RE: [U2]UniData and Multithreading for udtsort.exe on Windows Server 2003

2007-01-04 Thread Timothy Snyder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/04/2007 08:54:01 PM:

> One way you COULD boost CPU usage to 50% would be to upgrade to a dual
> 3.8Ghz system . but I'm guessing that isn't an option 

Of course, that assumes that you _want_ to allow a single process to 
consume half of your entire CPU capacity.  That would also apply to 
UniBasic programs that sit in tight loops, such as badly-written keystroke 
input routines and READU...LOCKED processing, not to mention the classic 
problems with manipulating large dynamic arrays.  I recently worked with a 
customer with exactly this scenario.  They were running on a dual-core 
system.  A keyboard input routine went into a loop that simply checked 
whether a keystroke was pending; if not, it just went back to the top of 
the loop and kept looping unthrottled until something was available.  It 
was chewing up half of their CPU capacity.  When that program was running 
on more than one PID at a time - well there wasn't much actual work 
getting done on the system.

Splitting up the total processor capacity among multiple units is not 
necessarily a bad thing.  Having a small number of very fast processors 
allows CPU hogs to take over the system quite easily.


Tim Snyder
Consulting I/T Specialist
U2 Consulting
North American Lab Services
IBM Software Group
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RE: [U2]UniData and Multithreading for udtsort.exe on Windows Server 2003

2007-01-04 Thread Ross Ferris
I believe you will find that this runs as a single thread, so your 25% =
100% of a single CPU - it IS "multi-processor capable" (otherwise it
wouldn't run :-), but work would be required which I think IBM are
unlikely to undertake.

One way you COULD boost CPU usage to 50% would be to upgrade to a dual
3.8Ghz system . but I'm guessing that isn't an option 

Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage > Better by Design!
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>Subject: [U2]UniData and Multithreading for udtsort.exe on Windows
Server
>2003
>
>Happy Holidays people   *<:o)
>
>I have Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 and four slow
>processors(~700mhz) in a server.  It is running Unidata 7.1.
>
>udtsort.exe caps out at 25% CPU usage -- it never exceeds this.
>Because there are four processors, this leads me to believe that it is
>completely using one of the processors.  Is the 25% a hard-coded cap
>of some sort, or is it simply not multi-processor capable?  If it
>were, would it try to use 100% of the processors?  If one processor is
>fully utilized and there are two udtsort.exe instances running, does
>the second one try to use the next available processor?  SB+ users are
>unable to function efficiently when udtsort.exe is running at maximum
>capacity(read: unable to so much as bring a screen up), and this leads
>me to believe that perhaps they're not multi-processor aware as well.
>
>Is there some sort of setting that I can change to enable that?  Or is
>server 2003 not capable of it?  Or am I just hallucinating again?
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Re: [U2] Printer setup

2007-01-04 Thread Denny Watkins

Karl,

Thanks for the information!!  Will try some of your suggestions and 
examples.


Denny

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To: "Denny Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:06 AM
Subject: [U2] Printer setup



It was nice to talk to you on the phone. I've included excerpts from the
driver files for one of our printers setup the way you may want to test,
if sending an ESC-E doesn't work (after your explanation of the situation,
I won't be surprised if it doesn't). Hopefully my descriptions of each
section below will make sense. Also, I would bet you will get some great
help from the list. See below my signature.

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UV &DEVICE& for LP14

UV:>CT &DEVICE& LP14

LP14
0001
0002 /dev/null
0003
0004 P
0005 lock.lp14
0006 /u1/uvptr/lp14.drv
0007 WHINVOICE
0008 4
0009 1
0010 1
0011 11
0012
0013 1
0014 1
0015 1
0016 1
0017 8
0018
0019

Line from sp.config in /usr/spool/uv (long wrapped line):
LP14 /dev/null BAUD 9600 DRIVER /u1/uvptr/lp14.drv FORMS WHINVOICE XOFF
STARTANY OFF PARITY None TABS ON FFDELAY 1 LFDELAY 0 DATABITS 8 LOCKFILE
lock.lp14

Driver in /u1/uvptr/lp14.drv (chmod 755):
lp -d lp14

/etc/qconfig section for lp14:
lp14:
   device = @192
   up = TRUE
   host = 192.168.1.85
   s_statfilter = /usr/lib/lpd/bsdshort
   l_statfilter = /usr/lib/lpd/bsdlong
   rq = 9100
@192:
   backend = /usr/lib/lpd/rembak

This printer in an HP4200tn, so the remote queue name is 9100. It could be
RAW1, or on another print server, it could be LPT1, or P1, etc. I would
have shown the setup from smit, but it doesn't show anything except during
setup and I don't think I should remove the queue, then set it up again
just to show you what it looks like. It's setup as a generic text printer.
We send PCL codes to get fancy printing, etc.

