Re: [Ubnt_users] Brand new UAP-AC-M(US) for sale

[Josh Luthman]

It's a nice system but we're not interested in it at this time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Apr 17, 2017 5:40 PM, "Nathan Babcock"  wrote:

> We run a unifi controller on our server farm and when we install unifi’s
> for customers, we put them on it so we can manage it in the future for
> them.  The requirement is so small, we don’t bother charging them.  Works
> great for our more pretentious customers who call saying the internet is
> down, if we have unifi installed in their home, we can check and usually
> resolve their issue without a truck roll.  90% of the time it is something
> they’ve done anyway…
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Nathan Babcock
>
> President – Straight Shot Wireless
>
> O: 575-208-7915 <(575)%20208-7915>
>
>
>
> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 3:32 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group ; Brandon Gilles <
> brandon.gil...@ubnt.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Brand new UAP-AC-M(US) for sale
>
>
>
> If we go to a customer's house we'd have no way to use the app for setup.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2017 5:27 PM, "Brandon Gilles via Ubnt_users" <
> ubnt_users@wispa.org> wrote:
>
> Josh - so you can configure this standalone w/ the UniFi Mobile app.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Hexis  wrote:
>
> Josh,
>
> I will buy it for close to list price. Hit me off list or PM me on
> facebook.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Riley
>
>
>
> On 4/17/2017 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Does anyone want this?  I got it today from a back order only to realize
> that it's Unifi only - there's no standalone firmware.  I was hoping it was
> a Pico m2hp replacement and unfortunately it isn't.
>
>
>
> I'm hoping to get as close to what I paid as possible, I simply opened the
> box and powered it up.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Brand new UAP-AC-M(US) for sale

[Nathan Babcock]

We run a unifi controller on our server farm and when we install unifi’s for 
customers, we put them on it so we can manage it in the future for them.  The 
requirement is so small, we don’t bother charging them.  Works great for our 
more pretentious customers who call saying the internet is down, if we have 
unifi installed in their home, we can check and usually resolve their issue 
without a truck roll.  90% of the time it is something they’ve done anyway…

 

Regards,

Nathan Babcock

President – Straight Shot Wireless

O: 575-208-7915

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 3:32 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group ; Brandon Gilles 

Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Brand new UAP-AC-M(US) for sale

 

If we go to a customer's house we'd have no way to use the app for setup.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Apr 17, 2017 5:27 PM, "Brandon Gilles via Ubnt_users" mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> > wrote:

Josh - so you can configure this standalone w/ the UniFi Mobile app.

 

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Hexis mailto:lists@hexis.consulting> > wrote:

Josh, 

I will buy it for close to list price. Hit me off list or PM me on facebook.

Thanks,

-Riley

 

On 4/17/2017 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Does anyone want this?  I got it today from a back order only to realize that 
it's Unifi only - there's no standalone firmware.  I was hoping it was a Pico 
m2hp replacement and unfortunately it isn't. 

 

I'm hoping to get as close to what I paid as possible, I simply opened the box 
and powered it up.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

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Re: [Ubnt_users] Brand new UAP-AC-M(US) for sale

[Josh Luthman]

If we go to a customer's house we'd have no way to use the app for setup.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 17, 2017 5:27 PM, "Brandon Gilles via Ubnt_users" <
ubnt_users@wispa.org> wrote:

> Josh - so you can configure this standalone w/ the UniFi Mobile app.
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Hexis  wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> I will buy it for close to list price. Hit me off list or PM me on
>> facebook.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Riley
>>
>> On 4/17/2017 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone want this?  I got it today from a back order only to realize
>> that it's Unifi only - there's no standalone firmware.  I was hoping it was
>> a Pico m2hp replacement and unfortunately it isn't.
>>
>> I'm hoping to get as close to what I paid as possible, I simply opened
>> the box and powered it up.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Brand new UAP-AC-M(US) for sale

[Brandon Gilles via Ubnt_users]

Josh - so you can configure this standalone w/ the UniFi Mobile app.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Hexis  wrote:

> Josh,
>
> I will buy it for close to list price. Hit me off list or PM me on
> facebook.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Riley
>
> On 4/17/2017 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Does anyone want this?  I got it today from a back order only to realize
> that it's Unifi only - there's no standalone firmware.  I was hoping it was
> a Pico m2hp replacement and unfortunately it isn't.
>
> I'm hoping to get as close to what I paid as possible, I simply opened the
> box and powered it up.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [Ubnt_users] Brand new UAP-AC-M(US) for sale

[Hexis]

Josh,

I will buy it for close to list price. Hit me off list or PM me on facebook.

