Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2
At some point, we will hopefully evolve beyond the "old = undesirable" mentality that is pervasive in our society, and once again appreciate the imagery that "old" things can evoke. As a technician with over thirty years experience, I have thoroughly enjoyed the journey I have witnessed since the days of the LP Player...to the iPod of today. What we largely lack today is a sense of history relative to what it has taken for us to progress to this point...and the imagination to achieve even more phenomenal accomplishments in the future. Where once our thoughts were expansive and limitless, they are now reserved and pedestrian. If someone with a sense of history and a determination to use "Rocket" as a means to evoke the imagery of a time when we thought in grander scales...then they were sadly mistaken. The company should seriously consider changing its name, otherwise they will be the butt of many a jokes. My two cents Rob -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of inquieti Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:03 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2 is now Rocket U2 IBM is very sixties also. Have you ever been to the Apollo space centre? All the computers were IBM and the IBM logo is splashed all around the control room. So I think if you're thinking retro then IBM sits there right along side Sputnik et al. Jacques G. wrote: > > I wonder what is the marketing idea behind the name "Rocket" ? To me it > invokes late 1950 - 1960's Sputnik/Apollo technology to an epoch when cars > designs were made to look like rockets, when there was a hockey player > nicknamed "Maurice The Rocket Richard" and people watched "Flash Gordon" > on a black and white television. > > When I hear Rocket I think "retro" like a LP Player, a typewriter, a > PDP-1. > > Wouldn't one want a software product to sound more state of the art ? > > Sci-fi hasn't used the term "Rocketship" in decades. > > > Jacques > > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/U2-is-now-Rocket-U2-tp25693358p25817827.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Unidata and Win2k3
Good Afternoon, We are presently in the process of trying to evaluate whether or not it would be in our best interests to locate a portion of our software infrastructure on a separate server and I wondered if anyone on this listserv has ever done anything similar. We are preparing to move to our vendors newest software version - Release 18 - and are concerned that the potential load on our existing server might be problematic. Our existing production server is also going to be Release 18's new home. We're creating the new environment and maintaining the existing production environment, at the same time...on the same box. Initially, we had the option of moving our present Release 17 environment to either a combined (both app and database on the same server) or distributed (not supported after 8/8/2007) configuration. From the beginning, we planned to be a combined environment. As other users have gone LIVE with a combined environment, we've started to notice that some (a few) were having load issues. This is a condition we **really** want to avoid. After we created a test environment, we decided to pound on it to see what kind of results we would get. Unfortunately, a few times we bought the server to a virtual standstill (this was done during the summer so our normal load was rather light). Through discussions with the vendor, a recommendation started to evolve where the portion of the infrastructure that is used to handle communications with the database, be moved to a separate server. This communications server would be "hard wired" (IP to IP) to our database/app server and would handle all traffic between the app/web and the database. The thinking is that by off-loading the overhead associated with the app/web accessing the database onto a separate box, our performance will improve. We've created a test communications server and are in the process of setting it up on our network. After further discussions today with the vendor, we're still not sure what type of results to expect. But mention was made that Unidata is resource hungry (especially on Windows), and would probably benefit from this off-loading. I have found over my many years in IT that, although I may think the issue I am facing is completely unique, this is rarely the case. Has anyone on the listserv ever had to off-load an aspect of their infrastructure onto a separate server in order to accommodate any resource issues between their app/web and Unidata (on Windows)? Even if you've not had to do this, are there any recommendations in light of the scenario I've painted above? Thanks in advance, Rob Smith --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] RE: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures
From: Smith, Robert Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:37 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures Good Morning, We are a UNIDATA shop and presently we are struggling with identifying the best way to increase the performance level of our environment. We presently are running UD on a Windows Enterprise server (SP2) with 16gig of ram and 8 - 3gig processors. We have read through some MS Knowledge Base articles that suggest a possible performance increase if we use the /PAE and /3GB boot.ini switches. We were wondering whether anyone has deployed these settings before and if there were any problems that resulted...with either the OS or database. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding ways to increase UD performance levels in a Win2k3 environment? Thanks in advance, Rob Smith Philadelphia University --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures
Hi Jeff, We have since come to realize that the /3gig switch is not for us. What we are trying to do is be proactive to hopefully avoid a problem situation. Late last year we were forced to move to the latest version of the vendor software we use. Under the previous version, our registration process ran like a charm. It took a while for us to get to that plateau but once we had achieved it...life was good. This new software has a number of challenges that we've been able to address however, this coming month will be the first time we've used it for student registration. We only recently realized that because we are a Win2k3 32bit client that is *not* using SQL Server, we really can't take advantage of some of the advanced memory options available. Because of the way Windows manages memory, we effectively only have control of memory in the <4gig window. And to make matters worse, said 4gig window is sub-divided between user and kernel activities. So after monitoring system activities using RRDTOOL over a period of time, we realized that everything we are doing on the app server is crammed into <2.5gig...this is a 16gig box. We discovered that if our vendors' software had made use of the AWE API that allows for better memory management, we would be in a better position...but they don't and we're not. We have run registration simulations and have discovered approximately when registration will crash...but we doubt (and hope) we will ever reach that level of activity. You mentioned UD settings below. Would you mind sharing yours with us? Thanks, Rob Smith Philadelphia University -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] RE: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures All the /3gig switch does for you is allow more memory to be available. You would still need to make settings in Unidata to take advantage of the additional memory. Unless I'm getting the /3gig switch confused with the SQL settings. I'd also start with turning off hyper threading on the processors if you're using that just to see if it helps. Although I'm not sure if 7.1 has these kinds of problems or not. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Robert Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:51 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] RE: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures From: Smith, Robert Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:37 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures Good Morning, We are a UNIDATA shop and presently we are struggling with identifying the best way to increase the performance level of our environment. We presently are running UD on a Windows Enterprise server (SP2) with 16gig of ram and 8 - 3gig processors. We have read through some MS Knowledge Base articles that suggest a possible performance increase if we use the /PAE and /3GB boot.ini switches. We were wondering whether anyone has deployed these settings before and if there were any problems that resulted...with either the OS or database. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding ways to increase UD performance levels in a Win2k3 environment? Thanks in advance, Rob Smith Philadelphia University --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ Disclaimer: This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. It is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email or telephone and destroy all copies of the original message. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures
Good Morning John, Our Network Manager asked why you recommended removing the anti-virus software vs. disabling them. Could/would you please share your rationale for making that recommendation? The feedback I am getting as a result of this posting has been incredibly helpful. Rob Smith Philadelphia University -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Jenkins Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:29 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] RE: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures Ibd start by looking for specific bottlenecks. Itbs too easy to see one of the system constraints and assume that's your bottleneck (been there). Run some mete As others have said, see a specific bottleneck first then take it from there. Some suggestions on things to look at in Windows and hardware - I'm assuming all the usual has been done inside UniData itself. __ Anti-Virus software killing you? REMOVE it first for the avoidance of doubt - then decide. Donbt just reconfigure or disable - REMOVE. Tweak afterwards - know whether itbs worth tweaking first. Paging (yes/no/how much)? Disk performance *read *write *wait I/O Are you using RAID? Should be 0+1, try and avoid RAID 5 Use hardware RAID not software Turn off read-ahead, optimise for random, not sequential Steps vary for different SANS (Hitachi / Veritas / Shark etc). If using an external SAN: * has the memory battery failed? (turns off write caching - a killer) Put paging space on a separate disk, and UniData TMP also. * Do you have remote mirroring on the SAM turned on (requiring remote commit on writes can be a killer). _ If 3Gb is does turn out to be an issue consider Unix, much better memory management. Linux on your x86 platform seems the logical move (same hardware). You also get better CPU resource usage on Unix then Windows. Memory could be a bottleneck for you, but Ibd be surprised. The usual memory related issues I see on Windows (or Unix come to that) are due to file import/export programs READING and WRITING truly enormous text files from the O/S file structures. READSEQ and WRITESEQ are the cure there/ Regards JayJay ____ From: Smith, Robert Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:37 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: UNIDATA 7.1 performance measures Good Morning, We are a UNIDATA shop and presently we are struggling with identifying the best way to increase the performance level of our environment. We presently are running UD on a Windows Enterprise server (SP2) with 16gig of ram and 8 - 3gig processors. We have read through some MS Knowledge Base articles that suggest a possible performance increase if we use the /PAE and /3GB boot.ini switches. We were wondering whether anyone has deployed these settings before and if there were any problems that resulted...with either the OS or database. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding ways to increase UD performance levels in a Win2k3 environment? Thanks in advance, Rob Smith Philadelphia University --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Unidata Training
Good Morning, Does anyone have an idea how I could get my hands onto a copy of the book mentioned below? I've been searching around and I cannot seem to hit upon the right place/web site. It's been out of print so long that it appears as if you can't buy it anymore...has anyone else found that to be the case? Thanks in advance, Rob Smith Philadelphia University -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:07 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training 1. The IBM tech manuals are good. 2. For programming in UniBasic, the book by Malcolm Bull, "The Pick Programming Language" is... gold. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Duffin, Gregory J Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training Dave, I'm located in Erie, PA Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Training Greg, Where are you located? Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. Authorized IBM Business Partner 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: "Duffin, Gregory J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: [U2] Unidata Training > Can anyone suggest a company that provides Unidata training, besides > IBM? I have tried to get training several times through IBM but they > keep canceling the class due to low attendance. > > Any books that can be recommended would be helpful also. > > > > Thank You > Greg > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Unidata Training
