Re: Team Meeting -- topic BUGS

2007-02-22 Thread Daniel Holbach
Hello Henrik,

On Do, 2007-02-22 at 13:56 +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
 Anyone have preferred meeting times. Perhaps in the UTC evening so we 
 can catch some US West Coast people?

Let's go for Wednesday, Feb 28th, 18:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting - what do
you think?

Have a nice day,
 Daniel



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openoffice

2007-02-22 Thread mike coulombe
Hi, I tried to uninstall openoffice so I could re install it.
It says packages depend on open office and to run package manager to resolve 
this.
Is there a way to do this through apt-get.
I  have had no luck running the package manager in the terminal.
Mike.
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Re: is there a way to change the volume

2007-02-22 Thread Kenny Hitt
Hi.

The volume is still on the top panelt to the left of the clock
There was a time in Feisty when the volume wasn't accessible, but that
was recently fixed.

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Re: [Fwd: [u-a-dev] What can the Mozilla Team do?]

2007-02-22 Thread Alex Latchford
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Daniel Holbach wrote:
 Hello Will,
 
 thanks for all the enlightening words. I wasn't aware of what was going
 on in orca-firefox land.
 
 On Di, 2007-02-20 at 10:22 -0500, Willie Walker wrote:
 For what the Mozilla team can do?  I'd say throw more capable bodies at 
 it.  Work with Aaron Leventhal - I'm sure he has no shortage of stuff 
 for people to do.  The caret navigation needs work.  The AT-SPI 
 implementation in Gecko needs completion, testing, and should attempt to 
 behave as much like the GTK+/GAIL implementation as possible.
 
 I think Alex was more referring to the Ubuntu Mozilla team, which
 maintains the Mozilla suite in Ubuntu and liaises with Upstream.
 
 
 My own opinion is that, 
   * adding a tag is cool,
   * subscribing the 'accessibility' team, if there's any input you
 need from us or anything that needs accessibility testing.
   * maybe point out how to forward those kinds of bugs upstream,
   * also point out how to get more data than doesn't work with
 version n.
 
 That's all I can think of for now as I don't know enough about the
 nature of Mozilla Accessibility bug reports.
 
 Thanks a lot for all your efforts.
 
 Have a nice day,
  Daniel
 
 


Howdy guys,

Thanks for the comments, I have forwarded these comments onto the
Mozilla Team list, we are going to discuss the best way to move forward
with tagging accessibility issues on the mailing list and probably at
the next meeting.

Thanks again, Alex.
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Re: Team Meeting -- topic BUGS

2007-02-22 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 01:56:19AM EST, Daniel Holbach wrote:
 Hello everybody,
 
 On Do, 2007-02-22 at 15:13 +0100, Daniel Holbach wrote:
  On Do, 2007-02-22 at 13:56 +0100, Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
   Anyone have preferred meeting times. Perhaps in the UTC evening so we 
   can catch some US West Coast people?
  
  Let's go for Wednesday, Feb 28th, 18:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting - what do
  you think?
 
 Ok, let's make it Feb 28th, 18:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting for another
 a11y team meeting. :-)

Is there a possibility we could push this back a couple of hours to 
20:00UTC? If not thats ok, but I'd have a better chance of making it 
then.
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Re: openoffice

2007-02-22 Thread Kenny Hitt
Hi.

apt-get remove package will remove package.  However, you will need to
be careful.  Open Office is closely integrated in Ubuntu's Gnome.
Removing it will leave you with a broken gnome.  Make sure to notice all
the packages apt-get removes so you can install everything again.

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Re: Voice Recognition for Linux

2007-02-22 Thread Eric S. Johansson
Henrik Nilsen Omma wrote:
 Eric S. Johansson wrote:


 In short: Create a copy-left (GPL) tool to transfer text from Naturally 
 Speaking on Windows to Linux.

this is one half of the solution needed.  Not only do you need to 
propagate text to Linux but you need to provide enough context back to 
windows so that NaturallySpeaking can select different grammars.  It 
would be nice to also modify the text injected in to Linux because 
nuanced really screwed the pooch on natural text.

