RE: [U2] UV 10.1.2 ?

[karlp]

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> Karl,
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> We in the same boat, and looking to upgrade between Christmas and New
> Year.
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> We are doing the Universe upgrade first, shaking that out for a while,
> then
> will upgrade AIX to 5.3.
>
> Lesson 1 from school or hard knocks Never do multiple upgrades at the
> same time unless you have to.

Having worked for vars and having done literally hundreds of upgrades of
both OS and DBMS, I agree whole heartedly. Let there be at least 2 weeks,
after all the bugs are worked out, before doing the second upgrade. There
is one major problem with this when one works for an organization that
doesn't do regular upgrades: Sometimes one can't be upgraded without doing
the other at the same time because of compatibility issues.

Karl

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> Mike
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> Our server is running AIX 4.3.3 and I'm upgrading to 10.1.2. Is there any
> known gotchas with this combination that I should prepare for, or avoid by
> holding out for 10.1.4 or newer?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [U2] [OT] LA

[Anthony W. Youngman]

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Sure, 181 days without rain - and it has to rain our last day at Disneyland!!
A few years ago I was lucky that way ...
For only the third time that summer it was *not* cloudy at midnight ... 
so we could look due north and see the sun with only 72 hours to sunset.

Cheers,
Wol
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Re: OT: Sync Passwd [WAS [U2] NT & UNIX]

[Anthony W. Youngman]

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IMHO, Active Directory (AD) with Windows Service for UNIX 3.5 (SFU)
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/).
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324083
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/interop/sfu/psync.mspx
SFU 3.5 is free from MS.  I can type ls command at DOS shell.  Woohoo.
Or Samba. Samba can act as a PDC to take over the domain - windows users 
authenticate against Samba - or you can use PAM to make unix users 
authenticate via Samba against a Windows PDC.

The trouble with SFU is it's one-way - it only works if you let Windows 
be in control :-(

(Oh - and SFU is pretty much just Cygwin I believe, suitably EE'd by
MS :-)
Cheers,
Wol
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RE: [U2] UV 10.1.2 ?

[Michael Polak]

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Karl,

We in the same boat, and looking to upgrade between Christmas and New Year.


We are doing the Universe upgrade first, shaking that out for a while, then
will upgrade AIX to 5.3.

Lesson 1 from school or hard knocks Never do multiple upgrades at the
same time unless you have to.

Mike

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Subject: [U2] UV 10.1.2 ?

Our server is running AIX 4.3.3 and I'm upgrading to 10.1.2. Is there any
known gotchas with this combination that I should prepare for, or avoid by
holding out for 10.1.4 or newer?

Thanks,

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RE: [U2] PICK Assembler Language

[Steven M Wagner]

Thought it compiled to the Pick virtual machine?
Steve Wagner
At 06:56 PM 11/5/04 -0500, you wrote:
"Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) .."
Pick STILL runs "native" in the MvBase implementation.  If you call it 
that.  It uses the same concepts of workspace, modes, and ABS frames and 
I'm sure it's the same "assembler", read pseudo-assembler.  Doesn't 
actually compile to machine language you know.
Will
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Re: [U2] UV 10.1.2 ?

[karlp]

I guess we are just slow to adopt new technology. Var-driven mostly. All
our apps are green-screen still.


> AIX 4.3.3?
> Why not 5.x?
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> Subject: [U2] UV 10.1.2 ?
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>> Our server is running AIX 4.3.3 and I'm upgrading to 10.1.2. Is there
>> any
>> known gotchas with this combination that I should prepare for, or avoid
>> by
>> holding out for 10.1.4 or newer?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Karl L. Pearson
>> Director of IT,
>> ATS Industrial Supply
>> Direct: 801-978-4429
>> Toll-free: 800-789-9300 1,29
>> Fax: 801-972-3888
>> http://www.atsindustrial.com
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Re: [U2] PICK Assembler Language

[Mark Johnson]

I had a conversion client a few years ago that used ScreenGen which was an
ABS-based 4GL. Extremely fast but had to scrap it as their AlphaMicro system
was showing signs of crashing and they went to a standard package on D3/AIX.

How fast you might ask? It supported 230 simultaneous serial users plus 22
serial printers on a 75Mhz 486.

Funny how earlier the effort was borne on the programmer to be as efficient
as he could to make up for the deficiencies of the platform. Now-a-days, the
processors are so infinitely fast that they clearly cover up less efficient
programming.

Case in point: My Tuesday client running D3/W2K uses The Programmers Helper
and Visual Pick. Granted, one shouldn't look under the hood at the generated
source code but some of these created programs are over 9,000 lines of code
(no 32K limit here). Not to mention the dozens of INCLUDES that come along
for the ride. They compile in about 1 second (Flash Basic) and run as fast
as expected with no hesitation from the menus to the programs.

My Wednesday client is a 1986 Microdata Spirit system so once a week I'm in
a time warp on their system. No useful INCLUDES, difficult external CALLed
subs, 32K limits, no Dict Calls and a rickety PERFORM statement. I have to
be far more cognizant of my effeciency here as it does make a difference on
which method I choose to solve any situation. I can't just write any code
that compiles here. I have to pick (no pun intended) the correct method.
(BTW, this isn't a solicitation for conversion suggestions. Thanks anyway.
But I will accept any coding suggestions.)

That gives me a perspective on today's system. Granted, many on this forum
came through the ages of MCD/ULT, R80, R83 and other earlier platforms. But,
time has erased some of the feelings of those earlier systems as you
probably don't touch them today. Therefore, it's easy to forget how far
we've come.

IMHO, Pick assemly should be given a proper burial as if you have the need,
you probably should consider upgrading to a contemporary system. Many, many
of the hand-written user-exits and assembly stuff has long since been made
standard in contemporary releases. I cannot imagine any business or database
logic needing assembler that can't be solved with the 'above board'
languages.

My 3 cents.

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> Assembly isn't that bad.  I programmed in COBAL and Assembly on GE115s and
> the assembly language programming was not that hard.
>
> As for Pick Assembler.  Never used it.  Only was at one site that even had
> a copy of the Assembler, AlphaMicro.
>
> I way heard that applications written in Pick Assembler ran very
> fast.  Although it was easy to trash the system if you made a single
mistake.
>
> Steve
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> At 01:07 PM 11/5/04 -0800, you wrote:
> >I learned assembly on the IBM 370.  Took two whole years of it.
> >
> >What a waste of time...never used it once.
> >
> >My teacher was an ex IBM employee that used to exclusively write I/O
> >routines.  Last I heard he had gone insane.  This gives a bit of insight
> >into the difficulty of that language.
> >
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> > > Pick *has* an assembly language???!!!
> >
> >Back when PICK ran native instead of under Unix (or whatever) ..
> >
> >And some of us even programmed in it ..
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Re: [U2] UV 10.1.2 ?

[Scott Richardson]

AIX 4.3.3?
Why not 5.x?

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Subject: [U2] UV 10.1.2 ?


> Our server is running AIX 4.3.3 and I'm upgrading to 10.1.2. Is there any
> known gotchas with this combination that I should prepare for, or avoid by
> holding out for 10.1.4 or newer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- 
> Karl L. Pearson
> Director of IT,
> ATS Industrial Supply
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