Re: Fwd: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility Human Factors Issues
Is this a criticism of the Unity interface or someone who wants to learn more about how to do what they want in Unity? For example, isn't it pretty easy to add an application to the Launcher, i.e. launch the application you want and then go to the launcher and click on the add to launcher button? On 13/01/12 02:04, Luke Yelavich wrote: This was sent to the dev list, and probably should really be on the main accessibility list. - Forwarded message from lenscom...@gmail.com lenscom...@gmail.com - Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:00:25 + From: lenscom...@gmail.com lenscom...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-accessibility-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility Human Factors Issues Dear All I have been using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS since it was released and have found it to be the best desktop user interface in existence. It is rich in functions and features for both novice and expert users. I believe the Ubuntu 10.04 accessibility and human interface is 1st class for every type of user. Listings of all applications are easily accessed from the top menu / launcher bar. And application icons can be added or removed just as easily. The whole system is very easy to customise However, I have recently installed version 11.10 and have been very disappointed with the inability to quickly access the range of applications without having to go through the layers of options from the menu bar. I have not yet found any way to customise the side menu / launcher bar in order that I can add my frequently used application or utilities icons and remove less frequently used applications. I am finding version 11.10 extremely frustrating and difficult to use and administer. I have recently recommended Ubuntu to friends who were thinking of purchasing new desktop and laptops. Being curious I thought I ought to try Ubuntu 11.10 to ensure I provide support to them if they wanted to try it. I am now very concerned about my recommendation and can only point them to using version 10.04 LTS until 2013 when the next LTS version is released. To improve and compete with other commercial systems I believe is right. However, to incorporate an awkward layered look and feel for accessing user applications and system utilities, I think is likely to seriously impact the take up and use of Ubuntu. I therefore, implore the Ubuntu design authorities to seriously review the accessibility and human factors aspects of the next LTS version in relation to the above comments. I am fearful that the next Ubuntu LTS version could fall into the same inaccessibility and poor human factors trap that other (non-mentionable) commercial operating systems have done. Having found Ubuntu I want to keep using it. Please enable me to do so and continue to promulgate its useful attributes and benefits to others. In the meantime I have stopped using version 11.10 and reverted back to version 10.04. Best Regards Len Watts -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message
Hy, I doed only a minimal modified Precise based live CD based with current awailable daily live CD. I only changed the default session with GNOME3 fallback session, installed the required dependencies and hungarian language related packages. I booted the live CD with passed access=v3 parameter, the original boot logo I disabled. The system launched correctly, but if in GNOME Terminal I run any command with sudo or gksu prefix, I get can not open display error message. This is a known issue? Why happening this error in GNOME3 fallback session? Already reported this issue in Launchpad? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message
This happens in Unity as well. Jeremy On 01/13/2012 02:36 AM, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy, I doed only a minimal modified Precise based live CD based with current awailable daily live CD. I only changed the default session with GNOME3 fallback session, installed the required dependencies and hungarian language related packages. I booted the live CD with passed access=v3 parameter, the original boot logo I disabled. The system launched correctly, but if in GNOME Terminal I run any command with sudo or gksu prefix, I get can not open display error message. This is a known issue? Why happening this error in GNOME3 fallback session? Already reported this issue in Launchpad? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility Human Factors Issues
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 3:04 AM, Luke Yelavich them...@ubuntu.com wrote: This was sent to the dev list, and probably should really be on the main accessibility list. - Forwarded message from lenscom...@gmail.com lenscom...@gmail.com - Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 18:00:25 + From: lenscom...@gmail.com lenscom...@gmail.com To: ubuntu-accessibility-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [u-a-dev] Ubuntu 11.10 Accessibility Human Factors Issues Dear All I have been using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS since it was released and have found it to be the best desktop user interface in existence. It is rich in functions and features for both novice and expert users. I believe the Ubuntu 10.04 accessibility and human interface is 1st class for every type of user. Listings of all applications are easily accessed from the top menu / launcher bar. And application icons can be added or removed just as easily. The whole system is very easy to customise However, I have recently installed version 11.10 and have been very disappointed with the inability to quickly access the range of applications without having to go through the layers of options from the menu bar. I have not yet found any way to customise the side menu / launcher bar in order that I can add my frequently used application or utilities icons and remove less frequently used applications. I am finding version 11.10 extremely frustrating and difficult to use and administer. I have recently recommended Ubuntu to friends who were thinking of purchasing new desktop and laptops. Being curious I thought I ought to try Ubuntu 11.10 to ensure I provide support to them if they wanted to try it. I am now very concerned about my recommendation and can only point them to using version 10.04 LTS until 2013 when the next LTS version is released. To improve and compete with other commercial systems I believe is right. However, to incorporate an awkward layered look and feel for accessing user applications and system utilities, I think is likely to seriously impact the take up and use of Ubuntu. I therefore, implore the Ubuntu design authorities to seriously review the accessibility and human factors aspects of the next LTS version in relation to the above comments. I am fearful that the next Ubuntu LTS version could fall into the same inaccessibility and poor human factors trap that other (non-mentionable) commercial operating systems have done. Best Regards Len Watts Hi Len, Could you be a little more specific about how you use your computer? Are you using a screen-reading program such as Orca or are you using a mouse? The Ubuntu Accessibility team is really about making it possible for people with impairments to be able to use Ubuntu and I didn't notice any specifics in your post that made it clear to me what your access needs were beyond a traditional user. If your problem is that you're having trouble with finding the applications you want to use when using the computer in a traditional manner (mouse, keyboard, etc.), you might want to look at the information on how to use Lenses and how to customize the Launcher (I know for adding and removing, if you right click on an item while it's in the launcher you can remove or add it to the Launcher, for example). If you use Orca or have some sort of access need that means that you don't use the desktop through traditional means, please let us know how you do use it so that we can best assist you. Thank you! Penelope -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message
