Re: pulseaudio problems again
Halim Sahin wrote: > > I can listen to anything and use my usb logitech headset for voip > conferencing. > Maybe your problems are configuration mistakes? could be but I've never found anyone that can tell me how to fix it. the last time I tried, the usb device (iMic, buddy, and vxi b200) overrode the primary sound device. last round with the vxi, someone from the alsa group admitted that the driver for the b200 was inadequate. > > It will be interesting how pulseaudio can give more stability if the > layer (alsa) is broken. > With broken alsa drivers you can't get more stability. > for usb devices? yup. that is why folks should pick one interface and *make it work* > BTW. I am using alsa about 10 years and had no problem with it. > I am using voip with my usb logitech head set (twinkle) without > problems. great but audio quality probably isn't up to speech recognition standards. we can be quite the pain in the butt about that. :-) -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Hi, On Di, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:49:46 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote: > Halim Sahin wrote: > > Hi Eric, > > Can you please explain why we need a new audio system and not using > > alsa directly??? > > because Alsa is broken. It does not work well with wine. It does not work > well > with USB microphones for speech recognition. It does not support two sound > devices at the same time. For example, I listen to Pandora on my laptop > soundcard and I use speech recognition with my USB headset. Windows it > mostly > works. Linux, it bites I can listen to anything and use my usb logitech headset for voip conferencing. Maybe your problems are configuration mistakes? It will be interesting how pulseaudio can give more stability if the layer (alsa) is broken. With broken alsa drivers you can't get more stability. for usb devices? BTW. I am using alsa about 10 years and had no problem with it. I am using voip with my usb logitech head set (twinkle) without problems. > > If you want to use a soundserver why not jack or esd? > > why was pulse audio built instead of using them? Ego? Cluelessness? You know that under linux we have many alternatives. Pa is one of these but first it should be stable for using it as default soundserver in all ubuntu setups. > > It's really difficult to understand why ubuntu's audiosystem is broken > > for > > people with disabliilities since 7.10. > > this doesn't need money. > > This need only > > the use of stable software. > > (pa isn't stable yet). > > There isn't any stable audio software. It's all broken from a USB, multiple > source perspective. the money is to pay somebody to write code to fix the > glaring bugs, architectural faults, and missing device drivers. Do you know the alsa dsnoop plugin? Have you even talked to alsa developers?? > > > > What about the working console setup? > > All console screenreaders can't use the audio system when pa starts in > > desktop session. > > Another example of brokenness. Audio developers are not thinking through the > use cases properly. Clarification: Ubuntu's audio setup is broken because the a11y need were ignored since 2 years. "" The people who want to implement all services in usersession should try to use their monitor only after login. It can be a security risk if they can watch boot messages or use a plain textconsole. "" -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi Eric, > Can you please explain why we need a new audio system and not using > alsa directly??? because Alsa is broken. It does not work well with wine. It does not work well with USB microphones for speech recognition. It does not support two sound devices at the same time. For example, I listen to Pandora on my laptop soundcard and I use speech recognition with my USB headset. Windows it mostly works. Linux, it bites > If you want to use a soundserver why not jack or esd? why was pulse audio built instead of using them? Ego? Cluelessness? > It's really difficult to understand why ubuntu's audiosystem is broken > for > people with disabliilities since 7.10. > this doesn't need money. > This need only > the use of stable software. > (pa isn't stable yet). There isn't any stable audio software. It's all broken from a USB, multiple source perspective. the money is to pay somebody to write code to fix the glaring bugs, architectural faults, and missing device drivers. > > What about the working console setup? > All console screenreaders can't use the audio system when pa starts in > desktop session. Another example of brokenness. Audio developers are not thinking through the use cases properly. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Hi Eric, Can you please explain why we need a new audio system and not using alsa directly??? If you want to use a soundserver why not jack or esd? It's really difficult to understand why ubuntu's audiosystem is broken for people with disabliilities since 7.10. this doesn't need money. This need only the use of stable software. (pa isn't stable yet). What about the working console setup? All console screenreaders can't use the audio system when pa starts in desktop session. Regards Halim PS. I am able to reconfigure my system to use alsa directly so I am not speaking for myself. -- Halim Sahin E-Mail: halim.sahin (at) t-online.de -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
re: Getting Login Prompt to Speak
>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:42:02 -0400 >From: "Peter Torpey" >Subject: Getting Login Prompt to Speak >To: >Message-ID: <002101ca196c$86448400$92cd8c...@rr.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi, > >I am using Ubuntu 9.04 and Orca. > >Currently when I boot the computer, braille shows "screen not in text mode" >and there is no speech prompt to tell me when to log in. > Greetings, have you tried the directions found at the orca wiki (http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin)? The directions were written durring Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Herrin, but to my knowledge the procedure has not changed. >Is there any way of making Ubuntu speak the login prompt or having Orca >start immediately after boot? > You will need to press a key sequence (provided on the orka wiki) to activate orca at the prompt. I'm not sure if there's a way to bring orca up automatically. You can modify the key combination (and the time requirement if you don't want to hold the keys for a full second). >I know that the "bongo" souond should let me know when it's okay to login >in. However, I have a problem with this. I am using multiple USB audio >devices on my PC. I have Orca speaking out of sound car A, but the bongos >sound comes out of sound card B (which I don't usually have turned on). Is >there some way of forcing the bongo sound to come out of sound card A? > No idea, someone else might be abl to let you know. hope this helps:-) _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1-- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: pulseaudio problems again
Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi, > I can't understand why pulseaudio is standard soundserver under ubuntu. > It has many a11y related problems: > 1. Not acceptable latency > 2. stability problems > 3. need to install a complete desktop for working sound (no easy console > setup). > > > The mailinglists orca and gnome a11y contain many > Messages about problems with pa. > So folks go on and remove pulseaudio completely to bring as stability > back. > Always removing pulse or building espeak is not an ideal solution. Halim we have many of the same problems on the speech recognition side. Linux audio in general and pulse audio in particular are atrocious. Always have been, and I fear always will be. in order to fix this problem, it will take money sufficient to build a complete audio system either on top of OSS4. ALSA or something new. Until we have that money however, we are having to live on the kindness of strangers and accept whatever they give us. --- eric -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
