I didn't read through
 the few hundred messages that appeared.
   
   Hopefully someone can help me with this problem, I really want to get this 
 to work.
   
   
   Thanks
   
   Jason
   


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Re: [twsocket] Port number

2006-03-31 Thread Werner
Thank Wilfried, thats explains a lot.

When the server listen to port 2500, and the socket port start increasing
from 2000. Do I get in trouble when it comes finaly to port 2489,2499..2500
the same port where the server is listening, or is this handled automaticaly
by the socket that the increasing port will never be the listening server
port ?
To explain more: my program get every 10 seconds an incoming client, get the
command, then close again. And I see the port increasing fast, what about a
limit ? can I reset the portnumber?, it's a black hole for me.

The client has port 2000. When the client change his port to 2001, is there
a way, when connecting to the server to retreive the clients actual port
address?. I must know this port because I need to contact this client back
on an other WSocket. Ofcourse it wil work fine if the client don't change
his port number.

Thanks a lot
Werner


- Oorspronkelijk bericht - 
Van: Wilfried Mestdagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aan: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
Verzonden: vrijdag, maart 31, 2006 10:11
Onderwerp: Re: [twsocket] Port number


 Hello Werner,

 It is the exact peer port. I try to explain:

 -- for a server --
 Server listens on a certain addr:port. Client connect to that port, but
 server should stay listening, so the listening port has to be kept free,
 so as fast as possible the socket is duped to another local port. This
 port increase after each connect because the OS hold it in time_wait

 -- for a client --
 Client connect to a certain addr:port. But local it is also bound to an
 addr and port. This is the peer port when it is called by the server
 end.

 ---
 Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
 http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
 http://www.mestdagh.biz

 Thursday, March 30, 2006, 20:58, Werner wrote:

  Hi All,

  Using WSocket and GetPeerPort. The client has for example port 2000
  When recieving a package then close again, then recieving -close,
  etc I receive 2001 then next package 2002, 2003, etc. as portNumber
  The portnumber seems to increase all the time, and not giving me
  the exact PeerPort like the PeerAddr wich is correct.

  GetPeerPort , PeerPort give me not the peerport from the client.
  I have tested this in a local lan, maybe this would be the problem ?

  Any idee how to get the actual portnumber from the client side, when the
client is connected
  Thanks for any suggestions
  Greetings - Werner


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[twsocket] Mercy !!

2006-03-31 Thread Allan Fernandes

Hi ,

 I don't plan to support anything below Delphi 7

I am just giving finishing touches to my application
in delphi 5 with ICS components, after 3 months of
work. I am heartbroken to read that you will not be
supporting earlier versions. Could I be brave enough
to ask wether you will answer simple questions if some
novices like me are stuck. ie: no change in code etc.
just questions which you experts can answer even in
your sleep.

Regards
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Re: [twsocket] Port number

2006-03-31 Thread Frans van Daalen
- Original Message - 
From: Wilfried Mestdagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [twsocket] Port number


 Hello Werner,

 When the server listen to port 2500, and the socket port start increasing
 from 2000. Do I get in trouble when it comes finaly to port 
 2489,2499..2500
 the same port where the server is listening, or is this handled 
 automaticaly

 No the OS will skip port 2500 and will get the first next free port.
 Probably 2501.

 command, then close again. And I see the port increasing fast, what about 
 a
 limit ? can I reset the portnumber?

 No you cannot reset, but normally no problem. There are 65535 ports. And
 the TIME_WAIT ports will be released after 2 minutes. So a long time
 before yoiu have reach the highest port the low ones are free again, so
 OS will get ports back on the low range.

was the default not 240seconds, posible minumum value 30sec ? And the port 
limited by maxuserport? 


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Re: [twsocket] Httpcli not working, need suggestions

2006-03-31 Thread Frans van Daalen
- Original Message - 
From: Jazzy Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: twsocket@elists.org
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: [twsocket] Httpcli not working, need suggestions


I just downloaded the ICS ver 5 a few mins ago, I compiled it under BDS2006 
using bcb2006 with the updated patch.  I compiled the example httptst to see 
if it could go to a webpage that required a username and password.  When i 
ran the program (get button), this is the error message that i get.

