Re: PI Open is going away
Ah, yes. *That* one. When first shown that, my comment was, "Congratulations. You've just reinvented RPG." :-) On Apr 18, 2004, at 3:24, Matti Lamprhey wrote: Surely "The Drumheller Trick" has to be where processing is applied to records within the SELECT process itself, using I-descriptors. I met John briefly at a Vmark bash in Birmingham (UK) some years ago, and it was clear that this was the one HE assumed was meant by the phrase. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
One of the really good stories about John Drumhiller, during the early development of Devcom Information System (PI), was when you were working away in the afternoon and John would come in for the first time in a week and tell every one to go home, that he needed the machine. He rarely gave any reason, just that he needed the machine. The next mooring you would come in early and find John asleep under a table with empty six pack cartons and McDonalds boxes all over the floor. In a very limited discussion you would find out that he had implemented the Resize command so in worked in place rather that copy from file to file. He would get up go home and not be seen for another week or so. His wife used to call the office to see if anyone had seen John in the last week or so. Did anyone know that John actually wrote one of the first programs to catch satellite transmissions from space. He was working for Hushes Air Craft at the time. He stuck 8 PDP8's together and had the signal bounce from one system to the other so he had time to process and store the data without overflowing the small buffers. Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:15:58 +1000 From: "Ross Ferris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: PI Open is going away To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Don't forget to mention "the Drumheller(? Drumhella?) Trick !" Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development Tom Dodds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 630-235-2975 "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." Groucho Marx -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
The one I was "introduced" to was using I types to enable processing a file in a single pass through. You would : LIST FILE WITH () I-type-dict The effect was that you would pass through the file once, apply the selection criteria, and if it "passed" you could then perform "transaction processing" within the I-type, which never actually returned a value. So, when you ran a benchmark against, say, an Ultimate, which was forced to : EXECUTE "SELECT FILE WITH ()" (or maybe this was done with a PROC - IIRC the Ultimate had a "PASSLIST" construct ?" THEN you would have to re-read the file & do the processing with something like OK = 1 LOOP READNEXT ID ELSE OK = 0 WHILE OK REPEAT The result, on a non-trivial file, more than compensated for the high order byte inversion under Information :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Clifton Oliver >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 11:39 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > >Which "trick" was that? He had so many. > > >On Apr 17, 2004, at 15:08, Ross Ferris wrote: > >> Probably. Never knew the guy ... but I thought the "trick" was kinda >> neat, and I've still been known to use variants to this day :-) > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 09:01:28 +1000, you wrote: >One of the reasons PI/open could not advance was that its source control system was >written in MIDASPLUS. D'oh! Wow. I remember patching EDM16 at our site. And reading the source code to get an understanding of ISAM's. Truly an educational process. -- Allen Egerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Surely "The Drumheller Trick" has to be where processing is applied to records within the SELECT process itself, using I-descriptors. I met John briefly at a Vmark bash in Birmingham (UK) some years ago, and it was clear that this was the one HE assumed was meant by the phrase. Matti -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: 18 April 2004 02:39 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away Which "trick" was that? He had so many. On Apr 17, 2004, at 15:08, Ross Ferris wrote: > Probably. Never knew the guy ... but I thought the "trick" was kinda > neat, and I've still been known to use variants to this day :-) -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Which "trick" was that? He had so many. On Apr 17, 2004, at 15:08, Ross Ferris wrote: Probably. Never knew the guy ... but I thought the "trick" was kinda neat, and I've still been known to use variants to this day :-) -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
One of the reasons PI/open could not advance was that its source control system was written in MIDASPLUS. D'oh! -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
I don't remember seeing any three comments! - Original Message - From: Clifton Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:12:35 -0700 To: U2 Users Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > That would be John "60,000 lines of PMA assemby code and only 3 > comments" Drumheller. > > -- > > Regards, > > Clif -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Probably. Never knew the guy ... but I thought the "trick" was kinda neat, and I've still been known to use variants to this day :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Clifton Oliver >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 5:13 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > >That would be John "60,000 lines of PMA assemby code and only 3 >comments" Drumheller. > >-- > >Regards, > >Clif >On Apr 17, 2004, at 6:15, Ross Ferris wrote: > >> Don't forget to mention "the Drumheller(? Drumhella?) Trick !" > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I think 3 lines of comments is generous ;-) When I went through that lovely set of code to document the PI error messages I was wishing i could find the design spec, but I believe the spec matched the number of comments in the Kernel (i.e. it did not exist). Clifton Oliver wrote: That would be John "60,000 lines of PMA assemby code and only 3 comments" Drumheller. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
