Re: [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/10] sunxi: Fix end of kernel memory alignment for A33
Hi Hans, So it seems that I'm not the only one seeing this, and I've been wrongly blaming it on the A33, instead it seems to be a kernel bug, triggered on my A33 due to the display resolution it has. For details see: http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg413811.html That's good news; far less scary than a HW issue. Would you mind replying on that thread to give it a bit more visibility? Thanks, Mark. ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/10] sunxi: Fix end of kernel memory alignment for A33
Hi Mark, On 17-04-15 12:20, Mark Rutland wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 08:12:31PM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 16-04-15 19:35, Mark Rutland wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 08:32:03AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 15-04-15 21:57, Ian Campbell wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 18:06 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: For unknown reasons the A33 needs the end of the memory we report to the kernel to be aligned to a multiple of 4 MiB. Do you really mean the A33 needs (as in the processor itself) or do you actually mean the A33 kernel port? If the latter than can't that be investigated/fixed instead of hacked here? That would be far more preferable. I mean the former, it seems that the SoC itself cannot handle dram ranges with different cache policies which are not aligned to 4 MiB, at least that is my WAG what is going on here. That sounds incredibly suspicious. What do you mean w.r.t. different cache policies -- what does that have to do with the end of DRAM? We carve out a framebuffer at the end of DRAM, and then report less DRAM then we actually have to the kernel. This framebuffer then gets picked up by the kernel through simplefb, which will map it with a different cache policy then the normal part of the DRAM has. I see. Thanks for the clarification. What problem do you see? Depending on the framebuffer-size the kernel either boots or does not boot, when it does not boot it does nothing (I've a serial console) earlyprintk does not help, I was looking into setting up an early console (should be a matter of just putting in the right parameters) when I found out that if I modify the framebuffer size that fixes things. Ok. So we don't know if the kernel is stuck somewhere or everything is completely hosed, then? I take it you can't get JTAG worknig via the SD card slot? After experimenting more it seems that keeping the last pixel of the framebuffer at the very end of DRAM is not a problem (so this does not seem to be a display engine problem), things start to work when I make the carve out at the end bigger. On the very similar A23 giving the kernel all of the DRAM except for the framebuffer (aligned to a multiple of 4k) works just fine. Sometimes I can get away with just making the carve-out bigger without aligning it to a multiple of 4 MiB, but an alignment to 4 MiB seems to always work independent of the framebuffer size. It would be worth reporting this on lakml. If you still think that after the above explanation I'll start a new thread on lakml with contents more targeted at kernel devs. I think it would be worthwhile. This could be one instance of an issue in the memory system that we might hit elsewhere. Even if we don't come to another solution, it'll at least make it visible to others. So it seems that I'm not the only one seeing this, and I've been wrongly blaming it on the A33, instead it seems to be a kernel bug, triggered on my A33 due to the display resolution it has. For details see: http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg413811.html Regards, Hans ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/10] sunxi: Fix end of kernel memory alignment for A33
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 08:12:31PM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 16-04-15 19:35, Mark Rutland wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 08:32:03AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 15-04-15 21:57, Ian Campbell wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 18:06 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: For unknown reasons the A33 needs the end of the memory we report to the kernel to be aligned to a multiple of 4 MiB. Do you really mean the A33 needs (as in the processor itself) or do you actually mean the A33 kernel port? If the latter than can't that be investigated/fixed instead of hacked here? That would be far more preferable. I mean the former, it seems that the SoC itself cannot handle dram ranges with different cache policies which are not aligned to 4 MiB, at least that is my WAG what is going on here. That sounds incredibly suspicious. What do you mean w.r.t. different cache policies -- what does that have to do with the end of DRAM? We carve out a framebuffer at the end of DRAM, and then report less DRAM then we actually have to the kernel. This framebuffer then gets picked up by the kernel through simplefb, which will map it with a different cache policy then the normal part of the DRAM has. I see. Thanks for the clarification. What problem do you see? Depending on the framebuffer-size the kernel either boots or does not boot, when it does not boot it does nothing (I've a serial console) earlyprintk does not help, I was looking into setting up an early console (should be a matter of just putting in the right parameters) when I found out that if I modify the framebuffer size that fixes things. Ok. So we don't know if the kernel is stuck somewhere or everything is completely hosed, then? I take it you can't get JTAG worknig via the SD card slot? After experimenting more it seems that keeping the last pixel of the framebuffer at the very end of DRAM is not a problem (so this does not seem to be a display engine problem), things start to work when I make the carve out at the end bigger. On the very similar A23 giving the kernel all of the DRAM except for the framebuffer (aligned to a multiple of 4k) works just fine. Sometimes I can get away with just making the carve-out bigger without aligning it to a multiple of 4 MiB, but an alignment to 4 MiB seems to always work independent of the framebuffer size. It would be worth reporting this on lakml. If you still think that after the above explanation I'll start a new thread on lakml with contents more targeted at kernel devs. I think it would be worthwhile. This could be one instance of an issue in the memory system that we might hit elsewhere. Even if we don't come to another solution, it'll at least make it visible to others. I've been using an a23 dtb + generic multi-platform kernel for my testing (as said before the a33 really is almost the same design), and that boots fine without this alignment hack on an actual A23 device, so this is not a kernel limitation. Not necessarily. Is RAM at the same location on both SoCs? What about other devices and carevouts? Everything is the same on both SoCs except that one has 2 Cortex A7 cores and the new one with the problem has 4 Cortex A7 cores, and a new dram controller / mbus subsystem to keep the 4 cores fed. It could be htat the stars happen to align and we're finally caught out by some dodgy maths. I don't think that that is the case here. Yeah. The memory subsystem differences sound like the chief suspects. Do we know if the A7s in the A23 and A33 are different revisions (and which bits are set in their aux registers)? It could be that some memory system features is enabled on one but not the other, or something like that. Mark. ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/10] sunxi: Fix end of kernel memory alignment for A33