Thanks,

-Riley


On 4/17/2017 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Does anyone want this?  I got it today from a back order only to 
realize that it's Unifi only - there's no standalone firmware.  I was 
hoping it was a Pico m2hp replacement and unfortunately it isn't.


I'm hoping to get as close to what I paid as possible, I simply opened 
the box and powered it up.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


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[Ubnt_users] Brand new UAP-AC-M(US) for sale

[Josh Luthman]

Does anyone want this?  I got it today from a back order only to realize
that it's Unifi only - there's no standalone firmware.  I was hoping it was
a Pico m2hp replacement and unfortunately it isn't.

I'm hoping to get as close to what I paid as possible, I simply opened the
box and powered it up.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

[Tim-GM]

Tests from tower TCP/IP resulted in 500 x 650

So adequate

 

Had are first rain storm over the weekend, Did OK, Lost a little throughput
but no dropped links

 

Will keep on learning

Next step licensed links. 

Wide selection to choose from

 

The 24Ghz did prove that I was hitting throughput wall with AC.

 

Tim

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tim-GM
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:05 PM
To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

 

Will have techs test at tower

Thanks for feedback

 

We plan on moving or adding 11ghz for this link 24ghz would be backup.

Just not sure if we do ubnt, mimosa, or cambium for the 11ghz

 

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:36 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

 

If you're running bandwidth tests from a MikroTik, I doubt that anything
less than a CCR is going to be able to handle a 700Mbps TCP test. In my
experience, if an AF24 is showing full capacity (770Mbps), it will do
700Mbps consistently.

We have an inactive AF24 link (it was replaced with 11ghz because of rain
fade issues, but we left the AF24 there for a spare), with a CCR1009 at one
end and an RB1100AHx2 at the other end - running a receive test from the
CCR, I consistently get 680-700Mbps, but the other direction it's very
inconsistent but probably averages about 100Mbps (keep in mind these routers
do have around 300Mbps of traffic going through the other link while this is
running).

  _  

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Shawn C. Peppers
[videodirectwispal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:04 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

Im not sure i get 700 mbps test across a few of mine either when running
tcp.  I do however hit 600+ at peak times.  Like Adair stated, its likely
either the routers just are not accurately handling the bandwidth test, you
have errors on the ethernet link or some other variable.

Shawn C. Peppers 

Video Direct

866-680-8433 Toll Free

http://www.video-direct.tv


On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Tommy Adams mailto:tomm...@digitex.net> > wrote:

Your numbers are almost identical to one of our links.  Pulling a TCP
bandwidth test from a CCR1009 plugged in on each side we get 700 megs.  We
use the CCR1009 to bond two backhauls together for failover when it rains.
Anyone telling you these things do not fail in the rain is crazy or lives in
the dessert.  

 

If you have a Mikrotik router behind it, you can do a bandwidth test to
btest.planetcoop.com   user/pass: btest. This
is s public testing server setup by a nice ISP in northern US.

 

Tommy

 

 

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Network Administrator

Digitex.com  

 

817.558.6230 V

817.558.1204 F

 

 

From: mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> >
on behalf of Tim-GM mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com> >
Reply-To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> >
Date: Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:43 AM
To: 'Ubiquiti Users Group' mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

 

UDP around 653meg

 

But that has NO value.

 

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

 

Must be something else messing with it.  How are you bandwidth testing?  Try
a UDP test. 

Shawn C. Peppers

Video Direct

866-680-8433 Toll Free

http://www.video-direct.tv


On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Tim-GM mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com> > wrote:



 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Shawn C. Peppers
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:16 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
>
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

 

What does the capacity show? 

Shawn C. Peppers

Video Direct

866-680-8433 Toll Free

http://www.video-direct.tv


On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Tim-GM mailto:t...@cherrycapitalconnection.com> > wrote:

Just noticed airlink at 33db says 500

At 38 db says 728

 

The airfiber maximum power is 33db

 

Can this power be increased on the airfiber?

 

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:48 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 24Ghz link Airfiber

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

[Mathew Howard]

Our AF11 link is doing 500Mbps, but I haven't gotten it working at more than 
256QAM (it's right at the edge of where 1024QAM should work and still needs to 
be fine tuned, so hopefully I'll be able to get it there), so they should get 
to 600ish with 1024QAM. If I remember right, they claim somewhere around 
650mbps at full modulation, but in my experience any airfiber will typically 
max out at about 90% of their stated capacity.


From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of 
Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:02 AM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

That's as measured by their fan boys, who don't visit here.

UBNT's top claim is 1.2+ gbps. Cut that in half for single direction peak you 
get 600. However one of their fanboys was posting that he was getting ~500 
megabit on his link. It's entirely possible that others have gotten closer to 
the 600 number as I don't frequent their propaganda (forum where fan boys 
rejoice).

