RE: Ringtail accessibility

2012-12-21 Thread Andy B.


-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Nolan
Darilek
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:47 PM
To: Ubuntu-accessibility
Subject: Re: Ringtail accessibility

On 12/21/2012 02:38 PM, Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> What is happening is that accessibility will be broken in releases 
> until 14.04. I thought that was an answer to whether or not it is 
> expected to work in any release until then.


Fair enough, but it works more or less fine in 12.10 contrary to official
expectations, so I thought the same might be true of 13.04. 
Sorry if my response was a bit heavy-handed, but the "as has been stated
many times" felt a bit harsh. I know what the official line is, having been
a participant in those discussions, but not all of us are official Canonical
people, and some of us actually want to run the bleeding edge because we
ourselves help to create it. Also, not everyone wants to use the same
distribution for two years in a world where things move quickly, and some of
us are willing to tolerate a bit of breakage in exchange for that.

> Please do not email me separately, I am on the mailing list, which is 
> how I saw your email in the first place.


My intent was not to email you separately, this list's default reply-to 
functionality just happens to work differently than 99% of the mailing 
lists to which I am currently subscribed. As such, I often reply rather 
than reply-to-list, which I think is the common expectation for someone 
conducting a list discussion and wanting to continue it on same.
Even more problematic for Outlook users since there is no such thing as a
reply to list feature, and reply to all just adds everyone's email address
in the thread to the to field.



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RE: Ringtail accessibility

2012-12-21 Thread Andy B.
-Original Message-
From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com
[mailto:ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Charlie
Kravetz
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 12:33 PM
To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Ringtail accessibility

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:24:27 -0600
Nolan Darilek  wrote:

> Normally I'd stay away from development releases, but apparently the 
> newest Orca requires Python 3.3, and I'm experiencing some issues in 
> the Orca shipped with 12.10 that make it difficult to use (it doesn't 
> seem to respond to the command line option that's supposed to kill it, 
> hangs fairly regularly, and I occasionally get stuck in states where I 
> can't navigate websites with arrows nor do keystrokes interrupt 
> speech.) I know that at least the kill thing is probably resolved in 
> Git master, but I'm wondering about the others.
> 
> So I'm wondering about 13.04. Since many features aren't being 
> publicized, are the 13.04 builds more accessibly stable than they'd be 
> were Unity and other components undergoing massive churn? Has anyone 
> experimented with this?
> 
> What is the most accessible way to boot a virtualized desktop? Vbox is 
> QT, and while I know there is a command line interface, I'd really 
> like an easier and more accessible option for booting a Ubuntu desktop 
> that doesn't involve configuring a VM from scratch via the command line.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

As stated many times now by the developer that maintains accessibility for
Ubuntu:

"It is recommended that you use 12.04 LTS instead. The accessibility team
does not have enough resources to make sure every release of Ubuntu is as
accessible as it can be, so the team only focuses on the LTS releases.

Luke"

That means the next version that we know will have orca and accessibility
working is 14.04. In between, things may or may not work, and should be
expected to give problems.

--
Charlie Kravetz 
Linux Registered User Number 425914  [http://counter.li.org/]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.   [http://keepingdreams.com] I
thought 13.04 was a LTS release, but either way, when I tried to install
13.04 a few hours ago, the installer was completely inaccessible. In fact,
it's so bad, that the try/install window is 100% inaccessible. Pressing
ctrl+s does start orca, but alt+tab fails to work in all cases.

As far as the virtual machine problem, an accessible virtualization package
is VMWare Player found at www.vmware.com/player. It is free for personal
use. Another option costs around $300USD, but it is VMWare Workstation found
at www.vmware.com/workstation. I like workstation better than player
especially when it is ran under linux, but player works when you are hard up
for money.



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