Hi, On 15-04-15 21:57, Ian Campbell wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 18:06 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: For unknown reasons the A33 needs the end of the memory we report to the kernel to be aligned to a multiple of 4 MiB. Do you really mean the A33 needs (as in the processor itself) or do you actually mean the A33 kernel port? If the latter than can't that be investigated/fixed instead of hacked here? That would be far more preferable. I mean the former, it seems that the SoC itself cannot handle dram ranges with different cache policies which are not aligned to 4 MiB, at least that is my WAG what is going on here. I've been using an a23 dtb + generic multi-platform kernel for my testing (as said before the a33 really is almost the same design), and that boots fine without this alignment hack on an actual A23 device, so this is not a kernel limitation. I'm not entirely happy with this semi-magic workaround either, but it took me a day to find it, and then I tried to find a better solution / more satisfying answer as to why for another day, so at this point my vision on this is that we will just have to live with it. Regards, Hans ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/10] sunxi: Fix end of kernel memory alignment for A33
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 08:32:03AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 15-04-15 21:57, Ian Campbell wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 18:06 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: For unknown reasons the A33 needs the end of the memory we report to the kernel to be aligned to a multiple of 4 MiB. Do you really mean the A33 needs (as in the processor itself) or do you actually mean the A33 kernel port? If the latter than can't that be investigated/fixed instead of hacked here? That would be far more preferable. I mean the former, it seems that the SoC itself cannot handle dram ranges with different cache policies which are not aligned to 4 MiB, at least that is my WAG what is going on here. That sounds incredibly suspicious. What do you mean w.r.t. different cache policies -- what does that have to do with the end of DRAM? What problem do you see? It would be worth reporting this on lakml. I've been using an a23 dtb + generic multi-platform kernel for my testing (as said before the a33 really is almost the same design), and that boots fine without this alignment hack on an actual A23 device, so this is not a kernel limitation. Not necessarily. Is RAM at the same location on both SoCs? What about other devices and carevouts? It could be htat the stars happen to align and we're finally caught out by some dodgy maths. Mark. ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/10] sunxi: Fix end of kernel memory alignment for A33
Hi, On 16-04-15 19:35, Mark Rutland wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 08:32:03AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: Hi, On 15-04-15 21:57, Ian Campbell wrote: On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 18:06 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: For unknown reasons the A33 needs the end of the memory we report to the kernel to be aligned to a multiple of 4 MiB. Do you really mean the A33 needs (as in the processor itself) or do you actually mean the A33 kernel port? If the latter than can't that be investigated/fixed instead of hacked here? That would be far more preferable. I mean the former, it seems that the SoC itself cannot handle dram ranges with different cache policies which are not aligned to 4 MiB, at least that is my WAG what is going on here. That sounds incredibly suspicious. What do you mean w.r.t. different cache policies -- what does that have to do with the end of DRAM? We carve out a framebuffer at the end of DRAM, and then report less DRAM then we actually have to the kernel. This framebuffer then gets picked up by the kernel through simplefb, which will map it with a different cache policy then the normal part of the DRAM has. What problem do you see? Depending on the framebuffer-size the kernel either boots or does not boot, when it does not boot it does nothing (I've a serial console) earlyprintk does not help, I was looking into setting up an early console (should be a matter of just putting in the right parameters) when I found out that if I modify the framebuffer size that fixes things. After experimenting more it seems that keeping the last pixel of the framebuffer at the very end of DRAM is not a problem (so this does not seem to be a display engine problem), things start to work when I make the carve out at the end bigger. On the very similar A23 giving the kernel all of the DRAM except for the framebuffer (aligned to a multiple of 4k) works just fine. Sometimes I can get away with just making the carve-out bigger without aligning it to a multiple of 4 MiB, but an alignment to 4 MiB seems to always work independent of the framebuffer size. It would be worth reporting this on lakml. If you still think that after the above explanation I'll start a new thread on lakml with contents more targeted at kernel devs. I've been using an a23 dtb + generic multi-platform kernel for my testing (as said before the a33 really is almost the same design), and that boots fine without this alignment hack on an actual A23 device, so this is not a kernel limitation. Not necessarily. Is RAM at the same location on both SoCs? What about other devices and carevouts? Everything is the same on both SoCs except that one has 2 Cortex A7 cores and the new one with the problem has 4 Cortex A7 cores, and a new dram controller / mbus subsystem to keep the 4 cores fed. It could be htat the stars happen to align and we're finally caught out by some dodgy maths. I don't think that that is the case here. Regards, Hans ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
Re: [U-Boot] [PATCH 07/10] sunxi: Fix end of kernel memory alignment for A33
On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 18:06 +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: For unknown reasons the A33 needs the end of the memory we report to the kernel to be aligned to a multiple of 4 MiB. Do you really mean the A33 needs (as in the processor itself) or do you actually mean the A33 kernel port? If the latter than can't that be investigated/fixed instead of hacked here? That would be far more preferable. Ian. ___ U-Boot mailing list U-Boot@lists.denx.de http://lists.denx.de/mailman/listinfo/u-boot