Good luck... Oh, one last thought. Try just pressing the ONLINE button on
the Kyocera printer and see if that makes it work. If it does, I'm not
sure how to work around it, but at least it may give you a clue.

Karl
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RE: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

2007-01-04 Thread Stevenson, Charles
Don't forget the keyword "INTERNAL" for uv's LIST.READU.
Is this a partial answer to UD's GETREADU function, too?
(Admittedly, none of this directly addresses the original poster's
request for filenames instead of dev/inode.)


Instead of:
> 0021: EXECUTE 'LIST.READU', OUT > READU.LIST

try:EXECUTE 'LIST.READU INTERNAL', OUT > READU.LIST


Example from my dev system:

>CT CDS.BP LRDU

 LRDU
0001   EXECUTE 'LIST.READU INTERNAL', OUT > LIST.READU
0002   MAX.A = DCOUNT( LIST.READU, @AM )
0003   FOR A = 1 TO MAX.A
0004  CRT A, LIST.READU
0005   NEXT A
0006END

>RUN CDS.BP LRDU
1 
2 1076297735}293705}0}47615}19}FX}17921}root} 
3 1076297735}14166}0}53053}84}RU}12483}root}07010452.918} 
4
1076297735}293567}0}49159}87}RU}16399}uvadm}UVERRLOG.CAPTURE_running} 
5 1076297735}132406}0}53056}119}RU}12480}root}07010452.912} 
6 1076363270}252870}0}13}366}RU}20066}asmed}SLA.RPT.BOR} 
7 1076297734}8458}0}53073}412}RU}12463}root}07010452.904}

>

The values correspond to the columns in the normal, human-readable
LIST.READU listing.


cds
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RE: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

2007-01-04 Thread Leroy Dreyfuss
   You  can  use  the INTERNAL keyword with LIST.READU to get the results
   back  as  a  dynamic array. You also might wish to index the FILEINODE
   and  FILEDEV fields of the UNIVERSE.STAT.FILE so you can use something
   like  SELECTINDEX  in  BASIC to obtain the records quickly. Using this
   method, it shouldn't matter if you use Windows or UNIX.

   Regards,

   LeRoy F. Dreyfuss
   Product Manager
   IBM UniVerse and UniData (U2) Data Servers
   [cid:_2_0AA54ED00AA54C7C006A26B687257259]

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   "John Hester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   01/04/2007 11:16 AM

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   RE: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

   > -Original Message-
   > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike
   > Pflugfelder
   > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:02 PM
   > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
   > Subject: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program
   >
   > Does anyone have a program written that would give us better
   > output for
   > LIST.READU that they wouldn't mind sharing?
   I use this on UV:
   0021: EXECUTE 'LIST.READU', OUT > READU.LIST
   0022: DEL READU.LIST
   0023: READU.ARRAY = TRIM(READU.LIST)
   0024: CONVERT ' ' TO @VM IN READU.ARRAY
   0025: LINES = DCOUNT(READU.ARRAY,@AM)
   0026: QUIT = 0 ; CUR.LINE = 1
   0027: FOR I = 1 TO LINES UNTIL QUIT
   0028:   IF NUM(READU.ARRAY) AND READU.ARRAY # '' THEN
   0029: INODE.NO = TRIM(READU.ARRAY)
   0030: EXECUTE 'SH -c "ls -i | egrep ':INODE.NO:'"', OUT > FILENAME
   0031: IF FILENAME<1,1,1> # '' THEN
   0032:   FILENAME = FIELD(TRIM(FILENAME<1,1,1>),' ',2) 'L#6'
   0033:   INODE.POS1 = INDEX(READU.LIST,INODE.NO,1)
   0034:   INODE.POS2 = INODE.POS1 + LEN(INODE.NO)
   0035:   IF LEN(INODE.NO) = 9 THEN
   0036: INODE.POS2 += 1
   0037: FILENAME = ' ':FILENAME:' '
   0038:   END
   0039:   READU.LIST =
   READU.LIST[1,INODE.POS1-1]:FILENAME:READU.LIST[INODE.POS2,99]
   0040: END
   0041:   END
   0042:   PRINT READU.LIST
   0043:   CUR.LINE += 1
   0044:   IF CUR.LINE = 24 THEN
   0045: PRINT 'Press any key to continue...':
   0046: INPUT DATA.IO, 1
   0047: QUIT = DATA.IO = 'Q'
   0048: IF NOT(QUIT) THEN
   0049:   CUR.LINE = 0
   0050: END
   0051:   END
   0052: NEXT I
   0053: END
   The only caveat is that it can only report file names for the account
   you run it in.  Works well for us since all of our users work in a
   single account.
   -John
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RE: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

