Re: Productivity metrics
- Original Message - From: Bruce Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Productivity metrics Back in the days of yore, we calculated similar jobs at an overall rate of 2/5ths VM (Pick in those days) involvement to normal (then-)mainstream COBOL 4GL development. (I use the quotes advisedly! g). Which'd put MV Basic at at about 35 LOC/FP. Interestingly that's not far off the score I arrived at by gut feel. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Productivity metrics
Goo'day, Bob, You want to feel my gut? That's extra! ~8^)) At 16:36 15/04/04, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Bruce Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Productivity metrics Back in the days of yore, we calculated similar jobs at an overall rate of 2/5ths VM (Pick in those days) involvement to normal (then-)mainstream COBOL 4GL development. (I use the quotes advisedly! g). Which'd put MV Basic at at about 35 LOC/FP. Interestingly that's not far off the score I arrived at by gut feel. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.8.2 - Release Date: 15/04/04 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.8.2 - Release Date: 15/04/04 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re:UV to Text Conversion Standard?
Hi All, What about using ODBC with UniVerse ? You can use the UniVerse ODBC Driver to pull the data from UniVerse to Excel, using correct dictionaries UniVerse will normalise the data and sort out the VM and SVM for you. Or how about using the UniVerse OLEDB driver ? Or how about using UniVerse as the client and Excel as the server with BCI ? Or how about using XML with new DOMAPI in 10.1 ? Just thought I'd remind people of some the newer technology's rather than sequential files. Thanks, Jonathan Smith IBM Certified Solutions Expert Advanced Support Engineer - U2 Advanced Technical Support IBM Data Management Solutions Support Phone 0800 773 771 Support Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support - Open, Query, Update, Search - Online! DISCLAIMER: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please delete it and notify the sender immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Productivity metrics
Ah, yes...one of those reguar ...let's go around in circles and chase our tails debates...again! ;-) It must be Friday! Regards, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Dubery Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 3:43 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: Productivity metrics It is complex topic and more than a bit off-topic for this forum...also a very very dry subject. *Yawn* ;-) I'm not wanting to discuss the actual metric. We're having the regular debate about should we keep going with UV and if not what should we consider. One of the strengths of MV platforms has always been that they allow programmers to develop quickly. I'm hoping to be able to quantify that rather than give management the benefit of a gut feel. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The future of U2
U2 TO DB2 --- Best thing to Happen. Hopefully IBM will start integrating all IBM DB's into Flagship RDBMS UDB. Joe Eugene BOY! OH! BOY!This lad sure is a flamethrower. Wotsa matta boy, you have a bad childhood? Someone drown yer puppy? Wet the bed last night? You really got it bad. Why don't you let us all play in our sandpit, an' you go play in yer's... Yer cess pool, that is! -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
*** END OF THREAD *** Oh, dear, Mr Oliver - havent you learnt yet... Put it in the subject line, dear boy! RE: The future of U2
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clif Oliver Sent: 15 April 2004 03:10 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of U2 *** END OF THREAD *** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER (That means *anyone* not just the poster of the message used for the Moderator reply) On Apr 14, 2004, at 13:39, Tom Firl wrote: U2 TO DB2 --- Best thing to Happen. H... I don't think I'll touch that one other than to say that only time will tell. Tom Firl Columbia Ultimate -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2)
With Database decoupling, the U2 platform basically becomes an application server. What would be REALLY cool, is if the U2 application server provided the same functionality as Tomcat, for example. This would allow Http requests to be sent to the U2 server for a response. Allow it to act as a Soap server, etc. etc. etc. Without this ability, I see no reason why anyone would commence new application development on the U2 platform. Since you will always require another application server (Websphere, Tomcat, Bea, Jboss, etc.) to talk to the U2 server, that would in-turn interact with the database. Now, I know IBM are not going to start re-inventing the wheel. I believe this could be fairly easily accomplished (who am I kidding) by embedding some lite form of webSphere in the U2 environment. Or creating a U2 pluggin for webSphere. Just a thought.. Mark. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: RedBack from .net
Graham There is a white paper on U2 .Net on the IBM U2 web page. This had some references on how to use Redback with .Net Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dacono Holdings Pty Ltd Business Technology Consulting PO Box 909 Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia Ph 61 2 9418 8329 Fax 61 2 9427 2371 www.dacono.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 5:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RedBack from .net Tony RedBack 4.1 is not compliant with .net I have had limited success, see sample code : Dim oRead As New REDPAGESLib.RedObject Try oRead.Open2(ACCOUNT, MODULE:OBJECT) oRead.Property(PROPERTY).Value = oRead.CallMethod(METHOD) Catch Dim theErr = Err.Description End Try Dim b = oRead.Property(PROPERTY).Value New version of RedBack out end of this month which is compliant with .net Regards Graham Can anyone share any experience they've had calling a RedBack RBO from .NET? I've tried the following methods: 1. OleDbConnection to the RedPages OLE DB Provider: results in an error when trying to call the RBO's .Create() method. 2. ADODB Connection (via COM Interop) to the RedPages OLE DB Provider: retrieves the schema (all the property names), but no data, and does not return any error messages. 3. RedObject (via COM Interop to RedPages.dll): I can't set any property values for method calls, so this doesn't work at all. Does anyone have any other ideas? Any help would be greatly appreciated. This email may contain information which is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please notify the sender immediately and delete it without reading, copying, storing, forwarding or disclosing its contents to any other person Thank you Check us out at http://www.btsyntegra.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
re: UV to Text Conversion Standard?