  RequestDone Error = 11001
GET Failed !
StatusCode   = 404
ReasonPhrase = can't resolve hostname to IP address

  //--- code -//
  HttpCli1-URL= http://192.168.1.1/main.htm;
  HttpCli1-Password = pass;
HttpCli1-Username = user;
//--- code -//

  even if i try a google address to se if it works, i still get the same 
error.


  If I click on the head button, the program seems to go to the internet 
then to retrieve the details of the webpage.  But the get button does 
nothing but produce an error message.

FVD: Seems to go? Or did go and returned with the header info? You're not 
behind a proxy or firewall with access control on program level? 


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Re: [twsocket] Port number

2006-03-31 Thread Werner


On a second session, the server turns client, and client turns server:
client(ComputerA) port 2000 - connect server(ComputerB) at port 2500. Close
connection ( ComputerB knows the adress, and gets the clients actual port,
in someway)
then
client(ComputerB) port 2500 - connect server(ComputerA) at port 2000. Close
connection. (This works fine when the ComputerA has a fix port adress)

The things is, when a new client access the server at an ipaddress, this
server( wich will be a clientSocket at that moment) needs to know the actual
port number to connect the client back (wich will be a serverSocket at that
moment). On a later moment.
So each computer has a client and serverSocket running.




  The client has port 2000. When the client change his port to 2001, is
there
  a way, when connecting to the server to retreive the clients actual port
  address?. I must know this port because I need to contact this client
back
  on an other WSocket. Ofcourse it wil work fine if the client don't
change
  his port number.

 I dont understeand the question. Can you explain again please ? Do you
 mean with 'Client' the 'Datasocket' of the server where you are
 connected with ? If so then this socket is released when tcp session is
 closed, but please explain again, it is not clear to me what you wants.

 ---
 Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
 http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
 http://www.mestdagh.biz

 Friday, March 31, 2006, 10:46, Werner wrote:

  Thank Wilfried, thats explains a lot.

  When the server listen to port 2500, and the socket port start
increasing
  from 2000. Do I get in trouble when it comes finaly to port
2489,2499..2500
  the same port where the server is listening, or is this handled
automaticaly
  by the socket that the increasing port will never be the listening
server
  port ?
  To explain more: my program get every 10 seconds an incoming client, get
the
  command, then close again. And I see the port increasing fast, what
about a
  limit ? can I reset the portnumber?, it's a black hole for me.

  The client has port 2000. When the client change his port to 2001, is
there
  a way, when connecting to the server to retreive the clients actual port
  address?. I must know this port because I need to contact this client
back
  on an other WSocket. Ofcourse it wil work fine if the client don't
change
  his port number.

  Thanks a lot
  Werner


  - Oorspronkelijk bericht - 
  Van: Wilfried Mestdagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aan: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
  Verzonden: vrijdag, maart 31, 2006 10:11
  Onderwerp: Re: [twsocket] Port number


  Hello Werner,
 
  It is the exact peer port. I try to explain:
 
  -- for a server --
  Server listens on a certain addr:port. Client connect to that port, but
  server should stay listening, so the listening port has to be kept
free,
  so as fast as possible the socket is duped to another local port. This
  port increase after each connect because the OS hold it in time_wait
 
  -- for a client --
  Client connect to a certain addr:port. But local it is also bound to an
  addr and port. This is the peer port when it is called by the server
  end.
 
  ---
  Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
  http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
  http://www.mestdagh.biz
 
  Thursday, March 30, 2006, 20:58, Werner wrote:
 
   Hi All,
 
   Using WSocket and GetPeerPort. The client has for example port 2000
   When recieving a package then close again, then recieving -close,
   etc I receive 2001 then next package 2002, 2003, etc. as portNumber
   The portnumber seems to increase all the time, and not giving me
   the exact PeerPort like the PeerAddr wich is correct.
 
   GetPeerPort , PeerPort give me not the peerport from the client.
   I have tested this in a local lan, maybe this would be the problem ?
 