2007-01-04 Thread John Hester
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Pflugfelder
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:02 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program
> 
> Does anyone have a program written that would give us better 
> output for
> LIST.READU that they wouldn't mind sharing? 

Sorry, disregard my previous post.  I just noticed you're running UV on
Windows.  The code I posted only works on unix or linux.

-John
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RE: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

2007-01-04 Thread John Hester
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Pflugfelder
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:02 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program
> 
> Does anyone have a program written that would give us better 
> output for
> LIST.READU that they wouldn't mind sharing?

I use this on UV:

0021: EXECUTE 'LIST.READU', OUT > READU.LIST
0022: DEL READU.LIST
0023: READU.ARRAY = TRIM(READU.LIST)
0024: CONVERT ' ' TO @VM IN READU.ARRAY
0025: LINES = DCOUNT(READU.ARRAY,@AM)
0026: QUIT = 0 ; CUR.LINE = 1
0027: FOR I = 1 TO LINES UNTIL QUIT
0028:   IF NUM(READU.ARRAY) AND READU.ARRAY # '' THEN
0029: INODE.NO = TRIM(READU.ARRAY)
0030: EXECUTE 'SH -c "ls -i | egrep ':INODE.NO:'"', OUT > FILENAME
0031: IF FILENAME<1,1,1> # '' THEN
0032:   FILENAME = FIELD(TRIM(FILENAME<1,1,1>),' ',2) 'L#6'
0033:   INODE.POS1 = INDEX(READU.LIST,INODE.NO,1)
0034:   INODE.POS2 = INODE.POS1 + LEN(INODE.NO)
0035:   IF LEN(INODE.NO) = 9 THEN
0036: INODE.POS2 += 1
0037: FILENAME = ' ':FILENAME:' '
0038:   END
0039:   READU.LIST =
READU.LIST[1,INODE.POS1-1]:FILENAME:READU.LIST[INODE.POS2,99]
0040: END
0041:   END
0042:   PRINT READU.LIST
0043:   CUR.LINE += 1
0044:   IF CUR.LINE = 24 THEN
0045: PRINT 'Press any key to continue...':
0046: INPUT DATA.IO, 1
0047: QUIT = DATA.IO = 'Q'
0048: IF NOT(QUIT) THEN
0049:   CUR.LINE = 0
0050: END
0051:   END
0052: NEXT I
0053: END

The only caveat is that it can only report file names for the account
you run it in.  Works well for us since all of our users work in a
single account.

-John
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Re: [U2] Advantage

2007-01-04 Thread will
Thanks for the reply Francis and others. 

I just learned this morning that this system was developed in the US and 
is a version 1.0 with many years of modifications and the company that 
produced it abandoned it years ago!  Looking forward to the challenge.


Will

Francis Bennett wrote:

Hi Will,

If you are referring to the package developed in Australia by Clegg Driscoll
(later Sanderson CDC) the rights are now held by Meier Busuiness Systems in
Melbourne.

There is no "knowledge base" other than the included documentation (which is
not bad in most areas).  I was part of the development team, and I still
support two sites in Sydney, so maybe I can help.

Regards,
Francis

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To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: [U2] Advantage


  

Anyone have a knowledge base regarding the Advantage accounting system?

