Re: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

[Christopher Chaltain]

Before using orca --replace, you can also try restarting Orca with the 
key sequence alt+super+s.


On 17/03/16 10:30, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I had to do that with a mate install and it worked.  I also found once a
system is installed when orca stops talking hitting alt-f2 then typing
orca --replace  also works.  Lots better than a three-finger salute.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Glenn / Lenny wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:25:40
From: Glenn / Lenny 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

Hi All,
I have found that when Orca stops talking during an install of Linux,
I can make it work by threatening to exit with alt + F4
Then I press escape to cancel the cancellation of the install, and it
is back to talking.
I hope this helps others.
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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell 
To: Daniel Crone ,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems
through the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the
ubuntu team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit
each other.
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Re: chromium orca accessibility

[Christopher Chaltain]

It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I used option #2, installing from 
the Google PPA, on the following web page 
http://ubuntuportal.com/2014/04/how-to-install-google-chrome-web-browser-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr.html


I used the Chrome web store to instal ChromeVox and the default female 
TTS from Google. I needed sighted assistance to do this originally.


On 17/03/16 09:55, Jude DaShiell wrote:

How did you get those installed?  google keeps redirecting me to chromium.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:52:35
From: Christopher Chaltain 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: chromium orca accessibility

I don't see the original message, but if the question has to do with
Chromium then I'll just add that I use Chrome and ChromeVox on my
Vinux 5 system almost daily.

On 16/03/16 19:41, Jude DaShiell wrote:

So far as I can tell, that's not ready for prime time.  I'm using unity
and vinux flavor of ubuntu for now.  One firefox extension that would
probably be useful for orca users is pentadactyl since that is supposed
to make firefox easier for keyboard users to use  I didn't find that
using aptitude or apt-cache search so figure I'll probably have to get
it directly from mozilla's archives.  Before I do attempt to install
pentadactyl, has anyone on this list already had experience with the
extension or add-on they'd be willing to share?



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Re: chromium orca accessibility

[B. Henry]

Last I heard, chromium was not working with the google TTSs at all. 
As chrome isworking with speech-dispatcher again maybe chromium is working with 
sd again also. 
It did not work as well as chrome back when it could be used with chromevox and 
speech-dispatcher, but was usable for me. Others found it much buggier. 
Chrome isstill a better choice as far as I know. 
You canjust download and install and repos will be enabled as well.
Then make an extensions directory in /opt/google/chrome/ and copy a file I'll 
attach there.
then start chrome with the --enable-speech-dispatcher option, and a while later 
hopefully chromevox will install and you will get speech. 
I think chromevox actually installs with voices now, but as I've had my 
configuration synced for years now I do not know exactly what new installers 
get.
Try starting chrome normally with out the option and see if you get the female 
voice. Those voice files are probably large, so the download might take a 
while on slower connections, so be pasient and or ask some one to take a look 
and see if things appear to be installing.
Once you do have chrome talking log in and make sure your configuration is 
going to sync/think extension syncing is default, but I'm not sure.
Then all you will need is someone to tell you where the username and pw fields 
are if you install chrome on another box.


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  Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:20:32AM -0500

> It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I used option #2, installing
> from the Google PPA, on the following web page 
> http://ubuntuportal.com/2014/04/how-to-install-google-chrome-web-browser-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr.html
> 
> I used the Chrome web store to instal ChromeVox and the default
> female TTS from Google. I needed sighted assistance to do this
> originally.
> 
> On 17/03/16 09:55, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >How did you get those installed?  google keeps redirecting me to chromium.
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> >
> >>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:52:35
> >>From: Christopher Chaltain 
> >>To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>Subject: Re: chromium orca accessibility
> >>
> >>I don't see the original message, but if the question has to do with
> >>Chromium then I'll just add that I use Chrome and ChromeVox on my
> >>Vinux 5 system almost daily.
> >>
> >>On 16/03/16 19:41, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >>>So far as I can tell, that's not ready for prime time.  I'm using unity
> >>>and vinux flavor of ubuntu for now.  One firefox extension that would
> >>>probably be useful for orca users is pentadactyl since that is supposed
> >>>to make firefox easier for keyboard users to use  I didn't find that
> >>>using aptitude or apt-cache search so figure I'll probably have to get
> >>>it directly from mozilla's archives.  Before I do attempt to install
> >>>pentadactyl, has anyone on this list already had experience with the
> >>>extension or add-on they'd be willing to share?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

