Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group
Just did indeed! BTW, ICS seems to be weak in Asia, any idea why? Best Regards, SubZero - Original Message - From: Francois PIETTE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: twsocket@elists.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group I added custom pins to the Frappr ICS and MidWare group (http://www.frappr.com/icsandmidware). Using those pins, you can tell if you are an ICS or a MidWare user, or both. If you already put your entry to Frappr, please edit it to change your pin according to what you use. If you haven't added yourself to the map, just do it now ! -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group
Francois PIETTE wrote: I added custom pins to the Frappr ICS and MidWare group (http://www.frappr.com/icsandmidware). Using those pins, you can tell if you are an ICS or a MidWare user, or both. If you already put your entry to Frappr, please edit it to change your pin according to what you use. If you haven't added yourself to the map, just do it now ! I am sure the intention was good, and this Frappr thing can be appealing, but ... I would have liked this to be put only in the mailing list so that anyone interested could join instead of sending all our email addresses to Rising Concept LLC who operate Frappr. (or Am I the only one who got their You have been invited to join 'ICS and MidWare' email ?) By doing so, you 'opted in' everyone on the list to receive whatever they want to send us. Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time Clearly, their business model is to sell people's location to advertisers. This information is valuable for marketers since they can not legally get it in most jurisdictions. When people sign for a list such as this one, they expect to be subscribing to the list and nothing else. A list maintainer should always consider the membership list a confidential information and never share it with a third party. My 0.02 ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group
Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time If they change their policy, this would apply only to the data they collected after their change. Anyway, the mailing list is indexed by google, so your email is already referenced by google. Search for a part of a message you wrote, for example but this part of DNS is still some kind (use double quotes in google search to do an exact search) and you get it (http://www.google.fr/search?num=100hl=frrls=GGLC%2CGGLC%3A1970-01%2CGGLC%3Afrq=%22but+this+part+of+DNS+is+still+some+kind%22). You can aslo search for your email, either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or erv at sympatico.ca and you find some references. You are well known on the internet. I'm sure you already receive a lot of spam as I do (hundreds of messages each single day). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be - Original Message - From: Eric Montréal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group Francois PIETTE wrote: I added custom pins to the Frappr ICS and MidWare group (http://www.frappr.com/icsandmidware). Using those pins, you can tell if you are an ICS or a MidWare user, or both. If you already put your entry to Frappr, please edit it to change your pin according to what you use. If you haven't added yourself to the map, just do it now ! I am sure the intention was good, and this Frappr thing can be appealing, but ... I would have liked this to be put only in the mailing list so that anyone interested could join instead of sending all our email addresses to Rising Concept LLC who operate Frappr. (or Am I the only one who got their You have been invited to join 'ICS and MidWare' email ?) By doing so, you 'opted in' everyone on the list to receive whatever they want to send us. Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time Clearly, their business model is to sell people's location to advertisers. This information is valuable for marketers since they can not legally get it in most jurisdictions. When people sign for a list such as this one, they expect to be subscribing to the list and nothing else. A list maintainer should always consider the membership list a confidential information and never share it with a third party. My 0.02 ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group
Hi, I do not think that is the point. How about if I add you to a mailing list? Or say 100 mailing list? You removed our choice. Cheers, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Francois PIETTE Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:36 AM To: ICS support mailing Subject: Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time If they change their policy, this would apply only to the data they collected after their change. Anyway, the mailing list is indexed by google, so your email is already referenced by google. Search for a part of a message you wrote, for example but this part of DNS is still some kind (use double quotes in google search to do an exact search) and you get it (http://www.google.fr/search?num=100hl=frrls=GGLC%2CGGLC%3A1970-01%2CGGLC% 3Afrq=%22but+this+part+of+DNS+is+still+some+kind%22). You can aslo search for your email, either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or erv at sympatico.ca and you find some references. You are well known on the internet. I'm sure you already receive a lot of spam as I do (hundreds of messages each single day). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be - Original Message - From: Eric Montréal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group Francois PIETTE wrote: I added custom pins to the Frappr ICS and MidWare group (http://www.frappr.com/icsandmidware). Using those pins, you can tell if you are an ICS or a MidWare user, or both. If you already put your entry to Frappr, please edit it to change your pin according to what you use. If you haven't added yourself to the map, just do it now ! I am sure the intention was good, and this Frappr thing can be appealing, but ... I would have liked this to be put only in the mailing list so that anyone interested could join instead of sending all our email addresses to Rising Concept LLC who operate Frappr. (or Am I the only one who got their You have been invited to join 'ICS and MidWare' email ?) By doing so, you 'opted in' everyone on the list to receive whatever they want to send us. Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time Clearly, their business model is to sell people's location to advertisers. This information is valuable for marketers since they can not legally get it in most jurisdictions. When people sign for a list such as this one, they expect to be subscribing to the list and nothing else. A list maintainer should always consider the membership list a confidential information and never share it with a third party. My 0.02 ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group