That would be John "60,000 lines of PMA assemby code and only 3 comments" Drumheller. -- Regards, Clif On Apr 17, 2004, at 6:15, Ross Ferris wrote: Don't forget to mention "the Drumheller(? Drumhella?) Trick !" -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Nononono -- how will we know what a PERI 157 is if you do that ??? ;-) JayJay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Upton Sent: 16 April 2004 09:55 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: PI Open is going away Funny that... I was only thinking the other day that I should throw out my ICL 1900 COBOL and PLAN Manuals!!! :-) -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Don't forget to mention "the Drumheller(? Drumhella?) Trick !" Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Results >Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2004 4:45 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > >PI/Open-ers, >I'd like to write a 'memorial' article for Database Trends >acknowledging the PI and Prime contributions to the community as a >whole. Would a few of you be willing to write up some brief paragraphs >on things like: >"So I said to Mike, we'll call them "I Descriptors" and he said it >would never catch on..." > >In other words, I'd like to collect some personal stories about how >these functions came about. If I get enough (and enough variety) I'll >present it to my editors. Contributions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-- > Sincerely, > Charles Barouch > www.KeyAlly.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
At 23:18 16/04/04, you wrote: > Funny that... I was only thinking the other day that I should throw > out my ICL 1900 COBOL and PLAN Manuals!!! :-) Don;t start me on that nostalgia! I was an operating system developer with ICL all those years ago. Ah! Another Leo, eh?? Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.8.3 - Release Date: 15/04/04 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.8.3 - Release Date: 15/04/04 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
Goo'day, Martin, At 18:53 16/04/04, you wrote: I was one of the two technical managers for the development of PI/open. It's always sad watching a product that you worked on be put into retirement. Perhaps I can now throw out my collection of PI/open manuals. And stop telling QM users "That's how it's done in PI/open, so that's how we're doing it here!!!" ??? ~8^)) Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.8.3 - Release Date: 15/04/04 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.8.3 - Release Date: 15/04/04 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
>how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to >sound off? We have two customers on PI/Open, both on EXL325 boxes. Both are migrating away and will be off within a year (except that they both told me that they'd be off each of the last three years). Randy +-+ | Computronics Randy Styka, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 4N165 Wood Dale Road Phone: 630/941-7767 | | Addison, Illinois 60101 USA Fax:630/941-7714 | +-+ -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: PI Open is going away
Like when PI 5.4 was supposed to come out with Relational features and then we backed them out of the release? Results wrote: PI/Open-ers, I'd like to write a 'memorial' article for Database Trends acknowledging the PI and Prime contributions to the community as a whole. Would a few of you be willing to write up some brief paragraphs on things like: "So I said to Mike, we'll call them "I Descriptors" and he said it would never catch on..." In other words, I'd like to collect some personal stories about how these functions came about. If I get enough (and enough variety) I'll present it to my editors. Contributions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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PI/Open-ers, I'd like to write a 'memorial' article for Database Trends acknowledging the PI and Prime contributions to the community as a whole. Would a few of you be willing to write up some brief paragraphs on things like: "So I said to Mike, we'll call them "I Descriptors" and he said it would never catch on..." In other words, I'd like to collect some personal stories about how these functions came about. If I get enough (and enough variety) I'll present it to my editors. Contributions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sincerely, Charles Barouch www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Well, I'm hanging on to my Leo III docs - just waiting for someone to come up with an emulator for the intel platform! CLEO anyone? The System/4 stuff went ages ago. Derek Falkner Kingston, Ontario, Canada > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Upton > Sent: April 16, 2004 9:19 AM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: PI Open is going away > > > I was at Hoskyns, did a bit of gin for George II+... or our version of > it! > > -Original Message- > From: Martin Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 April 2004 14:19 > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > > > Funny that... I was only thinking the other day that I should throw > > out my ICL 1900 COBOL and PLAN Manuals!!! :-) > -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