Thanks to all that replied to my posting. I read a few replies suggesting that I use XML and not fixed length. As I stated in my original note, fixed length was a requirement. I guess I should have supplied more information. Part of my company was recently sold. The buying company has asked that I send them data associated with the business that they bought. Their requirement is that the data sent to them be importable into an Excel Spreadsheet. Personally I don't think it will ever be part of a spreadsheet. I think the approach they are taking is that if it can go into a spread sheet, they can import it into almost anything. As for the data, my source file is variable length. I plan on parsing through it, capturing the longest field lengths and letting the captured length determine what the fixed length of the data items will be. One row in my output file will be the equivalent of a record in my source file. The row will contain all of the source fields from one record, formatted into a fixed length (left justified, space filled), concatenated together. As long as I tell the recipients of the data , what the data lengths are, they should not have a problem putting the data into column format. I had though that the PC would choke on the UV delimiters but thanks to a couple of posts, I tested it out and Excel can handle VMs SVMs and TMs, so other than stripping out garbage characters, I think I am all set. Will - your posting mentioned CONVERT(VM,|, mydata) - my version of UV does not seem to like that. Thanks to everyone that took the time to read my note. To all the people that e-mailed me privately, offering to sell me products to do this - thanks but I will only be doing this once. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UV to Text Conversion Standard? I am hopeful someone can offer me some guidance. I have to move data off of my Universe system and send it to a PC for inclusion in a Excel Spreadsheet. Some background: Source data is alpha/ numeric and contains VM's, SVMs and TM Source data fields are variable lengths Requirements: Output must be fixed length Output must be importable into Excel (column definitions will be based on a fixed length map) My problem: I think Excel will choke on VMs, SVMs and TM characters. Is there a standard , ASCII character that I should use to represent them? To further complicate things, sone of the fields represent data that was input with little (or no restrictions), ie. any character on the keyboard was considered valid. Thanks Jim -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Jbase handles multivalue on RDBMS
Reality will allow you to store the data on Oracle etc. Eugene - Original Message - From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:04 AM Subject: RE: Jbase handles multivalue on RDBMS Do you know if there is a flavor of the type-it-in multivalue query language (e.g. UniQuery) that can be executed against data stored in Oracle, DB2, SQL Server, etc? I know that DataBASIC can be with jBASE and ONGroup, for example. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of djordan Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:27 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: Jbase handles multivalue on RDBMS Hi Steve Just to correct you, jbase does not require you to move to 1NF files to run on an RDBMS. Jbase will port multi dimensional data across to an RDBMS and automatically handle the conversion to multiple tables invisible to the application. The issue is in the quality of the dictionary, like lengths and data types that RDBMS do not handle breaking the rules. Jbase does handle a lot of these issues and I would assume IBM will incorporate that in U2. Also in such an environment you would not move all your files over to an RDBMS, it would make sense to leave work files and control files in Universe which are usualy the worst offenders. If you wish to make your application portable in a future environment like this, look at SQLising your files including multivalues and starting cleaning your data as this will be your biggest issue, not multivalues. Just another point, jbase does the same for Cache, which is another multi-dimensional database, although not PICK. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Mayo Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 4:01 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The future of U2 The way that jBase handles the problem is by requiring the database be flattened out (i.e., no multivalues) and strict data typing. This is of course the standard with 1NF databases. Unfortunately for most of us, it means a complete redesign of the existing mv database structure. Over the past several years, all new systems that I have developed have used 1NF. Still most of the data still uses multivalues and would take years to convert. :-) Steve -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UV to Text Conversion Standard?
In UV the CONVERT command is CONVERT VM TO | IN mydata Or to make it really usable for EXCEL CONVERT VM TO CHAR(9) IN mydata which changes VM to TAB and EXCEL can read it directly. Rainer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 23:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: re: UV to Text Conversion Standard? SNIP... Will - your posting mentioned CONVERT(VM,|, mydata) - my version of UV does not seem to like that. SNIP... -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Productivity metrics
Do the metrics take the impact of tools into account ? Some of the examples I've looked at seem to include all lines of code produced from an environment like Delphi or VB, even though 80% of this code is produced from the IDE. I'm sure the same would be true of tools like SB+, and certainly with our Viságe product, though in both cases this would be offset to a degree by the effort involved in smartening up dictionaries Many of the things that historically required hard code can now be reduced to parameter settings for an object - how do you measure this ? Or the flow through effect of changing an output conversion from, say, D2/ to D4/, in an active dictionary environment. The productivity impact is obvious - but how do you quantify that sort of gain ? especially when it may be tempered by the fact that other parts of an organization/system may still be using old fashioned, hand crafted PickBasic ? (I don't really want/need an answer to this, as I think the results could be skewed to show anything, and the time taken to gain the result/insight could be longer than the time taken to get the job done ?!?) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Leitner Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 11:14 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: Productivity metrics Sounds about right IMO. On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Bob Dubery wrote: Which'd put MV Basic at at about 35 LOC/FP. Interestingly that's not far off the score I arrived at by gut feel. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl The world can only be grasped by action, not by contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 --- -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modulo Separation
Have you considered dynamic files? Stu Glancy Asset Management Outsourcing, Inc. Senior Analyst/DBA 770-792-3907 Hi all! We have HP unix: 1) HP-UX l1000 B.11.00 U 9000/800 534706547 unlimited-user license 2) UniVerse: RELLEVEL 001 X 002 9.5.2.6 003 INFORMATION 004 INFORMATION.FORMAT 005 9.5.2.6.r8 3) GLOBUS banking system G12.2.06 - There are some files which are greater 300 Mb and which are still growing... We use separation = 8 (the best separation for HP-UX) or = 16 if records are greater than 4000 bytes. If records are less than 4000 it's no problem to use RESIZE operator but in the case they are greater than 4000 RESIZE takes more than 3 hours. How to make RESIZE work faster? - Which is the best way to count modulo separation? Thanks in advance. Dmitry Zhirov INTERPROMBANK Moscow òâä -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Jbase handles multivalue on RDBMS
I use Query Analyzer (a lot) as a TCL-like tool against MSSS, if that's what you're asking. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:04 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Jbase handles multivalue on RDBMS Do you know if there is a flavor of the type-it-in multivalue query language (e.g. UniQuery) that can be executed against data stored in Oracle, DB2, SQL Server, etc? I know that DataBASIC can be with jBASE and ONGroup, for example. --dawn -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture?