Hello! Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time If they change their policy, this would apply only to the data they collected after their change. Well... Microsoft also writes everywhere that Windows is so fast, reliable, secure and so on, but unfortunately life shows that this isn't true. Same here. They may say they won't spam, but some day you could start receiving unwanted messages - just because you've signed up to some funny project. Some time ago I've been playing with counters (those thingys you put on website to count visitors), and found one that requires you to enter your email (to receive HTML code), and *password* - what for, if there were no login option? So I entered stupid abc - and that was great idea, because counter's server admin was lame kid and believed that he could login into provided account using provided password (using same password more than once isn't a good idea anyway, but many don't care!). Since admin of server where I've had that mail account was my friend, he called me and asked why I've tried to login with some weird password *few times* - yes, that lamebrain used abc as password to my mailbox... Anyway, the mailing list is indexed by google, so your email is already referenced by google. [..] You are well known on the internet. I'm sure you already receive a lot of spam as I do (hundreds of messages each single day). That doesn't mean he want to receive more spam. I don't get much spam messages (1-2 per *month* on this account, 1-2 per day on other account that was heavily used on usenet few years ago (!)), and I'd like to keep it on that level. Thanks to antispam system on poczta.interia.pl (and small obfuscation of email address in usenet postings), most of the known spam doesn't even come through their SMTP - unfortunately, some wanted messages (mostly those from Yahoo!Groups) also don't, but that's not a big issue for me anyway. In other words - don't force anyone to be happy. Things that may be funny for you may not be funny for others (if I'd like to play with Frappr, I'd use other mail account). Dropping D3 support is enough for me. -- Piotr Hellrayzer Dalek [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kliknij po wiecej! http://link.interia.pl/f18ed -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group
Piotr Da³ek wrote: Hello! Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time Just use an e-mail address you can 'burn' if necessarry. --- Arno Garrels [TeamICS] http://www.overbyte.be/eng/overbyte/teamics.html -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group
Hello! Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time Just use an e-mail address you can 'burn' if necessarry. I couldn't. Nobody allowed me to choose the address. -- Piotr Hellrayzer Dalek [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kliknij po wiecej! http://link.interia.pl/f18ed -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group
Hi, Sorry for this massage being somewhat off topic in here ... Francois PIETTE wrote: Sure their privacy policy of the day say they won't spam, but it also says We reserve the right to change our privacy policy at any time If they change their policy, this would apply only to the data they collected after their change. In a perfect world, that's how it would work. The way they usually do it is to hide somewhere on their site an note saying that the new terms apply to all users but you can opt out of the data sharing. Some even require you to send a snail mail letter to their 'office' in Aruba or Beijing ... They also generally sell their lists to resellers immediately after they announce the policy change (when not before!) so that as few as possible will have a chance to 'opt out' before the sale is completed. In this particular case: http://www.frappr.com/?a=docsection=privacy The relevant part is : If we are going to use users' personally identifiable information in a manner different from that stated at the time of collection, we will notify users by placing a notice on our site Another case of 'If' that means 'When' ... Anyway, the mailing list is indexed by google, so your email is already referenced by google. Search for a part of a message you wrote, for example but this part of DNS is still some kind (use double quotes in google search to do an exact search) and you get it (http://www.google.fr/search?num=100hl=frrls=GGLC%2CGGLC%3A1970-01%2CGGLC%3Afrq=%22but+this+part+of+DNS+is+still+some+kind%22). You can aslo search for your email, either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or erv at sympatico.ca and you find some references. You are well known on the internet. I'm sure you already receive a lot of spam as I do (hundreds of messages each single day). First of all, if you get that much spam, do yourself a favor and add some spam filtering to your mail account. Getting your daily email will be a much better experience. There are different levels of spam. Pill / porn / mortgage / stock scams peddlers are the ones using spiders running on hijacked machines to gather emails the way you describe and honestly, They don't bother me much since their crap is easy to filter and will be deleted before ever reaching my machine. Their main effect is to make the mail server drive run slightly hotter and somewhat delay delivery for legitimate mails. Those that create more of a problem are the semi legitimate ones who navigate the gray area between spammy spam and legitimate lists. To operate legally or at least in a less contentious way, these lists don't use spider gathered mails and require each mail address they get from their 'partners' for supposedly 'opt in' inclusion in their lists to have a verifiable (not forged) dated IP. By inviting us, you implicitly gave them the dated IP, and the clear intent of your action was to have them send an email to the addresses you entered. It's more than enough for the 'opt-in' list resellers. I highly suspect Frappr is / will soon be one of those 'partners', since that's a major source of revenue for such sites (they claim to have more than a million users. If true, we're talking about a sizable amount of money here). If in 2 or 3 months, I start getting various 'newsletters', I won't be able to do anything about it, since they'll have a verifiable, non forged IP / date for my 'registration'. That's the main purpose behind these 'email this page to / invite a friend' links. They like them a lot, since complaining about it (as I'm doing now) seems quite rude and most people will not do it. Typically, lists users (such as Mypoints, Commission Junction ...) are 'legitimate businesses' whose messages are sent to a mix of recipients where some really requested them but most were bought from 'partners' who used a handful of tricks to get their 'consent'. Since the messages tend to be spammy but can arguably result in lots of false positives, their domains end up being whitelisted, thus rendering filtering impractical. They might send only 5% of all spam, but they often end up being 50% of spam that arrives in a properly filtered mail box, and that's why they are an annoyance. The 'opt in' you made with our email will not double my spam intake ;-) yet, people like me who keep their addresses for a long period of time (I got this one in 96), have to be careful and adequately protect them so that they remains usable, including to receive valuable informations from lists such as this one. Regards, Eric. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be - Original Message - From: Eric Montréal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [twsocket] ICS and MidWare Frappr group Francois PIETTE wrote: I added custom pins to the Frappr ICS and MidWare group (http://www.frappr.com/icsandmidware). Using those pins, you can tell