 A few starts have been made on this, but it needs to be organised as a 
 proper community project and driven forward by several people. 

this is a difficult task.  There is a very nice package called voice 
coder spearheaded by Alain Desilets up at nrc-it in conjunction with 
David Fox.  They haven't gotten a whole lot of additional contributions. 
  People with upper extremity disorders tend not to volunteer a whole 
lot because quite frankly life is bouncing physical pain against what 
needs to be done.  It's exhausting.

 The user 
 interface should aim to be better than what the native Windows NS 
 version has. It should be speech engine and OS agnostic. That way you'll 
 get people using it to transfer speech between all sorts of different 
 systems, and it will get more use and development. You should be able to 
 easily plug in a free engine like Sphinx (so these will be encouraged to 
 improve) or even Vista's native system, which will be very widespread.

damn, you are the optimist.  Yes, user interface does need to be better 
but it may not be possible because the recognition engine or systems 
around it may not expose the interface is necessary to make it better. 
For example, where do you get the information from to give the user 
clear feedback that the system is hearing something and it's at the 
right level?  Also, the whole process of adding or deleting words from 
your dictionary, training, or testing your audio input to make sure it 
works right?  I'm not saying it's impossible.  I'm just saying be 
prepared to work very very hard.  I think we'd be better off finding 
some way of overlaying the user interface from NaturallySpeaking on top 
of a Linux virtual machine screen.  Sucks but you might get done faster 
than you are very desirable but overly optimistic wish.
 
 My biggest gripe with NS is the editing interface. The actual 
 recognition is quite good IMO, but when you do make a mistake it is very 
 awkward to fix it without using the keyboard. If you give an edit 
 command and that is not understood correctly either then you get a 
 meaningless sentence and you are no longer able to easily correct the 
 one you originally wanted to fix. The end result is that to totally lose 
 the flow of what you were trying to express.

It's not quite that bad.  Select-and-Say when it works is quite useful 
for small phrases.  What we need to do is propagate the Emacs mark and 
point interface into a GUI environment.  It's far more effective, at 
least when you're noodling about within error-prone navigation process.

In any event, take a look at the voice coder you live for making 
corrections.  I really like it.  It's the best correction interface is 
seen so far.  David Fox is responsible for that wonderful creation.

 I presume the macro functionality in NS is configured so that the 
 pattern recognition is quite good on the macros you define yourself. So 
 when you say 'Paste in my address' it generally works. We can (ab)use 
 this macro facility for our own editing needs. We would define a set of 
 macros that would be processed by the NS engine and would give us a know 
 and parseable string.

natpython is the way to go.  It lets a user create a sapi4 grammer  and 
associate a method with the grammar wants it resolves.  Or is the term 
hits a termial node?  Anyway, it works, it's reliable, it's written in 
Python and from user level looks to be relatively portable between 
recognition requirements.

 
 So saying 'Macro: delete sentence' would actually insert the text 
 **MACRO-DELETE-SENTENCE** into the text stream. If you were watching the 
 text on the Windows system the real text would be interspersed with such 
 commands, but on the Linux system receiving the stream it would just Do 
 the Right Thing. The big advantage is that it's very configurable this 
 way so we can make it do what we want.

you mean something like this...

 operation = left | right | delete | kill | switch | copy;
 datatype = character | word | sentence | paragraph | line | region;
 doit exported = operation datatype ;

---
 def gotResults_operation(self, words, fullResults):
 translationtable={
 'leftcharacter':   {ctrl+b},
 'rightcharacter':  {ctrl+f},
 'deletecharacter': {Backspace},
 'killcharacter':   {ctrl+d},
 'switchcharacter': {ctrl+t},
 'leftword':{esc}b,
 'rightword':