   Any idee how to get the actual portnumber from the client side, when
the
  client is connected
   Thanks for any suggestions
   Greetings - Werner
 
 
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Re: [twsocket] Port number

2006-03-31 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
Hello Frans,

 was the default not 240seconds, posible minumum value 30sec ? And the port
 limited by maxuserport? 

Yes I think you are right.

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Re: [twsocket] Port number

2006-03-31 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
Hello Werner,

You have to make a little protocol for that. B listens on a know
IP:Port. A connect to B and tells B the port he will listen on in the
protocol. Then later B can connect to A because he know the listening
port by then.

---
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http://www.mestdagh.biz

Friday, March 31, 2006, 11:47, Werner wrote:



 On a second session, the server turns client, and client turns server:
 client(ComputerA) port 2000 - connect server(ComputerB) at port 2500. Close
 connection ( ComputerB knows the adress, and gets the clients actual port,
 in someway)
 then
 client(ComputerB) port 2500 - connect server(ComputerA) at port 2000. Close
 connection. (This works fine when the ComputerA has a fix port adress)

 The things is, when a new client access the server at an ipaddress, this
 server( wich will be a clientSocket at that moment) needs to know the actual
 port number to connect the client back (wich will be a serverSocket at that
 moment). On a later moment.
 So each computer has a client and serverSocket running.




  The client has port 2000. When the client change his port to 2001, is
 there
  a way, when connecting to the server to retreive the clients actual port
  address?. I must know this port because I need to contact this client
 back
  on an other WSocket. Ofcourse it wil work fine if the client don't
 change
  his port number.

 I dont understeand the question. Can you explain again please ? Do you
 mean with 'Client' the 'Datasocket' of the server where you are
 connected with ? If so then this socket is released when tcp session is
 closed, but please explain again, it is not clear to me what you wants.

 ---
 Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
 http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
 http://www.mestdagh.biz

 Friday, March 31, 2006, 10:46, Werner wrote:

  Thank Wilfried, thats explains a lot.

  When the server listen to port 2500, and the socket port start
 increasing
  from 2000. Do I get in trouble when it comes finaly to port
 2489,2499..2500
  the same port where the server is listening, or is this handled
 automaticaly
  by the socket that the increasing port will never be the listening
 server
  port ?
  To explain more: my program get every 10 seconds an incoming client, get
 the
  command, then close again. And I see the port increasing fast, what
 about a
  limit ? can I reset the portnumber?, it's a black hole for me.

  The client has port 2000. When the client change his port to 2001, is
 there
  a way, when connecting to the server to retreive the clients actual port
  address?. I must know this port because I need to contact this client
 back
  on an other WSocket. Ofcourse it wil work fine if the client don't
 change
  his port number.

  Thanks a lot
  Werner


  - Oorspronkelijk bericht - 
  Van: Wilfried Mestdagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Aan: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
  Verzonden: vrijdag, maart 31, 2006 10:11
  Onderwerp: Re: [twsocket] Port number


  Hello Werner,
 
  It is the exact peer port. I try to explain:
 
  -- for a server --
  Server listens on a certain addr:port. Client connect to that port, but
  server should stay listening, so the listening port has to be kept
 free,
  so as fast as possible the socket is duped to another local port. This
  port increase after each connect because the OS hold it in time_wait
 
  -- for a client --
  Client connect to a certain addr:port. But local it is also bound to an
  addr and port. This is the peer port when it is called by the server
  end.
 
  ---
  Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
  http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
  http://www.mestdagh.biz
 
  Thursday, March 30, 2006, 20:58, Werner wrote:
 
   Hi All,
 
   Using WSocket and GetPeerPort. The client has for example port 2000
   When recieving a package then close again, then recieving -close,
   etc I receive 2001 then next package 2002, 2003, etc. as portNumber
   The portnumber seems to increase all the time, and not giving me
   the exact PeerPort like the PeerAddr wich is correct.
 
   GetPeerPort , PeerPort give me not the peerport from the client.
   I have tested this in a local lan, maybe this would be the problem ?
 