Gnome being lighter is a good thing to know, I did another install and 
cleared the disk before that and I can bring mate up this time but it 
wasn't worth bringing up after all.  I get notified wifi networks are 
available but can't get anywhere close enough to select one for use.  The 
nearest I got was windows network.  When I got some wifi network 
connection up with unity I selected a hidden wifi network and configured 
it.  No such option available in mate so far as I can tell.  This time 
when I did the install I had my wifi adapter disconnected and for that 
reason didn't install any updates either.  Once the installation gets 
going, so far as I can tell the screen saver comes on and shuts it down 
unless I hit the tab key regularly throughout the install process.  With 
unity, I remember configuring a vpn was offered and I hit uparrow and when 
I did that got asked for the name of my network and its password and type 
of network security.  Once I filled all of that information in, I got 
myself connected.




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It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and 
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned, 
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.

 




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  Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 09:48:04AM -0500

> If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can
> just go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate,
> Unity and Gnome.
> 
> Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.
> 
> Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with
> ChromeVox all of the time.
> 
> I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.
> 
> On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
> >unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
> >credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
> >of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
> >to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
> >will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
> >want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
> >The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
> >from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
> >orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
> >available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
> >should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
> >easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
> >little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
> >indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
> >the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
> >Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
> >More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
> >system.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:
> >
> >>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> >>From: Daniel Crone 
> >>To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>Subject: introduction
> >>
> >>Hello one and all.
> >>My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
> >>the years.
> >>I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> >>I am very new to linux.
> >>Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
> >>blind user, new to linux.
> >>I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
> >>and the installer never finished.
> >>But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> >>From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> >>I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> >>So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
> >>team.
> >>I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
> >>other.
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> >>Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
> >
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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

What I downloaded now that it's installed doesn't offer a mate or gnome 
choice for session types but then again I didn't hit f4 on the login 
screen yet either and use of f4 may help.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:48:04
From: Christopher Chaltain 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can just go 
into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate, Unity and Gnome.


Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.

Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with ChromeVox all of 
the time.


I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.

On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
other.
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Re: ubuntu mate, which version

[Jude DaShiell]

The lts version isn't available on that website, only 15.10 could be 
another website is used for lts.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Alex ARNAUD wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:14:28
From: Alex ARNAUD 
To: Daniel Crone ,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: ubuntu mate, which version

On 03/17/2016 02:48 PM, Daniel Crone wrote:

 From Where may one get ubuntu mate?
You can download it from the Ubuntu Mate download page 
.

How can one know whether to use the 32 bit, or the 64 bit version?
You need to know the model of your processor then your can get the 
information from maybe the Intel, AMD or Wikipedia page. If you try a 64 bits 
installer on the 32 bits machine the installer wouldn't be able to start so 
can also determine that your hardware is 32 bits.


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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

On the old tower, for talkingarchlinux I had to download another package 
so talkingarchlinux would use both cores when needed.  It would be 
helpful if these graphical systems would take advantage of dual cores 
and quad cores when available.  I installed gnome and think the most the 
old tower will handle will be mate in future.  Hitting alt-f1 brings up 
an empty window or what sounds like an empty window on gnome.


However, I did get wifi up and working on gnome that's similar to unity 
at least where I find the hidden wifi network button.  Even with the 
empty window hitting first letters of  options opened those options up 
and got me to computer hardware and network then I tabbed to vpn and hit 
cancel button and tabbed past use as hot spot and found use hideen wifi 
network button and went in there and answered questions and hit connect 
and I was good to go.