Will
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[U2] RedBack on W2003

2007-01-04 Thread Baruch Salamander
Greetings,

We are planning to shift our Web Server which holds RedBack Designer 4.2.6
from W2000 to W2003.
Are there any side effects in using RedBack Designer 4.2.6 on W2003?

Our Universe 10.1.11 Server would remain on W2000 and would interface with
RedBack.
Are there any side effects to that?

Baruch
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[U2] Printer setup

2007-01-04 Thread karlp
It was nice to talk to you on the phone. I've included excerpts from the
driver files for one of our printers setup the way you may want to test,
if sending an ESC-E doesn't work (after your explanation of the situation,
I won't be surprised if it doesn't). Hopefully my descriptions of each
section below will make sense. Also, I would bet you will get some great
help from the list. See below my signature.

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UV &DEVICE& for LP14

UV:>CT &DEVICE& LP14

 LP14
0001
0002 /dev/null
0003
0004 P
0005 lock.lp14
0006 /u1/uvptr/lp14.drv
0007 WHINVOICE
0008 4
0009 1
0010 1
0011 11
0012
0013 1
0014 1
0015 1
0016 1
0017 8
0018
0019

Line from sp.config in /usr/spool/uv (long wrapped line):
LP14 /dev/null BAUD 9600 DRIVER /u1/uvptr/lp14.drv FORMS WHINVOICE XOFF
STARTANY OFF PARITY None TABS ON FFDELAY 1 LFDELAY 0 DATABITS 8 LOCKFILE
lock.lp14

Driver in /u1/uvptr/lp14.drv (chmod 755):
lp -d lp14

/etc/qconfig section for lp14:
lp14:
device = @192
up = TRUE
host = 192.168.1.85
s_statfilter = /usr/lib/lpd/bsdshort
l_statfilter = /usr/lib/lpd/bsdlong
rq = 9100
@192:
backend = /usr/lib/lpd/rembak

This printer in an HP4200tn, so the remote queue name is 9100. It could be
RAW1, or on another print server, it could be LPT1, or P1, etc. I would
have shown the setup from smit, but it doesn't show anything except during
setup and I don't think I should remove the queue, then set it up again
just to show you what it looks like. It's setup as a generic text printer.
We send PCL codes to get fancy printing, etc.

Good luck... Oh, one last thought. Try just pressing the ONLINE button on
the Kyocera printer and see if that makes it work. If it does, I'm not
sure how to work around it, but at least it may give you a clue.

Karl
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RE: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

2007-01-04 Thread Gordon J Glorfield
Dave,

Unfortunately for us who are stuck with UV your program won't work.  The 
list.readu in UniData is much more user friendly and actually lists the 
file name that has the lock.  UniVerse is nowhere near as friendly.  It 
lists the INODE but not the file name.

Secondly, UniVerse Basic does not have the GETREADU function.  Another 
shortcoming of UniVerse when compared to UniData.


Gordon J. Glorfield
Sr. Applications Developer
UnitedHealthcare's Mid-Atlantic Health Plans
301-360-8839

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/04/2007 10:08:22 AM:

> I threw this together one morning a few years back, when list.readu was
> frustrating ME. It's a rather simple program, as you can see. Maybe you 
can
> tweak and get the results you want.

> 
[snip]
> 011:   INFO=GETREADU()
[snip]
> This is running on UniData, but I can't see that it would be much 
different
> for UV.

> --
> Dave Walker

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Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

2007-01-04 Thread Jeffrey Butera
> On 1/3/07, Mike Pflugfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does anyone have a program written that would give us better output for
> > LIST.READU that they wouldn't mind sharing?  We're having some problems
> > with record locks on one of our systems and it would help a whole lot if
> > I could do a LIST.READU (or similar) and see the username and filename
> > of the record that is locked all on one line.  We have an up-to-date
> > UNIVERSE.STAT.FILE and I was about to write my own replacement for
> > LIST.READU but I figured I would ask first so as to not reinvent the
> > wheel.

Below (for Unidata, UV might need a tweak).