ok. I'm trying to document one of our applications. It uses the web browser as the front end. One of the pages is longer than the window. Anyone know of any utilities that will allow me to convert this into an image? I tried capturing top, capturing bottom, and combining them in PCPaint, but I lost alot of quality. So, now I'm on a trek to find an application to capture the entire window as one long image. Thanks George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - An innovative information, education and management company http://www.slackinc.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture?
can you save the page from the web browser ? then open it in an application like MSWord and decrease zoom until it fits to the screen? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:31 AM To: Ardent List Subject: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? ok. I'm trying to document one of our applications. It uses the web browser as the front end. One of the pages is longer than the window. Anyone know of any utilities that will allow me to convert this into an image? I tried capturing top, capturing bottom, and combining them in PCPaint, but I lost alot of quality. So, now I'm on a trek to find an application to capture the entire window as one long image. Thanks George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - An innovative information, education and management company http://www.slackinc.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: *** END OF THREAD *** Oh, dear, Mr Oliver - havent you learnt yet... Put it in the subject line, dear boy! RE: The future of U2
laughing Apparently not. Sorry! -- Regards, Clif On Apr 15, 2004, at 2:42, Dennis Bartlett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clif Oliver Sent: 15 April 2004 03:10 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of U2 *** END OF THREAD *** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER (That means *anyone* not just the poster of the message used for the Moderator reply) On Apr 14, 2004, at 13:39, Tom Firl wrote: U2 TO DB2 --- Best thing to Happen. H... I don't think I'll touch that one other than to say that only time will tell. Tom Firl Columbia Ultimate -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture?
You could try using a better paint program ;-) Paint Shop Pro comes to mind. It's got all the feature of high end programs like Photoshop, but it's under $100 Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services http://www.wcs-corp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:31 AM To: Ardent List Subject: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? ok. I'm trying to document one of our applications. It uses the web browser as the front end. One of the pages is longer than the window. Anyone know of any utilities that will allow me to convert this into an image? I tried capturing top, capturing bottom, and combining them in PCPaint, but I lost alot of quality. So, now I'm on a trek to find an application to capture the entire window as one long image. Thanks George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - An innovative information, education and management company http://www.slackinc.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture?
Even better is a program called GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) that's open source and free. I've used it on Linux, but it's also got binaries for running on Windows as well. It's almost as full featured as Photo Shop. You can find out more information and download it here: http://www.gimp.org/index.html -Original Message- From: Larry Hiscock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:53 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? You could try using a better paint program ;-) Paint Shop Pro comes to mind. It's got all the feature of high end programs like Photoshop, but it's under $100 Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services http://www.wcs-corp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:31 AM To: Ardent List Subject: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? ok. I'm trying to document one of our applications. It uses the web browser as the front end. One of the pages is longer than the window. Anyone know of any utilities that will allow me to convert this into an image? I tried capturing top, capturing bottom, and combining them in PCPaint, but I lost alot of quality. So, now I'm on a trek to find an application to capture the entire window as one long image. Thanks George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - An innovative information, education and management company http://www.slackinc.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture?
I take it that this would be for combining the images? George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? Even better is a program called GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) that's open source and free. I've used it on Linux, but it's also got binaries for running on Windows as well. It's almost as full featured as Photo Shop. You can find out more information and download it here: http://www.gimp.org/index.html -Original Message- From: Larry Hiscock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:53 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? You could try using a better paint program ;-) Paint Shop Pro comes to mind. It's got all the feature of high end programs like Photoshop, but it's under $100 Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services http://www.wcs-corp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:31 AM To: Ardent List Subject: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? ok. I'm trying to document one of our applications. It uses the web browser as the front end. One of the pages is longer than the window. Anyone know of any utilities that will allow me to convert this into an image? I tried capturing top, capturing bottom, and combining them in PCPaint, but I lost alot of quality. So, now I'm on a trek to find an application to capture the entire window as one long image. Thanks George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - An innovative information, education and management company http://www.slackinc.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture?