Hy, Jeremy, thank you the confirmation for Unity too. Rob, unfortunately su -c command suggestion doesn't help. After I change root password and run for example su -c gedit command, I get following error message the live CD: EggSMClient-WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported ** WARNING **: Could not connect to session bus ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message
DON'T use sudo with GUI programs! It can seriously screw up permissions on the user-specific files the program needs to run. Please try again using the *correct* command: gksudo -- Mackenzie Morgan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: In latest Precise live system if I run any GUI command with sudo prefix, I get can not open display error message
I tryed gksudo gedit command. Unfortunately I get following error message: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: pixmap, Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: pixmap, Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: pixmap, Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: pixmap, Cannot open display: Run 'gedit --help' to see a full list of available command line options. ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ I forgotted prewious not need using sudo command in terminal to Orca prowide a11y support the root privilege launched application, because at-spi2 already prowide a11y support with gksu or gksudo launched GUI applications. Oldest GNOME 2.x based releases Orca only prowide a11y support if the GUI application need launching root privileges if used the sudo applicationname command in GNOME Terminal. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Falling back to gnome-panel in Oneiric (again)
Hi, Piecing together what I read from a couple of emails on this subject from a while back... I tried the following commands to revert to classic gnome-panel sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:gnome-fallback The packages were installed and the dbus command seemed to work (at least, I got no errors) but no change to the launcher. Is there something else I need to do? There are multiple issues with unity-2d such as the Thunderbird message reading problem, notifications not being read by Orca and menus not always working properly which I believe can all be solved by reverting back to gnome-panel. Not to mention the fact it's just easier to find your applications with gnome-panel. Thanks. Paul -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Falling back to gnome-panel in Oneiric (again)
Hi Dave, Your instructions worked, thank you. Well when I said that falling back to gnome-panel would fix problems I meant that I would no longer experience the problems... I think the specific TB issue I'm referring to is specific to running Unity and indeed it seems to be fixed although I'll give it some time to see if it reappears. I thought the issue with Orca reading notifications would be solved by reverting to gnome-panel though and gutted that it isn't. Thanks again. Paul On 13/01/12 22:57, Dave Hunt wrote: Falling back to gnome panel will not fix the issues with unity or t-bird, just be a work-around, allowing you to avoid them. Furthermore, the issues around thunderbird not reading the correct message summary, trouble cursoring in the message body, and so on, are not specific to gnome panel. All that said, Here's how I revert to gnome panel. sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jconti/gnome3 sudo apt-get update nano /var/lib/AccountsService/users/dave I look for the line containing 'XSession=', and replace 'ubuntu-2d' with 'gnome-fallback', then reboot. The sessions, when I'm logged in as dave, are gnome panel. Your username will be something else. The jconti ppa has gnome panel applets ported to gnome 3. YMMV, Dave On 01/13/2012 05:48 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: Hi, Piecing together what I read from a couple of emails on this subject from a while back... I tried the following commands to revert to classic gnome-panel sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:gnome-fallback The packages were installed and the dbus command seemed to work (at least, I got no errors) but no change to the launcher. Is there something else I need to do? There are multiple issues with unity-2d such as the Thunderbird message reading problem, notifications not being read by Orca and menus not always working properly which I believe can all be solved by reverting back to gnome-panel. Not to mention the fact it's just easier to find your applications with gnome-panel. Thanks. Paul -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Falling back to gnome-panel in Oneiric (again)
Okay, TB message reading problem has resurfaced. If this was twitter I'd use hashtag #doublegutted Oh well, still nice to have the old menu system back. On 13/01/12 22:57, Dave Hunt wrote: Falling back to gnome panel will not fix the issues with unity or t-bird, just be a work-around, allowing you to avoid them. Furthermore, the issues around thunderbird not reading the correct message summary, trouble cursoring in the message body, and so on, are not specific to gnome panel. All that said, Here's how I revert to gnome panel. sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jconti/gnome3 sudo apt-get update nano /var/lib/AccountsService/users/dave I look for the line containing 'XSession=', and replace 'ubuntu-2d' with 'gnome-fallback', then reboot. The sessions, when I'm logged in as dave, are gnome panel. Your username will be something else. The jconti ppa has gnome panel applets ported to gnome 3. YMMV, Dave On 01/13/2012 05:48 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: Hi, Piecing together what I read from a couple of emails on this subject from a while back... I tried the following commands to revert to classic gnome-panel sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback dbus-send --type=method_call --system --reply-timeout=1000 --dest=org.freedesktop.Accounts /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1000 org.freedesktop.Accounts.User.SetXSession string:gnome-fallback The packages were installed and the dbus command seemed to work (at least, I got no errors) but no change to the launcher. Is there something else I need to do? There are multiple issues with unity-2d such as the Thunderbird message reading problem, notifications not being read by Orca and menus not always working properly which I believe can all be solved by reverting back to gnome-panel. Not to mention the fact it's just easier to find your applications with gnome-panel. Thanks. Paul -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