   Any idee how to get the actual portnumber from the client side, when
 the
  client is connected
   Thanks for any suggestions
   Greetings - Werner
 
 
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Re: [twsocket] Mercy !!

2006-03-31 Thread Wilfried Mestdagh
Hello Allan,

You can sleep on both of your ears :)
The version 5 of ICS will stop upgrading at a certain moment, while V6
will be regulary upgraded. This will not mean there will be no support
anymore. This list is alive and will stay so.

---
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http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
http://www.mestdagh.biz

Friday, March 31, 2006, 11:03, Allan Fernandes wrote:


 Hi ,

 I don't plan to support anything below Delphi 7

 I am just giving finishing touches to my application
 in delphi 5 with ICS components, after 3 months of
 work. I am heartbroken to read that you will not be
 supporting earlier versions. Could I be brave enough
 to ask wether you will answer simple questions if some
 novices like me are stuck. ie: no change in code etc.
 just questions which you experts can answer even in
 your sleep.

 Regards
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Re: [twsocket] Port number

2006-03-31 Thread Werner
Yes, Wildried
I had that in mind, but was hoping to get it from a function.
But knowing that I'm not running out of serverports, give me better dreams
Thanks a lot
Werner


- Oorspronkelijk bericht - 
Van: Wilfried Mestdagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aan: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
Verzonden: vrijdag, maart 31, 2006 12:41
Onderwerp: Re: [twsocket] Port number


 Hello Werner,

 You have to make a little protocol for that. B listens on a know
 IP:Port. A connect to B and tells B the port he will listen on in the
 protocol. Then later B can connect to A because he know the listening
 port by then.

 ---
 Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
 http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
 http://www.mestdagh.biz

 Friday, March 31, 2006, 11:47, Werner wrote:



  On a second session, the server turns client, and client turns server:
  client(ComputerA) port 2000 - connect server(ComputerB) at port 2500.
Close
  connection ( ComputerB knows the adress, and gets the clients actual
port,
  in someway)
  then
  client(ComputerB) port 2500 - connect server(ComputerA) at port 2000.
Close
  connection. (This works fine when the ComputerA has a fix port adress)

  The things is, when a new client access the server at an ipaddress, this
  server( wich will be a clientSocket at that moment) needs to know the
actual
  port number to connect the client back (wich will be a serverSocket at
that
  moment). On a later moment.
  So each computer has a client and serverSocket running.



 
   The client has port 2000. When the client change his port to 2001, is
  there
   a way, when connecting to the server to retreive the clients actual
port
   address?. I must know this port because I need to contact this client
  back
   on an other WSocket. Ofcourse it wil work fine if the client don't
  change
   his port number.
 
  I dont understeand the question. Can you explain again please ? Do you
  mean with 'Client' the 'Datasocket' of the server where you are
  connected with ? If so then this socket is released when tcp session is
  closed, but please explain again, it is not clear to me what you wants.
 
  ---
  Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
  http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
  http://www.mestdagh.biz
 
  Friday, March 31, 2006, 10:46, Werner wrote:
 
   Thank Wilfried, thats explains a lot.
 
   When the server listen to port 2500, and the socket port start
  increasing
   from 2000. Do I get in trouble when it comes finaly to port
  2489,2499..2500
   the same port where the server is listening, or is this handled
  automaticaly
   by the socket that the increasing port will never be the listening
  server
   port ?
   To explain more: my program get every 10 seconds an incoming client,
get
  the
   command, then close again. And I see the port increasing fast, what
  about a
   limit ? can I reset the portnumber?, it's a black hole for me.
 
   The client has port 2000. When the client change his port to 2001, is
  there
   a way, when connecting to the server to retreive the clients actual
port
   address?. I must know this port because I need to contact this client
  back
   on an other WSocket. Ofcourse it wil work fine if the client don't
  change
   his port number.
 