Yep. Either PSP or GIMP would be for combining images. I haven't used GIMP in a while (I mostly use PSP and Photoshop), so I can't speak for it. PSP has a nice stitch feature that allows you to combine slices of an image. You can overlay the slices with the upper layer set to partial transparency so you can see through to the lower layer. It really helps with getting the images lined up straight. Wendy had a good idea, too. If you have Adobe Acrobat, just print the page from your browser to the Acrobat printer driver or the distiller. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services http://www.wcs-corp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:00 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? I take it that this would be for combining the images? George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? Even better is a program called GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program) that's open source and free. I've used it on Linux, but it's also got binaries for running on Windows as well. It's almost as full featured as Photo Shop. You can find out more information and download it here: http://www.gimp.org/index.html -Original Message- From: Larry Hiscock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:53 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? You could try using a better paint program ;-) Paint Shop Pro comes to mind. It's got all the feature of high end programs like Photoshop, but it's under $100 Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services http://www.wcs-corp.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:31 AM To: Ardent List Subject: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? ok. I'm trying to document one of our applications. It uses the web browser as the front end. One of the pages is longer than the window. Anyone know of any utilities that will allow me to convert this into an image? I tried capturing top, capturing bottom, and combining them in PCPaint, but I lost alot of quality. So, now I'm on a trek to find an application to capture the entire window as one long image. Thanks George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - An innovative information, education and management company http://www.slackinc.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Unidata 6.0 upgrade from 5.7
Will an upgrade install affect /.unishared? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/14/04 7:09:02 PM Frank Bright wrote: What are you plans? Do you plan to do an upgrade or concurrent install? We do concurrent installs and switch the pointers in our accounts to point to the new install. In the past we have had global routines that needed to be pointed to and test with the new account. Now we do local so that we do not have to update the pointers, just test a few of our routines. If you have the space to do a concurrent then try that. The old account will be there if you need something or need to go back. Yeatrakas,James wrote: We are a Unix shop using Unidata 5.7. We are being asked to upgrade to 6.0 in our LIVE system without much advanced preparation. If there is anybody who can point to anything that we should be concerned or aware of, your input is highly desired. We are scheduled to do this on 4/24 so don't have much opportunity to react. Thanks in advance! First of all, you aren't running 5.7 - it doesn't exist. You might be running 5.2.7 perhaps, but it doesn't matter really. Secondly, although there is much fear and doom being peddled in the responses here, you should fundamentally be OK. Make a copy of your (entire) current UniData installation. It may physically be in /usr/ud52, or it might be elsewhere and /usr/ud52 may be a symbolic link to that location, or you may have two directories - a main location pointed to by $UDTHOME and a minimal /usr/ud52 that got automatically created when you last did an install. Either way, what you want to do is to create a single directory somewhere containing a copy of your current $UDTHOME and anything in /usr/ud52 if that is a different location. This will include your current global catalog space in $UDTHOME/sys/CTLG. LEAVE YOUR current copy of UniData alone except to make this copy. Load the 6.0 binaries off the CD into the bin of the copy you have just created and do an upgrade install of that copy. That will leave you two concurrent UniData installations, both containing any globally cataloged programs and other customisations you've made. You should be able to run both at once in order to do your testing (don't access the same data files at the same time from different versions though!). Since you won't have changed ANYTHING in your current UniData installation, you always have that as a fallback if something goes wrong when you try to use the new version. Ideally, you will need a window of an hour or so with no users on the system while you do the upgrade install (updatesys) because it will try to shut down UniData 5.2 for you might not quite get it right if you've had to change UDTHOME beforehand. Better to kick folk off, shutdown the real 5.2, switch UDTHOME/UDTBIN to point to the copy and then do your updatesys, switch UDTHOME back and restart the original 5.2 to go with the 6.0 which updatesys will have started. You might be able to get away without even this hour, but ... Cheers, Ken -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? [solved]
http://www.innermedia.com/cc/index.htm As long as the page doesn't have forms. Cost is $149, not too bad. But they do have a free 20 use evaluation period. George -Original Message- From: Larry Hiscock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:05 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? Yep. Either PSP or GIMP would be for combining images. I haven't used GIMP in a while (I mostly use PSP and Photoshop), so I can't speak for it. PSP has a nice stitch feature that allows you to combine slices of an image. You can overlay the slices with the upper layer set to partial transparency so you can see through to the lower layer. It really helps with getting the images lined up straight. Wendy had a good idea, too. If you have Adobe Acrobat, just print the page from your browser to the Acrobat printer driver or the distiller. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services http://www.wcs-corp.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? [solved]
oops. meant as long as the page doesn't have FRAMES, it can have forms. -Original Message- From: George Gallen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:47 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? [solved] http://www.innermedia.com/cc/index.htm As long as the page doesn't have forms. Cost is $149, not too bad. But they do have a free 20 use evaluation period. George -Original Message- From: Larry Hiscock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:05 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [OT] Complete Browser Window Image Capture? Yep. Either PSP or GIMP would be for combining images. I haven't used GIMP in a while (I mostly use PSP and Photoshop), so I can't speak for it. PSP has a nice stitch feature that allows you to combine slices of an image. You can overlay the slices with the upper layer set to partial transparency so you can see through to the lower layer. It really helps with getting the images lined up straight. Wendy had a good idea, too. If you have Adobe Acrobat, just print the page from your browser to the Acrobat printer driver or the distiller. Larry Hiscock Western Computer Services http://www.wcs-corp.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Unidata 6.0 upgrade from 5.7