Hi Eric, Thanks for the info! Unfortunately all I saw for .38 was a book on the PICK OS...not programming. There was an entry on Amazon for the programming book however, they didn't have any. Regards, Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Armstrong Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training I just bought a copy on Amazon.com for $.38 (I googled "Malcolm Bull"). That's right 38 cents! There are 5 left at various prices. Eric -Original Message- From: Smith, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:18 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training Good Morning, Does anyone have an idea how I could get my hands onto a copy of the book mentioned below? I've been searching around and I cannot seem to hit upon the right place/web site. It's been out of print so long that it appears as if you can't buy it anymore...has anyone else found that to be the case? Thanks in advance, Rob Smith Philadelphia University -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:07 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training 1. The IBM tech manuals are good. 2. For programming in UniBasic, the book by Malcolm Bull, "The Pick Programming Language" is... gold. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Duffin, Gregory J Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training Dave, I'm located in Erie, PA Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Training Greg, Where are you located? Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. Authorized IBM Business Partner 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: "Duffin, Gregory J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: [U2] Unidata Training > Can anyone suggest a company that provides Unidata training, besides > IBM? I have tried to get training several times through IBM but they > keep canceling the class due to low attendance. > > Any books that can be recommended would be helpful also. > > > > Thank You > Greg > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Unidata Training
Hi Eric, I really appreciated the effort! And it did point me to a book that I should check-out. This just opens an old wound for me regarding U2 information. I've read similar discussions on this listserv in the past. My purpose for asking my question was not to rehash the subject. I just didn't remember this particular book being mentioned before and when I went looking for it, I couldn't find any available copies. And to hear it referenced in such high praise made me want to get a copy to check it out myself. Thanks again, Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Armstrong Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training Rob, I assumed they were the same. Maybe I was wrong! Eric -Original Message----- From: Smith, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training Hi Eric, Thanks for the info! Unfortunately all I saw for .38 was a book on the PICK OS...not programming. There was an entry on Amazon for the programming book however, they didn't have any. Regards, Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Armstrong Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training I just bought a copy on Amazon.com for $.38 (I googled "Malcolm Bull"). That's right 38 cents! There are 5 left at various prices. Eric -----Original Message- From: Smith, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:18 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training Good Morning, Does anyone have an idea how I could get my hands onto a copy of the book mentioned below? I've been searching around and I cannot seem to hit upon the right place/web site. It's been out of print so long that it appears as if you can't buy it anymore...has anyone else found that to be the case? Thanks in advance, Rob Smith Philadelphia University -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brutzman, Bill Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:07 PM To: 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org' Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training 1. The IBM tech manuals are good. 2. For programming in UniBasic, the book by Malcolm Bull, "The Pick Programming Language" is... gold. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Duffin, Gregory J Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:12 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Unidata Training Dave, I'm located in Erie, PA Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:27 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata Training Greg, Where are you located? Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. Authorized IBM Business Partner 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: "Duffin, Gregory J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: [U2] Unidata Training > Can anyone suggest a company that provides Unidata training, besides > IBM? I have tried to get training several times through IBM but they > keep canceling the class due to low attendance. > > Any books that can be recommended would be helpful also. > > > > Thank You > Greg > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ LOBEL FINANCIAL PRIVACY NOTICE: This communication may contain confidential company information that is protected by federal law. Federal regulations prohibit the disclosure (or re-disclosure) of confidential information without the written consent of the person(s) to whom it pertains. Additionally, the views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http
RE: [U2] Unidata File Corruption
Hi Jeff, This suggestion is completely devoid of logic, but do you think that something like Cedarville Download could be used to extract the records from the file? The standard UD utilities seem to have a problem...maybe CD will work? Then, depending upon the file, create ELF records from the downloaded data and import it into a **new** version of the old file? For what its worth and good luck, Rob -Original Message- From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Butera Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:47 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Unidata File Corruption Unidat a 7.1.8 on Solaris 9. I have a file that was mistakenly interrupted during a memresize. Now I if I try LIST, SELECT or guide I get: File size(16908288) is < minimum hash file size, blocksize(8192) * (modulo(5147) + 1). TEMP is not a UniData data file TM failed to open file 'TEMP'. I assume at this point I'm SOL. Anyone have other ideas? I have backups and only appear to have 31 records added since the backup was created, but any insight as to how I might recover data would be appreciated. Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Administrative Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 "Dad, you're talking in grown-up and need to stop." Catherine Butera --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance
Good Morning, I really enjoyed reading this thread. I can honestly say that the diversity of experiences and people who comprise this listserv is amazing. And I've found the shared knowledge to be invaluable. As one who has not been immersed in the U2 environment for an extended period of time, there is one item that serves as a continued source of frustration. And it's exactly what Phil mentions below...sparse documentation. Not only for new stuff, but also for what I consider to be "general items". More than once I have had a problem and through research, found that a PDF containing possibly pertinent information could be obtained from the IBM web site. Knowing it was there did me absolutely no good at all. Because my connection to the U2 world is through our software vendor, IBM has consistently refused to acknowledge/honor any request that I've made for information. And based upon the feedback I have gotten at times from the vendors support center, they (the support center) has a equ! ally difficult time extracting U2 information from IBM. And it's not like there are selves full of books on U2 that I could turn to for research...at least not that I've seen. I can go to any major book store and find two or three selves of books on MS SQL and NONE on U2. This was particularly frustrating when I was first getting started with U2 four years ago. "How could there be no books?" Regardless of the bookstores I've visited over the years, the results has always been the same. I have since learned that, outside of spending thousands of dollars to go to vendor sponsored "training" classes (and receiving their training books), the best way to learn about things in this environment is through the listservs...word of mouth...trial and error. For one who has spent a considerable amount of time (with past systems I've supported) over the years plowing through technical manuals learning the nuances of how to best work with a product, being denied that information is very ! frustrating. The only consolation are listserves such as this one. The U2 industry is ill served by what I perceive to be an informational void relative to the product. And the tragedy is that this is a really good family of products. Very worthy of recognition along with the other major players in the RDBMS arena. Something should be done to free up this log-jam. And the first thing that would be really helpful is if IBM allowed both their direct customers AND the clients of those customers (such as myself), direct access to all aspects of the critical information contained upon their web site. Maybe then people will start writing books about U2. My two cents, Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of phil walker Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance Nick, Here, here to your following statements To me, this is part of the problem that we have in the MV world. We look at how things are being done elsewhere and say, "Pick does it better, we aren't going to do that." The problem with this approach is that everyone else is adopting these standards and using them. We are going to be left further behind if we don't start using some of the technologies available to us. . And this is where this list breaks down in that a lot of the new features IBM are building into the product are not used/discussed and the documentation is VERY, VERY sparse. So people like myself and a few others are left to trial and error techniques to implement these new technologies because we HAVE to talk to the outside world and people expect some sort of standard method to do this. Because of this approach we take a lot longer to do something which I am sure is reasonably easy if one was to have good quality examples available like most other dbms/development environments have on the web Phil (my 2c) Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance I do understand the advantages to that approach, Nick. But that was also the thinking of those who prepared the current industry benchmarks by locking in on SQL. My concern was that if you specify technologies, you can make it difficult for solutions that are outside the box. --dawn On 7/16/07, Nick Cipollina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the consumer of this data is going to be external, then I would > definitely use web services. Using a standard format (SOAP) will make > it possible for anyone to consume the data. > > Thanks, > > Nick Cipollina > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:58 PM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject
RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance
Charles, I think there may be a larger potential audience than Tim is aware of. I believe some topical areas may sell faster than others. And all together, the total volume eventually sold of U2 books will not reach one-sixty-fourth the level of the pending Harry Potter book. Still, I predict that a fair number of U2 books could be sold. I've seen books for just about every other subject under the sun being published recently...some about total nonsense. Books that reach general circulation. The U2 environment is a thriving entity, with world wide scope, with many incredibly intelligent practitioners, whose engines (Universe and Unidata) are marketed by one of the largest IT firms in the world. Why can't one or two of these new books be U2 related? It would be nice to supplement any training that a new employee receives, with books related to the U2 environment. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:58 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance Robert, There is a firmly held belief that if books were available, that we, as a group, are too cheap to buy them. Clif Oliver (who ran this list for 9 years) used to edit a Pick series of O'Reilly. When I contacted Tim O'Reilly about a year ago, proposing new MV books, he said that he'd love to, but he can't afford to lose that kind of money. If you want books, we need to commit to publishers. I'm sure Brian would be willing to put up a sign-up sheet on U2UG.org, so we can submit a list of people who promise to buy at least one copy if a publisher will print a new book. I think a pre-order of 1K copies would get us some traction. Are we willing to spend $15 to $50 a piece for a new U2 book? I don't think they'll have trouble finding willing writers. -- Charles Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Consulting (718) 762-3884x1 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
