Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 43, Issue 23
I support Petra Ritter's suggestion of beeping when ready. A person who's interested in accessibility issues will probably have a sound-producing component attached. If the beep helps, then that's a help, isn't it? Richard Horobin. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 43, Issue 23
Hi. Your asumption is wrong. The problem of systems not having internal speakers any more is a change in main stream production. In the past, a computer case included an internal speaker. That is no longer true. That fact was never advertised, so there isn't any way to know in advance if a new system will have a speaker or not. Usually, the answer is no. Installing one will require sighted help since you will need to know where to plug it into the mother board. Since you need sighted help, why not just let them read your screen for a few seconds to let you get accessibility started. This is more likely since almost anyone with sight can read a screen, but it takes some knowledge to know where to plug a speaker on a circuit board. Kenny On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 06:30:01PM +1000, Richard Horobin wrote: I support Petra Ritter's suggestion of beeping when ready. A person who's interested in accessibility issues will probably have a sound-producing component attached. If the beep helps, then that's a help, isn't it? Richard Horobin. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 43, Issue 23
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Kenny Hitt wrote: Hi. Your asumption is wrong. The problem of systems not having internal speakers any more is a change in main stream production. In the past, a computer case included an internal speaker. That is no longer true. That fact was never advertised, so there isn't any way to know in advance if a new system will have a speaker or not. Usually, the answer is no. Installing one will require sighted help since you will need to know where to plug it into the mother board. Since you need sighted help, why not just let them read your screen for a few seconds to let you get accessibility started. This is more likely since Because they will only have to setup your system to use the (external?) speakers as the default once, rather than evey time you want accessibility started? almost anyone with sight can read a screen, but it takes some knowledge to know where to plug a speaker on a circuit board. Kenny Hugh On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 06:30:01PM +1000, Richard Horobin wrote: I support Petra Ritter's suggestion of beeping when ready. A person who's interested in accessibility issues will probably have a sound-producing component attached. If the beep helps, then that's a help, isn't it? Richard Horobin. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
the installer seem to be broken
Hi, I noticed for the past four days the installer seems to be broken on the karmic live CD. As of today, sound also seems to be broken. Has anyone else noticed this? Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Ubuntu 9.04 installation instructions via Orca
Hi All: I grown exhausted from the beating up Ubuntu has taken over the past several weeks. Admittedly, Ubuntu has had unfortunate events happen with audio integration that cause speech to become corrupted. I think a lot of this has to do more with Pulse Audio integration issues than anything else. Much of my frustration is that I have not had the luxury of time to spend looking at Ubuntu-specific problems. I work primarily on OpenSolaris because that's where my funding comes from -- many thanks to Sun Microsystems for its courage and commitment to fund and pioneer open source accessibility. I hold a place in my heart for Ubuntu, however, because their early work with integrating accessibility into their live CD helped bring GNOME accessibility to more and more people. I believe part of Orca's success is due to Ubuntu's work in this space. So, while watching some Orca regression tests run on my OpenSolaris machine today, I spent the time to download Ubuntu 9.04 and install it on a decrepit laptop. I installed it twice - once with the screen reader option and once without the screen reader option. When I installed with the screen reader option, things went fairly smoothly and I ended up with an installation that spoke as expected. When I installed without the screen reader option, speech exhibited the problem everyone has been complaining about. I was able to remedy the situation easily by doing a sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio and then rebooting. I've written some brief instructions for Ubuntu Jaunty up on the Orca WIKI. All said and done, Ubuntu 9.04 is not the accessibility disaster that people are making it out to be: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuJaunty Please note that the above is a WIKI. The heart of a WIKI is the community, which includes all of you. If you have constructive and helpful things to add, please add them to the WIKI so other people can benefit. In addition, if you have feedback for Ubuntu, please let the Ubuntu folks know. Will PS - Reminder - I work for Sun Microsystems on OpenSolaris. Just because I wrote up these brief Ubuntu Jaunty notes today does not automatically make me your for-free-at-your-beck-and-call Ubuntu support whipping boy. ;-) http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/status/accessibility/AccessibleLiveCd/ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
RE: [orca-list] Ubuntu 9.04 installation instructions via Orca
Hi Willie, I think the fact that Ubuntu 9.04 has been given such a hard time is actually testament to its high standards. Ubuntu is by far the easiest version of Linux for a beginner to get up and running from a hardware point of view etc and because people expect Ubuntu to be perfect everytime they are subsequently disappointed when it isn't as perfect as they expect. So I wouldn't take this negatively. Secondly many of the problems that have effected 9.04 are not directly related to Orca or other accessibility software but more basic things like xorg etc which caused a lot of problems for certain video cards etc. So many of the things that finally persuaded me to switch Vinux to Debian was a whole host of problems, that starting with the screen-reader option did not fix. So it is the rapid release cycle, the intergration of pulseAudio along with xorg and compiz etc that were the straws that broke the camels back. I have tried OpenSolaris and while I was able to start it up and use Orca with admin apps etc, I found that it didn't support as much hardware as Ubuntu and the package choice was a little limited. But it looks very slick and I am sure if you keep working on it will become more and more accessible. The one thing that Debian seems to offer at the moment is very responsive speech using Orca, Speech-Dispatcher and Alsa, and I haven't been able to reproduce this on any other distro Ubuntu and OpenSolaris included. Not sure why this is but there seems to be a significant difference. You must realise by now that software development can be a thankless task. No matter what you do or how much effort you put in, someone won't be happy or want more features.; They have no conception of how much time, effort and testing this requires and as your work is dependant on so many other developers you can't control everything. I think the key thing to remember is that we are all on the same side working for the same goals, and it is OK for people to disagree about the best way to do things, ultimately it is the users who will vote with their fingers and use what they feel works best for them. So I say keep up the good work and try to take any criticism or negative posts with a pinch of salt. You do a great job with the Orca mailing list and doing great things with OpenSolaris. I wish you every success and it is great that a company is taking accessibility seriously. Vive la difference drbongo -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Frequent Crashes in Ubuntu 9.04
Hi, I am having this problem with 9.04. It starts up, Orca starts and gives its little shpill about the desktop, but now for some reason, half the time it says frame greyed. Then, a few minutes later, it crashes, the whole computer crashes to the point where the only way to get it working again is to hold down the power button and do a hard reboot. Is anyone else having this problem? Is there anyone else experiencing this issue? If so, is there a way around it? thanks Storm Check out the Storm Dragon blog: http://www.stormdragon.us/ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