Ken has defined the steps very well so there is no need to repeat them here. I will just chime in that this was almost too easy. I moved from 5.2.X to 6.0.8 in a very short time and without any problems. I just decided to upgrade one day when I was bored and then about an hour later done. Usually, the biggest issue you may face is if you forget to change absolute paths (if you load into something like /ud/udxx where xx is the version). You shouldn't really have any absolute paths to begin with, but, I'm never surprised to see them pop up (even after I get rid of them). Use PATHSUB to make these changes, but, be careful to not make a mistake. Regards, Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Wallis Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 8:09 PM Yeatrakas,James wrote: We are a Unix shop using Unidata 5.7. We are being asked to upgrade to 6.0 in our LIVE system without much advanced preparation. If there is anybody who can point to anything that we should be concerned or aware of, your input is highly desired. We are scheduled to do this on 4/24 so don't have much opportunity to react. Thanks in advance! -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modulo Separation
You could purchase a 2Gb ram disk, then do a RESIZE USING /ramdisk. Make it the UniVerse TEMP space, and other things will speed up, too. It's interesting that you're on UniVerse, since Temenos (developers of Globus) owns jbase. Our greatest duty in this life is to help others. And please, if you can't help them, could you at least not hurt them? - H.H. the Dalai Lama When buying selling are controlled by legislation, the first thing to be bought sold are the legislators - P.J. O'Rourke Dan Fitzgerald From: Dmitry Zhirov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Modulo Separation Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:08:14 +0400 Hi all! We have HP unix: 1) HP-UX l1000 B.11.00 U 9000/800 534706547 unlimited-user license 2) UniVerse: RELLEVEL 001 X 002 9.5.2.6 003 INFORMATION 004 INFORMATION.FORMAT 005 9.5.2.6.r8 3) GLOBUS banking system G12.2.06 - There are some files which are greater 300 Mb and which are still growing... We use separation = 8 (the best separation for HP-UX) or = 16 if records are greater than 4000 bytes. If records are less than 4000 it's no problem to use RESIZE operator but in the case they are greater than 4000 RESIZE takes more than 3 hours. How to make RESIZE work faster? - Which is the best way to count modulo separation? Thanks in advance. Dmitry Zhirov INTERPROMBANK Moscow òâä -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: u2ug.org
I believe the U2UG.org is taking over the list as of May 1st. So not to double their efforts, they removed the forums. Don Verhagen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:51:34 AM 04/15/2004 Signed up for the Universe Forum at www.u2ug.org yesterday. Today without any prior notification it has the following notice: The following Technical Support forums have been removed: UniVerse UniData Redback SB+ External Interfaces These forums have been folded into the u2-users list . Please subscribe to the u2-users list where your questions can be posted. You can subscribe http://oliver.com/main/DiscussionLists.htmlhere. What's happening? Is u2ug available or not? Thanks, Denny Watkins Director Computer Services Morningside College 1501 Morningside Ave Sioux City, Ia 51106-1717 Phone: 1-712-274-5250 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
PI Open is going away
The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement. U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are listed in the second column: PI/Open UniData RDBMS OC Workgroup Edition UniData RDBMS OC Server Edition UniData RDBMS OC Enterprise Edition UniData Server Edition OC UniServer Feature PI/Open is a legacy MultiValue database owned by IBM. For information on migrating to IBM UniVerse, please contact your sales representative. UniData RDBMS OC includes UniData versions 5.0 and below. The replacement product is UniData versions 5.1 and higher. At higher releases, UniServer functionality was included with the base product at no additional cost. Clients may obtain the replacement product at no charge if under a current maintenance contract. If not on current maintenance, maintenance reinstatement is required. In addition, effective December 31, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are listed in the second column: wIntegrate v4.x (a.k.a. wIntegrate 98) wIntegrate v5.x or later Clients may obtain the replacement product at no charge if under a current maintenance contract. If not on current maintenance, maintenance reinstatement is required. End of Marketing (EOM) means that: * License maintenance are not available for NEW clients * Licenses maintenance ARE available for existing clients * Media and binary images are no longer available Maintenance includes the ability to obtain Technical Support and to upgrade to newer versions at no cost. At this time, no End of Service date has been set. Product Lifecyle Announcements, if any, are made in April and September of each year. A minimum of three months notice is given for End of Marketing and a minimum of twelve months notice is given for End of Service. For more information, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Apr 15, 2004, at 12:10, Jerry Banker wrote: The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement. U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are listed in the second column: PI/Open -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
1 piopen (oil gas accounting) 1 information (asset management) client still running. Clifton Oliver wrote: As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
This is indeed an end of an era for those of us who worked on the development/sustaining and support of PI, PI Open/PI+ :-( Clifton Oliver wrote: As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Clif, We're using PI/Open on our HP for a subset of our accounting data. We also have a copy of PI/Open 3.2 running on an old Prime/EXL - the MIPS based box that Prime used to sell! We may even have a copy of PI/PC around somewhere. Jeff Fitzgerald Fitzgerald Long, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:08 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Apr 15, 2004, at 12:10, Jerry Banker wrote: The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement. U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are listed in the second column: PI/Open -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
1979 - 1983 at Prime, Corporate Marketing Support Center Education Center 1983 - 1986 at MADIC Manufacturing applications on Prime Information 1986 -1989 back at Prime - Conversion Reseller Suport Center, INOFMRATION and VMark UniVerse and on, and on, and on, ... Where and will will services be held? - Original Message - From: Jeff Schasny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: RE: PI Open is going away How true. I recall my days at Prime (82-84) fondly -Original Message- From: Lance J. Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:22 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away This is indeed an end of an era for those of us who worked on the development/sustaining and support of PI, PI Open/PI+ :-( -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