*
* Program written by nobody I know - just passed around
* via listservs...
*
R.PH = GETREADU()
P= -1
Y = 25
PRINT @(-1):
MAX = COUNT(R.PH,@FM) + (R.PH #'')
FOR CNT = 1 TO MAX
Y += 1
IF Y > 21 THEN
P += 1
IF P > 0 THEN
PRINT @(0,23):'RETURN TO CONTINUE :':
INPUT CR
IF CR[1,1] = 'S' OR CR[1,1] = 'Q' OR CR[1,1] = 'E' THEN
PRINT
STOP
END
END
Y = 2
PRINT @(-1):'   RECORD LOCKS'
PRINT ' UID  PORT LOGINS... FILE NAME...':
PRINT 'RECORD KEY.. ..TIME.. ...DATE..'
END
PORT = FIELD(R.PH'/',1,1)
FPOS = COUNT(R.PH,'/')+(R.PH#'')
FNAME = FIELD(R.PH,'/',FPOS,1)
PRINT @(0,Y):FMT(R.PH,'R#5'):' ':FMT(PORT,'R#4'):
PRINT ' ':FMT(R.PH,'L#8'):' ':FMT(FNAME,'L#20'):
PRINT ' ':FMT(R.PH,'L#20'):' ':FMT(R.PH,'R#8'):
PRINT ' ':FMT(R.PH,'L#12')
NEXT CNT


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Administrative Systems
Hampshire College
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RE: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

2007-01-04 Thread Dave Walker
I threw this together one morning a few years back, when list.readu was
frustrating ME. It's a rather simple program, as you can see. Maybe you can
tweak and get the results you want.


001:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
002:   LINE.CNT = 1
003:   HEAD="UNBR""L#8"
004:   HEAD:="UID""L#6"
005:   HEAD:="UNAME""L#8"
006:   HEAD:="TTY""L#8"
007:   HEAD := "FILE/RECORD ID""L#25"
008:   HEAD:="M""L#3"
009:   HEAD:="TIME""L#9"
010:   HEAD:="DATE"
011:   INFO=GETREADU()
012:   ACNT=DCOUNT(INFO,@AM)
013:   PRINT @(-1):HEAD
014:   PRINT
015:   FOR J=1 TO ACNT
016: PRINT INFO"L#8":
017: PRINT INFO"L#6":
018: PRINT INFO"L#8":
019: PRINT INFO"L#8":
020: PRINT INFO[1,24]"L#25":
021: PRINT INFO"L#3":
022: PRINT INFO"L#9":
023: PRINT INFO"L#12"
024: PRINT SPACE(30):INFO"L#30"
025: LINE.CNT +=2
026: IF LINE.CNT GE HEIGHT THEN
027:   XX=IN()
028:   PRINT @(-1):HEAD
029:   PRINT
030:   LINE.CNT=1
031: END
032:   NEXT J
033:   PRINT
034:   PRINT ACNT:" active database locks as of ":OCONV(TIME(),'MT')
035:   PRINT

This is running on UniData, but I can't see that it would be much different
for UV.

--
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Pflugfelder
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 10:02 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program


Does anyone have a program written that would give us better output for
LIST.READU that they wouldn't mind sharing?  We're having some problems
with record locks on one of our systems and it would help a whole lot if
I could do a LIST.READU (or similar) and see the username and filename
of the record that is locked all on one line.  We have an up-to-date
UNIVERSE.STAT.FILE and I was about to write my own replacement for
LIST.READU but I figured I would ask first so as to not reinvent the
wheel.

We're currently running Universe 10.2.0 on Windows 2000.

Thanks,
-Mike Pflugfelder
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[U2] [UV] AIX & UNIVERSE Printing

2007-01-04 Thread Denny Watkins
We are running AIX 5.3 and Universe 10.1.14.

I'm having a problem sharing a network printer between AIX/Universe
and Windows. A particular user wants to be able to print from Windows
as well as from Universe.

QUESTIONS:

1.) Does the Universe spooler operate somewhat like the following from
UniVerse System Administration-->:

   The queue connects, send a print job, and then disconnects
   to allows the printer to be shared by multiple clients.
   When one isn't printing, the others are able to connect.

2) Do you have to have "print queues" on the AIX side if you only print
   from Universe (JRT Spooler)?

I'm willing to discuss this off-line in order not to burden the list
with a specific question regarding AIX & Uuniverse.