I was at Hoskyns, did a bit of gin for George II+... or our version of it! -Original Message- From: Martin Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2004 14:19 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > Funny that... I was only thinking the other day that I should throw > out my ICL 1900 COBOL and PLAN Manuals!!! :-) Don;t start me on that nostalgia! I was an operating system developer with ICL all those years ago. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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> Funny that... I was only thinking the other day that I should throw > out my ICL 1900 COBOL and PLAN Manuals!!! :-) Don;t start me on that nostalgia! I was an operating system developer with ICL all those years ago. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Martin, I did the same recently. Not only did i retire my PI/Open docs but all of my old PI material dating back to my days prior to working at Prime when I was at Standard Data Systems, one of the original PI dealers . However the memories will always be with me... -Lance Martin Phillips wrote: I was one of the two technical managers for the development of PI/open. It's always sad watching a product that you worked on be put into retirement. Perhaps I can now throw out my collection of PI/open manuals. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Ummm... My wife will murder me for this ... but I'd love to have a copy (we've lost a lot of ours). Scan them or whatever. If I'm up your way for some reason (I go up the M1 regularly, but have my wife with me ...) I'd relieve you of them. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: Martin Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2004 09:54 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away I was one of the two technical managers for the development of PI/open. It's always sad watching a product that you worked on be put into retirement. Perhaps I can now throw out my collection of PI/open manuals. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I'm planning (when I get the chance) to resurrect the EXL7330 in my garage. And the reason I salvaged it from work is that it has PI/Open on it ... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Fitzgerald Sent: 15 April 2004 21:34 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: PI Open is going away Clif, We're using PI/Open on our HP for a subset of our accounting data. We also have a copy of PI/Open 3.2 running on an old Prime/EXL - the MIPS based box that Prime used to sell! We may even have a copy of PI/PC around somewhere. Jeff Fitzgerald Fitzgerald & Long, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:08 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Apr 15, 2004, at 12:10, Jerry Banker wrote: > The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement. > > U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement > > Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the > programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are > listed in the second column: > > PI/Open -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Funny that... I was only thinking the other day that I should throw out my ICL 1900 COBOL and PLAN Manuals!!! :-) -Original Message- From: Martin Phillips [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 April 2004 09:54 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away I was one of the two technical managers for the development of PI/open. It's always sad watching a product that you worked on be put into retirement. Perhaps I can now throw out my collection of PI/open manuals. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I was one of the two technical managers for the development of PI/open. It's always sad watching a product that you worked on be put into retirement. Perhaps I can now throw out my collection of PI/open manuals. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Working for Prime in Copenhagen from 1984 to 1992 supporting PI I certainly remember these international events. It's fun to see the names popping up on this list, it brings along a lot of fine memories, including that I owe Lance a beer next time we met. It never happened, but the memories... Thanks PI for at very fine part of my working life. Med venlig hilsen (Best Regards) -Paul > I remember the Prime Information release 6 (and first official GCI) in > Copenhagen - Dennis Beldotti arranging? > > Remember the fun !*! With !AMLC and it's handy way of writing to absolute > memory addresses (gosh - and you didn't want those disk drives did you > !?) > > Was anyone else there? - Bent Pristed was the head boy there then I thik > and > we were pushing out Viewbase on Primenet > > Memories eh? The passing of an age. > > Regards > > JayJay -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Wow this brings back memories!! I was with the sole distributor of Prime in South Africa from 1979 onwards looking after Primos and Prime Information - And yes I remember the I1000 / I250 / I450 (I think), I believe I remember the switches on the front panel to designate where to boot from!!! I tied with rope, one of our first Prime EXL's running PI Open to scaffolding when doing time keeping for a 3 day canoeing event in the bush!!! Worked like a Treat!!! Good Ol Prime Those where the days when you knew exactly what the user number was going to be for which port!! I also remember sitting in a van delivering a 96Mb unit, with 16mb removable pack, when the unit started to fall from the shelf and I tried to stop it - nearly crushed my legs!! Boy have things progressed!! Wish all you ol Prime fellas out their the best! They where the good old days, but the future is just as exciting!! -Original Message- From: John Jenkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2004 10:53 a.m. To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: PI Open is going away I remember the Prime Information release 6 (and first official GCI) in Copenhagen - Dennis Beldotti arranging? Remember the fun !