   Thanks a lot
   Werner
 
 
   - Oorspronkelijk bericht - 
   Van: Wilfried Mestdagh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Aan: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org
   Verzonden: vrijdag, maart 31, 2006 10:11
   Onderwerp: Re: [twsocket] Port number
 
 
   Hello Werner,
  
   It is the exact peer port. I try to explain:
  
   -- for a server --
   Server listens on a certain addr:port. Client connect to that port,
but
   server should stay listening, so the listening port has to be kept
  free,
   so as fast as possible the socket is duped to another local port.
This
   port increase after each connect because the OS hold it in time_wait
  
   -- for a client --
   Client connect to a certain addr:port. But local it is also bound to
an
   addr and port. This is the peer port when it is called by the server
   end.
  
   ---
   Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
   http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
   http://www.mestdagh.biz
  
   Thursday, March 30, 2006, 20:58, Werner wrote:
  
Hi All,
  
Using WSocket and GetPeerPort. The client has for example port
2000
When recieving a package then close again, then recieving -close,
etc I receive 2001 then next package 2002, 2003, etc. as
portNumber
The portnumber seems to increase all the time, and not giving me
the exact PeerPort like the PeerAddr wich is correct.
  
GetPeerPort , PeerPort give me not the peerport from the client.
I have tested this in a local lan, maybe this would be the problem
?
  
Any idee how to get the actual portnumber from the client side,
when
  the
   client is connected
Thanks for any suggestions
Greetings - Werner
  
  
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Re: [twsocket] TWSocket Digest, Vol 162, Issue 5

2006-03-31 Thread Jazzy Jeff
  What happens if you do a telnet session to 192.168.1.1 op port 80 on the
same machine as where you try the httptst on ? Does it get connected ?

Rgds, Wilfried [TeamICS]
http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html
http://www.mestdagh.biz

Friday, March 31, 2006, 08:22, Jazzy Jeff wrote:

 I just downloaded the ICS ver 5 a few mins ago, I compiled it under
 BDS2006 using bcb2006 with the updated patch. I compiled the example
 httptst to see if it could go to a webpage that required a username
 and password. When i ran the program (get button), this is the error
 message that i get.

 RequestDone Error = 11001
 GET Failed !
 StatusCode = 404
 ReasonPhrase = can't resolve hostname to IP address

 //--- code -//
 HttpCli1-URL = http://192.168.1.1/main.htm;
 HttpCli1-Password = pass;
HttpCli1-Username = user;
 //--- code -//

 even if i try a google address to se if it works, i still get the same error.

It seems to connect using telnet, but it immediately loses the connection.  I 
decided to look around since I really want to see this work.  I ended up trying 
another httpclient from clevercomponents, that one seemed to work on the first 
try.  I'll just use that one instead.
   
  I hate to have to resort to another program, since I have been using ICS for 
a few years now.
   
  Thanks again for the help.
   
   
  Jason
   
   


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Re: [twsocket] TWSocket Digest, Vol 162, Issue 6

2006-03-31 Thread Jazzy Jeff
  
If I click on the head button, the program seems to go to the internet 
then to retrieve the details of the webpage. But the get button does 
nothing but produce an error message.

FVD: Seems to go? Or did go and returned with the header info? You're not 
behind a proxy or firewall with access control on program level? 

It went out to the internet and returned the header info.  I am behind a 
firewall, thats how i know if its going out to the internet or not.  Thats not 
the problem, I know how to operate the firewall.
  

 


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Re: [twsocket] proxyinfo from usermade

2006-03-31 Thread Maurizio Lotauro
Scrive Bjørnar Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Can I use the proxyinfo from usermade to be able to get proxy-settings when
 the settings is defined in a script that Internet Explorer loads? Or does
 proxyinfo only work when ip, port and username/password is set in directly
 in the internet-options of Internet Explorer?

The component use the api available on the system, so it is able to run the 
script specified in the internet options.

Feel free to ask for more details if you need it.


Bye, Maurizio.



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Re: [twsocket] ICS V6 Http Post problem

2006-03-31 Thread Piotr Dałek
Hello!

 I  always  loved  the  Pascal  way  of  obfuscating  code with those
 complicated  mix  of @ pchar ^ and other funny notation as soon as you
 need to play with pointers and direct data memory access...

It's complicated only when you don't use it often. Otherwise it requires
a bit more attention than usual things like a:=b.

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