On Fri, 18 Mar 2016, kendell clark wrote:


Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:33:10
From: kendell clark 
To: B. Henry , ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

hi
One thing I've noticed about mate, and probably other desktops as well,
is that they seem to have some kind of algorithm for measuring how much
ram a system has and adjusting how they use ram accordingly. On my
system, which has 8 gb of it, mate isn't all that resource efficient in
the ram department, usually idling at around 700 to 800 mb used.
However, on my mac and on mellisa's toshiba, mate idles at around 350 mb
used, and there's zero difference in performance. Gnome and unity
probably do the same thing, but they also use more effects so can be a
little heavier on the system. The biggest problem with unity and gnome
is, my opinion only, cpu usage. They use up a lot of the cpu cycles if
you have a slow one, and that can make the thing feel sluggish or
unresponsive. It's why I switched from gnome to mate on my mac, gnome
did not like my mac much.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


B. Henry wrote:

It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned,
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.














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Re: introduction

[Jude DaShiell]

Thanks, I'll try that.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Kyle wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:50:58
From: Kyle 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction

The main problem with Thunderbird is that it seems to freeze when your 
~/.thunderbird directory gets too large. The best way to resolve this issue 
is to uncheck "store messages on this computer" from your account settings 
for each account. Hope this helps.


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ubuntu mate, which version

[Daniel Crone]

>From Where may one get ubuntu mate?
How can one know whether to use the 32 bit, or the 64 bit version?
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Subject lines was: just a suggestion

[B. Henry]

Yes, and I generally do this when I change the topic, but occasionaly do 
forget. 
I also often change the subject line even when I did not change the subject 
myself, and even bring this up frequently enough that I sometimes worry that 
folks will get tired of me trying to correct bad posting practices. 
Please join me in this crusade so that there is more than one of us to 
hate...lol
In the same vane many people start a conversation with a subject that gives 
little or no idea as to what is being discussed or what question is asked. 
I do delete email that does not interest me when I know I am unlikely to be 
able to contribute any thing useful to the conversation, and often delete 
imprecisely subjected messages. 
More often I do answer a person once or twice and give them a reminder about 
making good subject lines, and sometimes I just answer, but I certainly 
think spending a few seconds coming up with an explanatory subject for an email 
is the least one can do if they are asking for help.

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  Daniel Crone wrote:
Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 04:39:43AM -0500

> Hello everyone.
> I know I am new here, but I wish to offer a suggestion.
> I wrote an introduction, and people replied.  Thanks.
> Then some wrote about other matters, but the subject stayed the same.
> Since some might like to search messages by thread on the website, would it 
> not be more logical to give a message its own subject, if it differs from 
> what came before?
> I would like to know what you think.
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Installing Linux, was Re: introduction

[Glenn / Lenny]

Hi All,
I have found that when Orca stops talking during an install of Linux, I can 
make it work by threatening to exit with alt + F4
Then I press escape to cancel the cancellation of the install, and it is back 
to talking.
I hope this helps others.
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jude DaShiell 
To: Daniel Crone ,
ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: introduction
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and 
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail 
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside 
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have 
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome 
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you 
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal. 
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well 
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for 
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is 
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which 
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is 
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have 
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio 
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from 
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of 
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this 
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:

> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> From: Daniel Crone 
> To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: introduction
> 
> Hello one and all.
> My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
> years.
> I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> I am very new to linux.
> Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
> new to linux.
> I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
> installer never finished.
> But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
> I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.
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Re: ubuntu 12, temporary solution

[B. Henry]

What system do you want to back up, i.e. what OS, distro if Linux, a system 
that is currently installed, or the ubuntu-mate you say you are going to 
install?
Have you installed a lot of extra software beyond what came on the installer 
image you used?
Is all the extra software you installed in repos, or did you build anything 
from source or install .deb packages you downloaded?
The short answer if you are talking Linux and did not make a seperate /home 
directory is to copy your whole /home directory, e.g.  something like 
/home/dan, somewhere. 
I've done this with anormal cp command, or from a file manager, but better 
would be to use rsync. 
Unless you have done some editing of files in /etc/ most of your settings are 
in that home directory.

