And if it was not for Glen and Steve Buck who helped push for this
inclusion, PI might never have had this as part of the core product.
It did come to be a key piece of the product when PI+, PI/Open hit the
market as we encountered a lot of old MD, PICK shops that we targeted to
convert.
What we found though is that unless you grew up with PROCs, most
existing PI users did not embrace them once it became core.
-Lance
Glenn Herbert wrote:
I was helping write that proc processor for Pr1me starting in 1986.
In the conversions group we used to install it as an additional
package (basically adding the BASIC code and cataloging it!) on sites
converting to PI. The processor was still not IN PI until shortly
after I left (just before the big downfall). I still have the master
documentation set for the processor that I wrote for Tech Pubs. It's
in a box somewhere.
At 03:06 AM 02/05/2004, you wrote:
Old history now, but as a Pr1mate (as in used, not worked for), I never
learnt (or even MET!) procs until extremely late in the day. Official
support for procs appeared with INFORMATION 8.1, released probably about
1991 just before they went bust :-(
It just WASN'T THERE on any system I ever worked with ...
Cheers,
Wol
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mark Johnson
Sent: 05 February 2004 04:41
To: U2 Users Discussion List
Subject: Re: Proc or Para
Here, Here!! I agree with Chuck on the value of procs. Being a 25 year
proctologist myself allows me to support a wide variety of platforms.
Many
of my UD/UV/D3 clients, while having paragraphs and other newer
additions
available, still function with a lot of code that was inherited from
earlier
conversions. Oftentimes management many not be able to justify a
re-write of
code just because the language isn't today's flavor.
Coming from Microdata since the 70's, you only had procs with
procread/procwrite as a way to get fancy with PQ procs. PQN in 1979
offered
more read/write and direct variable features but the other licenses were
developing EXECUTE which, looking back, was the better tact. Still, i
keep
my proc skills sharpened as I still have to support it. Proc does have
some
pretty nifty features for such a simple command set.
Earlier PQ proc didn't have read/write so they developed a sideline
language
called BATCH which did these tasks. BATCH is officially removed from the
direct decendancy of R80/83 as D3 doesn't recognize it and i haven't
seen it
on any U2 systems. RPL, which predates this further never made it past
the
mid 1970's.
Isn't it great to have choices.
my 1 cent.
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From: Results [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Proc or Para
L,
Proc predates Pick BASIC as a programming language. The short
answer
(to my mind) is that Paragraph is an add-on to
Access/English/AQL/Retrieve, but Proc is really a scripting language.
If
you need to automate procedures, tie complex programs into a batch, or
do other heavy lifting, Proc is great. The problem that gets all these
Proc haters on their soapbox isn't Proc, its when people use Proc for
the wrong tasks (like Proc menus instead of parametric menus). Proc
really is incredibily powerful and well worth knowing, but it
shouldn't
be used for 9-% of the tasks it is normally associated with in the
Pick
world.
Personally, I rtarely use Paragraph because I need to port
software.
- Charles 'Proc is JCL on Steroids' Barouch
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