I was with Prime from 1980 to 1990, South-central Regional Support. Specialized in PI. Jerry - Original Message - From: Scott Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: Re: PI Open is going away 1979 - 1983 at Prime, Corporate Marketing Support Center Education Center 1983 - 1986 at MADIC Manufacturing applications on Prime Information 1986 -1989 back at Prime - Conversion Reseller Suport Center, INOFMRATION and VMark UniVerse and on, and on, and on, ... Where and will will services be held? - Original Message - From: Jeff Schasny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: RE: PI Open is going away How true. I recall my days at Prime (82-84) fondly -Original Message- From: Lance J. Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:22 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away This is indeed an end of an era for those of us who worked on the development/sustaining and support of PI, PI Open/PI+ :-( -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
PI Open is going away
I remember the Prime Information release 6 (and first official GCI) in Copenhagen - Dennis Beldotti arranging? Remember the fun !*! With !AMLC and it's handy way of writing to absolute memory addresses (gosh - and you didn't want those disk drives did you !?) Was anyone else there? - Bent Pristed was the head boy there then I thik and we were pushing out Viewbase on Primenet Memories eh? The passing of an age. Regards JayJay -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Jbase handles multivalue on RDBMS
From jbase you can run a normal retrive/UniQuery query against the Oracle, SQL Server, etc database or you can do the normal SQL. From the RDBMS side you can only do SQL. An interesting concept is the ability to call a Basic Program as a stored procedure from an RDBMS Query. Ie When doing a query against SQL Server the stored procedure is a BASIC program. This sounds possible with the next release of SQL Server combined with jbase. Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dacono Holdings Pty Ltd Business Technology Consulting PO Box 909 Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia Ph 61 2 9418 8329 Fax 61 2 9427 2371 www.dacono.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:04 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Jbase handles multivalue on RDBMS Do you know if there is a flavor of the type-it-in multivalue query language (e.g. UniQuery) that can be executed against data stored in Oracle, DB2, SQL Server, etc? I know that DataBASIC can be with jBASE and ONGroup, for example. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of djordan Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:27 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: Jbase handles multivalue on RDBMS Hi Steve Just to correct you, jbase does not require you to move to 1NF files to run on an RDBMS. Jbase will port multi dimensional data across to an RDBMS and automatically handle the conversion to multiple tables invisible to the application. The issue is in the quality of the dictionary, like lengths and data types that RDBMS do not handle breaking the rules. Jbase does handle a lot of these issues and I would assume IBM will incorporate that in U2. Also in such an environment you would not move all your files over to an RDBMS, it would make sense to leave work files and control files in Universe which are usualy the worst offenders. If you wish to make your application portable in a future environment like this, look at SQLising your files including multivalues and starting cleaning your data as this will be your biggest issue, not multivalues. Just another point, jbase does the same for Cache, which is another multi-dimensional database, although not PICK. Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Mayo Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 4:01 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The future of U2 The way that jBase handles the problem is by requiring the database be flattened out (i.e., no multivalues) and strict data typing. This is of course the standard with 1NF databases. Unfortunately for most of us, it means a complete redesign of the existing mv database structure. Over the past several years, all new systems that I have developed have used 1NF. Still most of the data still uses multivalues and would take years to convert. :-) Steve -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Wow this brings back memories!! I was with the sole distributor of Prime in South Africa from 1979 onwards looking after Primos and Prime Information - And yes I remember the I1000 / I250 / I450 (I think), I believe I remember the switches on the front panel to designate where to boot from!!! I tied with rope, one of our first Prime EXL's running PI Open to scaffolding when doing time keeping for a 3 day canoeing event in the bush!!! Worked like a Treat!!! Good Ol Prime Those where the days when you knew exactly what the user number was going to be for which port!! I also remember sitting in a van delivering a 96Mb unit, with 16mb removable pack, when the unit started to fall from the shelf and I tried to stop it - nearly crushed my legs!! Boy have things progressed!! Wish all you ol Prime fellas out their the best! They where the good old days, but the future is just as exciting!! -Original Message- From: John Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2004 10:53 a.m. To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: PI Open is going away I remember the Prime Information release 6 (and first official GCI) in Copenhagen - Dennis Beldotti arranging? Remember the fun !*! With !AMLC and it's handy way of writing to absolute memory addresses (gosh - and you didn't want those disk drives did you !?) Was anyone else there? - Bent Pristed was the head boy there then I thik and we were pushing out Viewbase on Primenet Memories eh? The passing of an age. Regards JayJay -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UV Crash on W2K3
Hi all,
I have encountered a similar error when attempting to resize a dynamic file
on our system. We are running UV 10.0.15 on W2K3 and when, as Administrator
with Full Control, I try to RESIZE {filename} * * * a dynamic file I get
this message both on screen and in the Application event log: error 1004
UniVerse error: Unhandled Exception raised at address 0x00405CF7 : Access
violation. Attempted to read from address 0x10309044. Binary data is
processor CONTEXT structure..
I suspect that these events are related as I believe RESIZE attempts to
logto the account you are in and create a temp file. I have tried
different accounts, files and server setups. I have adjusted permissions and
programs, to no avail.
Any help would be appreciated as I have run out of ideas.
Cheers
Andrew Mack
Systems Admin
HRMIS
New Zealand Defence Force
ph 64 4 2371 914
cell 64 021 626 446
From: Sara Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: UV Crash on W2K3
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:02:37 +1200
We are starting testing our application on W2K3 and getting unexplained
problems. It is proving difficult to isolate the exact cause but we are
starting to see some trends. The result is the session crashing with the
following general message in the Event Log
Universe error; Unhandled exception raised at address 0x77bd4528
Access violation Attempted to read from address 0x00d8
Binary data is processor CONTEXT structure
Sometimes the address to be read is 0x
So far we have found that it is very much less likely to occur if we do a
LOGTO DEV rather than logging on directly to DEV.
Can anyone help with information about the difference between a direct
login
and a LOGTO which may have some bearing on this.
This situation does appear to be associated with running programs from PROC
and may be influenced by the size of the program. We ran a very simple 3
line PROC and 3 line program all night without a failure.