*! With !AMLC and it's handy way of writing to absolute memory addresses (gosh - and you didn't want those disk drives did you !?) Was anyone else there? - Bent Pristed was the head boy there then I thik and we were pushing out Viewbase on Primenet Memories eh? The passing of an age. Regards JayJay -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I was with Prime from 1980 to 1990, South-central Regional Support. Specialized in PI. Jerry - Original Message - From: "Scott Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:01 PM Subject: Re: PI Open is going away 1979 - 1983 at Prime, Corporate Marketing Support Center & Education Center 1983 - 1986 at MADIC Manufacturing applications on Prime Information 1986 -1989 back at Prime - Conversion & Reseller Suport Center, INOFMRATION and VMark UniVerse and on, and on, and on, ... Where and will will services be held? - Original Message - From: "Jeff Schasny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: RE: PI Open is going away > How true. I recall my days at Prime (82-84) fondly > > -Original Message- > From: Lance J. Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:22 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > > > This is indeed an end of an era for those of us who worked on the > development/sustaining and support of PI, PI Open/PI+ > > :-( > > -- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I haven't seen a Prime in over 7 years, but worked on one of the first Prime Information systems to hit Denver (1980). Thanks to everyone who worked on PI to bring real computing power to the MicroData world, and .. drum roll, please Basic $INCLUDE and REMOVE, alternate indexes and I-Descriptors! Those were great innovations! Dick Kryka Director of Applications CCCS of Greater Denver, Inc. Paragon Financial Services 303-632-2226 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clifton Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:13 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Apr 15, 2004, at 12:10, Jerry Banker wrote: > The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement. > > U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement > > Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the > programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are > listed in the second column: > > PI/Open -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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1979 - 1983 at Prime, Corporate Marketing Support Center & Education Center 1983 - 1986 at MADIC Manufacturing applications on Prime Information 1986 -1989 back at Prime - Conversion & Reseller Suport Center, INOFMRATION and VMark UniVerse and on, and on, and on, ... Where and will will services be held? - Original Message - From: "Jeff Schasny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:25 PM Subject: RE: PI Open is going away > How true. I recall my days at Prime (82-84) fondly > > -Original Message- > From: Lance J. Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:22 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > > > This is indeed an end of an era for those of us who worked on the > development/sustaining and support of PI, PI Open/PI+ > > :-( > > -- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Clif, We're using PI/Open on our HP for a subset of our accounting data. We also have a copy of PI/Open 3.2 running on an old Prime/EXL - the MIPS based box that Prime used to sell! We may even have a copy of PI/PC around somewhere. Jeff Fitzgerald Fitzgerald & Long, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:08 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Apr 15, 2004, at 12:10, Jerry Banker wrote: > The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement. > > U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement > > Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the > programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are > listed in the second column: > > PI/Open -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
How true. I recall my days at Prime (82-84) fondly -Original Message- From: Lance J. Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:22 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away This is indeed an end of an era for those of us who worked on the development/sustaining and support of PI, PI Open/PI+ :-( -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Clif: Still using it in Clark County, WA for a jail management system and the 911 dispatch system (but I have been hoping for conversion to uniVerse for years). Harold Oaks Sr. Analyst/Programmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:13 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: PI Open is going away As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Apr 15, 2004, at 12:10, Jerry Banker wrote: > The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement. > > U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement > > Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the > programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are > listed in the second column: > > PI/Open -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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This is indeed an end of an era for those of us who worked on the development/sustaining and support of PI, PI Open/PI+ :-( Clifton Oliver wrote: As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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1 piopen (oil & gas accounting) & 1 information (asset management) client still running. Clifton Oliver wrote: As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Richard A. Wilson Lakeside Systems Smithfield, RI, USA Voice 401-231-3959 Fax 401-231-3943 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.lakeside-systems.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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As one of the engineers of the original Prime INFORMATION, I am curious how many people on the list are still using PI Open. Anyone care to sound off? -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER & ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ On Apr 15, 2004, at 12:10, Jerry Banker wrote: The DB2 IMS Today newsletter has the following announcement. U2 Product Lifecycle Announcement Effective October 1, 2004, IBM will withdraw from marketing the programs noted below. If available, their replacement products are listed in the second column: PI/Open -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