You can then just reinstall the programs you added, and voila.
Answer the questions above and we can give more specifics.
Also, are you talking about reinstalling the system to the same computer where 
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> I dug out an ubuntu 12 stick, and installed it to my hard drive.
> I know it is old, but I will use it to burn a ubuntu mate disk.
> But in the mean time, is there a way to back up my whole system, so that if I 
> like, I could install it, without having to reconfigure everything?
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just a suggestion

[Daniel Crone]

Hello everyone.
I know I am new here, but I wish to offer a suggestion.
I wrote an introduction, and people replied.  Thanks.
Then some wrote about other matters, but the subject stayed the same.
Since some might like to search messages by thread on the website, would it not 
be more logical to give a message its own subject, if it differs from what came 
before?
I would like to know what you think.
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Re: introduction

[B. Henry]

It is something specific to your system if mate term is faster. It's as close 
to the same thing as is possible, was actually the exact same size, and 
had 0 differences one time when I dcompared.
Thunderbird  works perfectly with unity. It sounds like something is messed up, 
corrupted or badly configured if you are having the problems mentiioned, 
Jude.
Gnome is notably lighter than unity when it comes to RAM usage.

 




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  Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 09:48:04AM -0500

> If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can
> just go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate,
> Unity and Gnome.
> 
> Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.
> 
> Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with
> ChromeVox all of the time.
> 
> I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.
> 
> On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
> >unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
> >credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
> >of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
> >to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
> >will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
> >want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
> >The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
> >from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
> >orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
> >available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
> >should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
> >easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
> >little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
> >indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
> >the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
> >Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
> >More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
> >system.
> >
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:
> >
> >>Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
> >>From: Daniel Crone 
> >>To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
> >>Subject: introduction
> >>
> >>Hello one and all.
> >>My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
> >>the years.
> >>I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> >>I am very new to linux.
> >>Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
> >>blind user, new to linux.
> >>I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
> >>and the installer never finished.
> >>But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
> >>From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> >>I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> >>So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
> >>team.
> >>I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
> >>other.
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> >
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Re: chromium orca accessibility

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't see the original message, but if the question has to do with 
Chromium then I'll just add that I use Chrome and ChromeVox on my Vinux 
5 system almost daily.


On 16/03/16 19:41, Jude DaShiell wrote:

So far as I can tell, that's not ready for prime time.  I'm using unity
and vinux flavor of ubuntu for now.  One firefox extension that would
probably be useful for orca users is pentadactyl since that is supposed
to make firefox easier for keyboard users to use  I didn't find that
using aptitude or apt-cache search so figure I'll probably have to get
it directly from mozilla's archives.  Before I do attempt to install
pentadactyl, has anyone on this list already had experience with the
extension or add-on they'd be willing to share?



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Re: chromium orca accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

How did you get those installed?  google keeps redirecting me to 
chromium.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Christopher Chaltain wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:52:35
From: Christopher Chaltain 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: chromium orca accessibility

I don't see the original message, but if the question has to do with Chromium 
then I'll just add that I use Chrome and ChromeVox on my Vinux 5 system 
almost daily.


On 16/03/16 19:41, Jude DaShiell wrote:

So far as I can tell, that's not ready for prime time.  I'm using unity
and vinux flavor of ubuntu for now.  One firefox extension that would
probably be useful for orca users is pentadactyl since that is supposed
to make firefox easier for keyboard users to use  I didn't find that
using aptitude or apt-cache search so figure I'll probably have to get
it directly from mozilla's archives.  Before I do attempt to install
pentadactyl, has anyone on this list already had experience with the
extension or add-on they'd be willing to share?



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Re: introduction

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you're running Vinux 5, you don't need to install Gnome. You can just 
go into options on the log on screen and choose between Mate, Unity and 
Gnome.


Also, if you're running Unity, you shouldn't have any trouble running Gnome.

Chromium may not work well with Orca, but I use Chrome with ChromeVox 
all of the time.


I run Thunderbird with Gnome, and I don't have these issues.