However, that's MIMO. 256 QAM traditional radios manage more than 250 megabits 
per polarity.



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From: "Nate Burke" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 7:46:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

I think I've seen you make this claim a few times, but I don't recall seeing it 
from anyone else.  Is this your real world experience, or where is this info 
coming from?  Any test data to look at? Test equipment used , latency, packet 
loss, signal levels, PCN expectations?  Based on Knowing the guys on the 
Airfiber team, I would trust their throughput claims over normal UBNT Products.

On 4/16/2017 7:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They haven't achieved much more than 500 megabits real throughput in one 
direction. They end up with a lot of bits on the floor.



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From: "J Portman" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 7:00:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

Actually, looks like the AF11x will perform as good (or maybe better) than the 
B11 for less cost.
1024QAM with MIMO. They claim 1.3 gig each direction on 56MHZ channel.

799 per radio, ($1600/pair) plus antennas puts the whole link in the $3000 
range with what looks like outstanding performance for the price.


I am now officially considering UBNT as a possible vendor for three links I 
need to do in the next few months.

YMMV,

JP


On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 01:10:01 + (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote
> I love these kinds of conversations everyone get hunkered down to 
> comparing the tech specs..
>

> Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios
>

> But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the B11 
> becoming available in the market place, for our industry ?
>
> 1).. A new technic

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

[Mike Hammett]

That's as measured by their fan boys, who don't visit here. 

UBNT's top claim is 1.2+ gbps. Cut that in half for single direction peak you 
get 600. However one of their fanboys was posting that he was getting ~500 
megabit on his link. It's entirely possible that others have gotten closer to 
the 600 number as I don't frequent their propaganda (forum where fan boys 
rejoice). 

However, that's MIMO. 256 QAM traditional radios manage more than 250 megabits 
per polarity. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 7:46:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) 

I think I've seen you make this claim a few times, but I don't recall seeing it 
from anyone else. Is this your real world experience, or where is this info 
coming from? Any test data to look at? Test equipment used , latency, packet 
loss, signal levels, PCN expectations? Based on Knowing the guys on the 
Airfiber team, I would trust their throughput claims over normal UBNT Products. 


On 4/16/2017 7:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



They haven't achieved much more than 500 megabits real throughput in one 
direction. They end up with a lot of bits on the floor. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "J Portman"  
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 7:00:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) 

Actually, looks like the AF11x will perform as good (or maybe better) than the 
B11 for less cost. 
1024QAM with MIMO. They claim 1.3 gig each direction on 56MHZ channel. 

799 per radio, ($1600/pair) plus antennas puts the whole link in the $3000 
range with what looks like outstanding performance for the price. 


I am now officially considering UBNT as a possible vendor for three links I 
need to do in the next few months. 

YMMV, 

JP 


On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 01:10:01 + (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote 
> I love these kinds of conversations everyone get hunkered down to 
> comparing the tech specs.. 
> 

> Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios 
> 

> But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the B11 
> becoming available in the market place, for our industry ? 
> 
> 1).. A new technical concepts introduced. 
> 2).. An artificial glass ceiling of 'you cannot touch this' in the Licensed 
> world challenged and broken 
> 3)..A new price point established 
> 4) Greatly Expanded the Market for lower cost licensed links 
> 5) Greatly expanded the CHOICES ... you may not like it.. but some others 
> cannot afford your favorite product ...(To each their own). 
> 
> Do you think the AF11x would be a product if B11's were never introduced ? 
> Do you think that the other MFG would be under pressure to bring their 
> absorbent product pricing down ? 
> Phoopho it as much as you like, the facts don't change.. 
> 

> :) 
> 

> Happy Easter Everyone ! 
> 

> Regards 
> 

> Faisal Imtiaz 
> Snappy Internet & Telecom 
> 7266 SW 48 Street 
> Miami, FL 33155 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
> 
> - Original Message -

> 

From: "Mathew Howard"  
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:58:33 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) 
> 


> 


> 
> Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down ratios on the B11 
> to make sync work, which makes them even more inefficient...and adds a bunch 
> of latency. 
> 
> All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you get with a 
> real FDD link (and actually does have a lot of disadvantages, which have 
> already been pointed out). B11s are great if you need to move a gig of data 
> over 11ghz for cheap and have the channels available, but technically 
> superior to other 11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using a 
> B11 anywhere that I couldn't license enough channels to run it at full 
> capacity. 
> 
> 

> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf 
> of Mike Hammett [ wispaubntus...@ics-il.net ] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM 
> To: Ubiquiti Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber) 
> 
> 
> Sure there is... as long as it's that exact same product. SAF Lumina can 
> coexist with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long as they all Tx or all 
> Rx. 
> 
> B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the same sync 
> settings. 
> 
> 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

> - Original Message -

> From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"  
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:29:57 PM 
>

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

[Nate Burke]

I think I've seen you make this claim a few times, but I don't recall 
seeing it from anyone else.  Is this your real world experience, or 
where is this info coming from?  Any test data to look at? Test 
equipment used , latency, packet loss, signal levels, PCN expectations?  
Based on Knowing the guys on the Airfiber team, I would trust their 
throughput claims over normal UBNT Products.