The general mechanism used as the framework for our application involves
launching programs via PROC and using PROCREAD and PROCWRITE to pass data.
This is an example of the LAYER.STACK
There are currently 1 uniVerse sessions; 1 interactive, 0 phantom
Pid.. User name.. Port name. Last command
processed
.
252 ned telnet:252 telnet:252 runt [ get.input
@
0x2F4 ]
Layer type... Program name Address...
BASIC run machine get.input 0x02F4
BASIC run machine MAINTLNK 0x4160
BASIC run machine runt 0x0B06
Verb
Proc
Proc
Proc
Command Language
Execute
BASIC run machine CALL.ALL.FUNCTION 0x00DC
Verb
Proc
Proc
Proc
Command Language
Running only basic programs, outside this framework, does not appear to
cause a problem.
We have not managed to get any useful information from DrWatson as this
does
not seem to work for a service.
Can anyone give hints as to how to get better information for a UniVerse
session which crashes so we can pass this to IBM. We tried chaning the
MALLOCTRACING flag to 1 but cannot find any output.
We also see at times the @ACCOUNT = 0, @LOGNAME = 0 and @PATH = 00 These
have changed from the original normal values.
We have set up a completely isolated network for W2K3 so everything must be
moved to these machines the old way - floppy disk or CD-ROM. Our network
consists of a W2K3 PDC, a W2K3 member server with UniVerse 10.1 and a
XP-Pro
client. All are running on Compaq desktops 1.8GHz, 248Mb RAM
Initially we tried the Personal Edition 10.0.10 on a W2K3 PDC.
We then received the 10.1 version from IBM and tried on the W2K3 PDC
Finally we tried the 10.1 version on a W2K3 member server.
All gave the same results.
I am also posting this on the U2UG so I can view any replies over the
weekend as it is now Friday midday.
Sara Burns
Sara Burns (SEB)
Development Team Leader
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RE: UV Crash on W2K3
Hi Sarah What is the application currently running on and what version. (ie Win2000 Uv9.4?) and what flavour. In the past Loging in went through a login paragraph LOGIn. I think around release 1, the login paragraph went by the account name not LOGIN. Also with direct Login and Logto one would go to LOGIN paragraph and the other would goto the Account name Paragraph. If you are using the lOGIN paragraph to open files or set environment parameters, this may not have happened causing the fatal. Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dacono Holdings Pty Ltd Business Technology Consulting PO Box 909 Lane Cove NSW 2066 Australia Ph 61 2 9418 8329 Fax 61 2 9427 2371 www.dacono.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sara Burns Sent: Friday, 16 April 2004 10:03 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: UV Crash on W2K3 We are starting testing our application on W2K3 and getting unexplained problems. It is proving difficult to isolate the exact cause but we are starting to see some trends. The result is the session crashing with the following general message in the Event Log Universe error; Unhandled exception raised at address 0x77bd4528 Access violation Attempted to read from address 0x00d8 Binary data is processor CONTEXT structure Sometimes the address to be read is 0x So far we have found that it is very much less likely to occur if we do a LOGTO DEV rather than logging on directly to DEV. Can anyone help with information about the difference between a direct login and a LOGTO which may have some bearing on this. This situation does appear to be associated with running programs from PROC and may be influenced by the size of the program. We ran a very simple 3 line PROC and 3 line program all night without a failure. The general mechanism used as the framework for our application involves launching programs via PROC and using PROCREAD and PROCWRITE to pass data. This is an example of the LAYER.STACK There are currently 1 uniVerse sessions; 1 interactive, 0 phantom Pid.. User name.. Port name. Last command processed . 252 ned telnet:252 telnet:252 runt [ get.input @ 0x2F4 ] Layer type... Program name Address... BASIC run machine get.input 0x02F4 BASIC run machine MAINTLNK 0x4160 BASIC run machine runt 0x0B06 Verb Proc Proc Proc Command Language Execute BASIC run machine CALL.ALL.FUNCTION 0x00DC Verb Proc Proc Proc Command Language Running only basic programs, outside this framework, does not appear to cause a problem. We have not managed to get any useful information from DrWatson as this does not seem to work for a service. Can anyone give hints as to how to get better information for a UniVerse session which crashes so we can pass this to IBM. We tried chaning the MALLOCTRACING flag to 1 but cannot find any output. We also see at times the @ACCOUNT = 0, @LOGNAME = 0 and @PATH = 00 These have changed from the original normal values. We have set up a completely isolated network for W2K3 so everything must be moved to these machines the old way - floppy disk or CD-ROM. Our network consists of a W2K3 PDC, a W2K3 member server with UniVerse 10.1 and a XP-Pro client. All are running on Compaq desktops 1.8GHz, 248Mb RAM Initially we tried the Personal Edition 10.0.10 on a W2K3 PDC. We then received the 10.1 version from IBM and tried on the W2K3 PDC Finally we tried the 10.1 version on a W2K3 member server. All gave the same results. I am also posting this on the U2UG so I can view any replies over the weekend as it is now Friday midday. Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: OT - Position Vacant
hi: I write this mail in answer to you's work offer, interesaria to see the possibility me at the moment of working via mail since alive and work in Argentine Republic. It sustains east offer but of 20 years of experience in PICK/D3 - UNIVERSE/U2, like analyst-programmer and to lider of projects and with good knowledge teorics if this offers interesing , I send yours my curriculum thanks jose manuel garcia - Original Message - From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:58 AM Subject: OT - Position Vacant Hi all We are a SB+ and UniVerse site (book supplier) located in Sydney, Australia. Support and maintenance is carried out in-house by a small team and there will be a major enhancement project undertaken shortly to complete conversion of the existing system to SB+. Due to relocation by one of our team members we have a vacancy for an experienced SB+ / UniVerse person. If there is anyone who would be interested in such a position please e-mail me direct at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for further details or a discussion. Kind regards Greg -- Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Moderator : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web-site : http://www.oliver.com/lists/u2 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniVerse vs Progress Performance