Thanks,

Denny Watkins
Morningside College
Sioux City, IA  51106-1717

Phone:  712-274-5250

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.READU program

2007-01-04 Thread john reid

We have some items that make life easier, but they all rely upon a
periodic build of a so-called 'INODE.XREF' file. If you can live with
that, we can help.  Maybe someone else has something better though.
j


On 1/3/07, Mike Pflugfelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does anyone have a program written that would give us better output for
LIST.READU that they wouldn't mind sharing?  We're having some problems
with record locks on one of our systems and it would help a whole lot if
I could do a LIST.READU (or similar) and see the username and filename
of the record that is locked all on one line.  We have an up-to-date
UNIVERSE.STAT.FILE and I was about to write my own replacement for
LIST.READU but I figured I would ask first so as to not reinvent the
wheel.

We're currently running Universe 10.2.0 on Windows 2000.

Thanks,
-Mike Pflugfelder
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RE: [U2] voice recognition software

2007-01-04 Thread Brian Leach
Steve

I've used various voice recognition packages for dictation, with varying
degrees of success. Get the best quality headset you can buy: that really
makes a huge difference in accuracy.

One of the unsung additions to Vista is decent voice support.

MS have completely rewritten their speech engine and made it into an OS
level feature, so any Windows program will gain at least some level of voice
recognition out of the box. This extends to a good control and command set -
something missing from earlier MS offerings. There's even a reader that
sounds disturbingly human - far from Microsoft Sam and Mike!

>From the developers side, there is also a substantial API that can be hooked
into, and a new System.Speech namespace in .NET 3. These allow you to create
simple 'grammars' using an XML style approach, and to raise events when
grammar keywords are recognized. It's a neater version of the current SAPI 5
libraries. Not sure how relevant that will be since you're using a packaged
product: but it might be worth mentioning to your vendor. There's good
reasons why developers SHOULD start thinking about speech recognition now,
not least the march of disability legislation.

Vista's built in voice recognition is worth a look, if you can live with the
rest of it...

Brian

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Kunzman
> Sent: 04 January 2007 05:30
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] voice recognition software
> 
> One of my customers asked if it was possible to interface 
> voice recognition software with a Unidata (Dataflo) 
> application. Has anyone done anything like this? Has anyone 
> used voice recognition software? Productive?
> 
> Thank you.
> Steve Kunzman
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Re: [U2] voice recognition software

2007-01-04 Thread Stephen O'Neal
I use Nuance's Dragon Naturally Speaking Professional 9.  I have used 
versions from release 7 on, or for about 3.5 years.  The accuracy was good 
on 7, great on 8 and excellent on 9.  It's about $99 for the SW. 
http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking

The software works in any Windows environment.  I use it for e-mail 
responses (Lotus Notes),  MS/Word document development and instant 
messaging.  When you speak, the software responds with character streams 
into the box you have selected.  I have not used it with any particular PC 
emulation software.  Since it responds with character streams into the box 
where you are typing, I think it would work quite well with emulation SW.

It takes about 10-15 minutes to train it by you reading a story (that you 
pick) to teach it to recognize your voice.  After teaching it, you can 
scan documents to load words you will use.  It has correction features 
that make it a breeze to continue to learn. 

I invested in a substantial headset with dual earphones and noise 
cancelling microphone.  You can use the standard headset that is shipped 
with it and see how it goes.  I may go Blue Tooth next time.

The recognition will only work for one person's voice, on a specific 
soundcard and a specific microphone.  If you change any of these, you have 
to retrain the SW to recognize it.

You can even teach it commands where it remembers key strokes.  So, I 
trained it with "Com Close" (where Com = the nonsense name I use for 
"command" and "close" to close the e-mail and send.  "Com Open" will open 
a new e-mail and "Com Reply" will reply to the current e-mail open.  You 
can even teach it commands that respond to Windows Commands.  If you say 
"Click File", it will point and click on the first "File" button it finds.

Productivity: I can speak at least 2 to 10 times faster than I can type. 
(I type about 80-90 words per minute).

Limitations: You CANNOT use this in an area where you can't get rid of the 
background noise.  You could try Noise cancelling headsets, but I wouldn't 
even attempt it on a manufacturing floor.

I set up my friend who is a doctor and he has completely cancelled the 
contract with his dictation service.  He used the medical dictionary 
version.  The dude is a 2 finger typer - painful to watch.

Very versatile software.  Worth a try.
   Steve

   Stephen M. O'Neal
   Lab Services Sales for U2
   IBM SWG Information Management Lab Services
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