On 4/16/2017 7:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They haven't achieved much more than 500 megabits real throughput in 
one direction. They end up with a lot of bits on the floor.




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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


*From: *"J Portman" 
*To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" 
*Sent: *Sunday, April 16, 2017 7:00:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

Actually, looks like the AF11x will perform as good (or maybe better) 
than the B11 for less cost.

1024QAM with MIMO. They claim 1.3 gig each direction on 56MHZ channel.

799 per radio, ($1600/pair) plus antennas puts the whole link in the 
$3000 range with what looks like outstanding performance for the price.



I am now officially considering UBNT as a possible vendor for three 
links I need to do in the next few months.


YMMV,

JP


*On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 01:10:01 + (GMT), Faisal Imtiaz wrote*
> I love these kinds of conversations everyone get hunkered down 
to comparing the tech specs..

>

> Yes, Yes, yes... no argument that there better radios
>

> But also stop and think for a moment, what was the 'effect' of the 
B11 becoming available in the market place, for our industry ?

>
> 1).. A new technical concepts introduced.
> 2).. An artificial glass ceiling of 'you cannot touch this' in the 
Licensed world challenged and broken

> 3)..A new price point established
> 4) Greatly Expanded the Market for lower cost licensed links
> 5) Greatly expanded the CHOICES ... you may not like it.. but 
some others cannot afford your favorite product ...(To each their own).

>
> Do you think the AF11x would be a product if B11's were never 
introduced ?
> Do you think that the other MFG would be under pressure to bring 
their absorbent product pricing down ?

> Phoopho it as much as you like, the facts don't change..
>

> :)
>

> Happy Easter Everyone !
>

> Regards
>

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>


>

*From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:58:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
> 



>


>
> Not to mention the fact that you have to use fixed up/down
ratios on the B11 to make sync work, which makes them even more
inefficient...and adds a bunch of latency.
>
> All GPS sync really doesn't add any capabilities beyond what you
get with a real FDD link (and actually does have a lot of
disadvantages, which have already been pointed out). B11s are
great if you need to move a gig of data over 11ghz for cheap and
have the channels available, but technically superior to other
11ghz radios they are not. I wouldn't even consider using a B11
anywhere that I couldn't license enough channels to run it at full
capacity.
>
>


> *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org
[ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett
[wispaubntus...@ics-il.net]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 15, 2017 4:33 PM
> *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)
>
>
> Sure there is...  as long as it's that exact same product. SAF
Lumina can coexist with SIAE, Ceragon, Alcoma, Exalt, etc. as long
as they all Tx or all Rx.
>
> B11 can co-exist with any radio as long as it's a B11 with the
same sync settings.
>
>

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 



  

Re: [Ubnt_users] 4096 QAM (was: 24Ghz link Airfiber)

[Jon Langeler]

AF11x and B11 both use ofdm so they won't be as efficient.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Apr 16, 2017, at 8:35 PM, J Portman  wrote:
> 
> The numbers don't feel "right". 
> 
> My SIAEs do 436mbps per channel each way on 56HMZ and 1024QAM (tested).
> 
> So either the UBNT SISO number is piss poor for 1024QAM (687.9/2 = 343.95mbps)
> or they are stating numbers for an 80MHZ channel (661mbps for SIAE 80MHZ at
> 1024 QAM).
> 
> It appears UBNT does not really do 1024QAM after all. The numbers they state
> are actually less than a SAF radio does on 256QAM in a 56MHZ channel 
> (363mbps).
> 
> Something is not right in Denmark.
> 
> I will need to do more research.
> 
> Looks like Alfoplus2 may turn out the be the winner after all
> 
> JP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 1Seth Mattinen wrote:
 On 4/16/17 5:00 PM, J Portman wrote:
 1024QAM with MIMO. They claim 1.3 gig each direction on 56MHZ channel.
>>> 
>>> That's the marketing aggregate number, divide by two for capacity in
>>> each direction.
>> 
>> See page 10: https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_AF-11FX_DS.pdf
>> 
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