I'm curious if there is a follow up on this? Is it a database tuning issue? Indexing? Memory? ... Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of André Nel Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: UniVerse vs Progress Performance Hi All Visited a neighbouring company (same line of business as ours) running 430 users on a Compaq Proliant box with SCO Openserver 5 and Progress version 9.1c as database. Application is in-house. At the time of my visit the CPU usage was constantly running at 80%. No problems being experienced with users complaining the system is slow etc. The server spec is as follows: 2x intel pentium III xeon 500Mhz processors 1.8GB RAM Smart Array 3200 controller Compaq Fast SCSI-2 controller 10x 18.2 GB Ultra SCSI-2 drives (8 drives are RAID 1, other 2 RAID 0) and 5 drives on Ultra 2 controller and 5 drives on Ultra 3 Controller 2x 10/100 Tx Ethernet controllers We are running AIX v5.1 with Maintainance Level 3 and UniVerse 10.0.7 (190 users) on a p620 box with the following specs: System Model: IBM,7025-6F1 Machine Serial Number: 6577ABA Processor Type: PowerPC_RS64-III Number Of Processors: 2 Processor Clock Speed: 602 MHz CPU Type: 64-bit Kernel Type: 32-bit LPAR Info: -1 NULL Memory Size: 4096 MB Good Memory Size: 4096 MB Paging 3072MB Firmware Version: IBM,M2P01208 Our box is struggling with the 190 users. File types are T30. All our lines are minimum 64K diginet. Comparing the 2 boxes, the amount of users on each box, any reason why we are struggling with the 190 users? The transaction volumes of the company running 430 users are considerably higher than ours? Any comments please Thanks André -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: u2ug.org
Yes, yes, you can chalk that up to us, the U2UG Board (of self-appointed volunteers) struggling with lots of work of late (including colorful and passionate discussions about forums). Given our unanticipated short-timeframe project with a need to migrate u2-users to a new platform, under new management by the end of this month, using only volunteer hardware, software, and personnel, we opted to keep the technical discussions to this u2-users list, rather than continuing discussions on the very new forums, thus retaining a single archive for folks to search, and many other reasons. The notice of the immediate removal of the technical forums was placed following discussion in our meeting yesterday and there were both technical and practical reasons for handling it that way. Apologies if the approach we took caused any problems. Feel free to chat in the other forums on u2ug.org. We're still green and in the launching phase of the U2UG organization, but stay tuned 'cause good things are happening and we'll be getting more information out to the community soon. Cheers! --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Verhagen Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: u2ug.org I believe the U2UG.org is taking over the list as of May 1st. So not to double their efforts, they removed the forums. Don Verhagen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11:51:34 AM 04/15/2004 Signed up for the Universe Forum at www.u2ug.org yesterday. Today without any prior notification it has the following notice: The following Technical Support forums have been removed: UniVerse UniData Redback SB+ External Interfaces These forums have been folded into the u2-users list . Please subscribe to the u2-users list where your questions can be posted. You can subscribe http://oliver.com/main/DiscussionLists.htmlhere. What's happening? Is u2ug available or not? Thanks, Denny Watkins Director Computer Services Morningside College 1501 Morningside Ave Sioux City, Ia 51106-1717 Phone: 1-712-274-5250 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniVerse vs Progress Performance
Probably need to see Progress running on the IBM under AIX - or UV on Intel chip with same OS to make significant comparison; even neglecting just WHAT is going on under the hood could have been 400+ users doing 'nothing' Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis Sent: Friday, 16 April 2004 1:36 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: UniVerse vs Progress Performance I'm curious if there is a follow up on this? Is it a database tuning issue? Indexing? Memory? ... Thanks. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of André Nel Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: UniVerse vs Progress Performance Hi All Visited a neighbouring company (same line of business as ours) running 430 users on a Compaq Proliant box with SCO Openserver 5 and Progress version 9.1c as database. Application is in-house. At the time of my visit the CPU usage was constantly running at 80%. No problems being experienced with users complaining the system is slow etc. The server spec is as follows: 2x intel pentium III xeon 500Mhz processors 1.8GB RAM Smart Array 3200 controller Compaq Fast SCSI-2 controller 10x 18.2 GB Ultra SCSI-2 drives (8 drives are RAID 1, other 2 RAID 0) and 5 drives on Ultra 2 controller and 5 drives on Ultra 3 Controller 2x 10/100 Tx Ethernet controllers We are running AIX v5.1 with Maintainance Level 3 and UniVerse 10.0.7 (190 users) on a p620 box with the following specs: System Model: IBM,7025-6F1 Machine Serial Number: 6577ABA Processor Type: PowerPC_RS64-III Number Of Processors: 2 Processor Clock Speed: 602 MHz CPU Type: 64-bit Kernel Type: 32-bit LPAR Info: -1 NULL Memory Size: 4096 MB Good Memory Size: 4096 MB Paging 3072MB Firmware Version: IBM,M2P01208 Our box is struggling with the 190 users. File types are T30. All our lines are minimum 64K diginet. Comparing the 2 boxes, the amount of users on each box, any reason why we are struggling with the 190 users? The transaction volumes of the company running 430 users are considerably higher than ours? Any comments please Thanks André -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