On 17/03/16 09:18, Jude DaShiell wrote:

I have vinux5 installed which runs unity and found out thunderbird and
unity don't like each other very much.  I was able to enter my gmail
credentials and get to the inbox using I think it was shift-f10 inside
of thunderbird but haven't got email down for reading yet.  I may have
to install gnome but with only a gig of ram on my athelon X86_64 gnome
will probably crash the computer.  Inside mate to get to a terminal you
want to run mate-terminal since that runs faster than gnome-terminal.
The mate-terminal also works under unity.  Firefox works pretty well
from my limited use of it so far.  The chromium app isn't accessible for
orca at all and isn't worth messing with for now at least.  Emacs is
available and probably very accessible as a work environment which
should help cover any of libreoffice's shortcomings.  Thunderbird is
easily crashed over here, but then again I'm a touch typist and have
little tollerance for keyboard latency unless I get some kind of audio
indication that something I've done is being worked.  Some clicks from
the speaker would help in this respect but I don't know that any form of
Linux offers this feature that can be enabled yet.
More than that I don't yet know but will find out as I hack through this
system.


On Thu, 17 Mar 2016, Daniel Crone wrote:


Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:44:28
From: Daniel Crone 
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: introduction

Hello one and all.
My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through
the years.
I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
I am very new to linux.
Before starting, I welcome anyone?s words of wisdom for a totally
blind user, new to linux.
I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times,
and the installer never finished.
But that could be due to my machine?s being so old and slow.
From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu
team.
I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each
other.
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Subjects and threads [was "Re: just a suggestion"]

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes, and going further, you should use a new message to start a new 
discussion. Replying to a message to start a new discussion, even if you 
change the subject line, is called hijacking a thread, and it'll 
potentially mean people won't see that message if they use a threaded 
email client, such as Thunderbird.


On 18/03/16 04:39, Daniel Crone wrote:

Hello everyone.
I know I am new here, but I wish to offer a suggestion.
I wrote an introduction, and people replied.  Thanks.
Then some wrote about other matters, but the subject stayed the same.
Since some might like to search messages by thread on the website, would it not 
be more logical to give a message its own subject, if it differs from what came 
before?
I would like to know what you think.



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chromium orca accessibility

[Jude DaShiell]

So far as I can tell, that's not ready for prime time.  I'm using unity 
and vinux flavor of ubuntu for now.  One firefox extension that would 
probably be useful for orca users is pentadactyl since that is supposed to 
make firefox easier for keyboard users to use  I didn't find that using 
aptitude or apt-cache search so figure I'll probably have to get it 
directly from mozilla's archives.  Before I do attempt to install 
pentadactyl, has anyone on this list already had experience with the 
extension or add-on they'd be willing to share?




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Re: ubuntu mate, which version

[Alex ARNAUD]

On 03/17/2016 02:48 PM, Daniel Crone wrote:

 From Where may one get ubuntu mate?
You can download it from the Ubuntu Mate download page 
.

How can one know whether to use the 32 bit, or the 64 bit version?
You need to know the model of your processor then your can get the 
information from maybe the Intel, AMD or Wikipedia page. If you try a 64 
bits installer on the 32 bits machine the installer wouldn't be able to 
start so can also determine that your hardware is 32 bits.


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Re: introduction

[kendell clark]

hi
Once you've downloaded ubuntu mate, all that's needed to get
accessibility going is to press alt+win+s. I *think* once this is done
the login screen talks automatically, but in case it doesn't, press f4
at the login screen once the install is finished. I'd recommend the lts
instead of 15.10, mainly because it's supported for much longer, and has
the accessibility ppa preconfigured, which means as soon as a new orca
and accessibility stack is released, you'll shortly get updates for them.
Completely agree about linux accessibility people benefitting each
other, I'm a sonar developer, but I'm also a linux user who depends on
accessibility,and I recommend other distros, such as vinux, ubuntu,
fedora and others, not just my own.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Daniel Crone wrote:
> Hello one and all.
> My name is Daniel, and I have used different operating systems through the 
> years.
> I have decided to give ubuntu mate a try.
> I am very new to linux.
> Before starting, I welcome anyone’s words of wisdom for a totally blind user, 
> new to linux.
> I liked the idea of sonar, but I have tried to install several times, and the 
> installer never finished.
> But that could be due to my machine’s being so old and slow.
> From the dvd, sonar worked very well.
> I hope ubuntu will be equally good.
> So, hats off to all, those on the sonar team, and to all on the ubuntu team.
> I would really like for all linux accessibility people to benefit each other.


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