RE: [Support] Ubuntu-Mate Accessibility Review (1st draft)

2015-04-08 Thread benjamin moser
Hi

Moving to the top panel requires pressing Control-Alt-Shift-Tab. First, press 
Control -Alt-Tab to get to the bottom panel though.
I think you maybe can press Alt-F1, Escape, and then Control -Alt-Shift-Tab. 
I've been away from it for a few weeks so please forgive me if this last thing 
doesn't work.

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Subject: Re: [Support] Ubuntu-Mate Accessibility Review (1st draft)

I think I will stay away from mate
sounds like it needs some serious work


On 4/8/2015 3:20 PM, Dave Hunt wrote:
> This is a brief account of my experience with Ubuntu-Mate 15.04 Beta
> 2. If I were unfamiliar with Mate, and its accessibility quirks, I'd
> have had a lot of trouble; things are not really intuitive. Review
> below...
>
>
> HTH,
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> When the live system booted, I got the sound of bongos. At this point,
> I used 'ctrl+s' to toggle speech on.  The introductory dialogue, with
> "install Ubuntu" and "Try Ubuntu" options is fully accessible; I
> tabbed to "try", and hit the space key.  My system went into a
> desktop; I only knew it was ready by the long absence of drive
> activity; an introductory sound would be helpful, here. When I figured
> that enough time had passed, I used 'alt+super+s' keys to toggle the
> speech on; this is a nice feature, and familiar to those using GNOME
> 3.  Orca came on, as expected, but nothing was focused.  I just
> happened to try 'ctrl+alt+d' and found that the desktop gets focus.
> From here, I could set my screen reader preferences in the expected
> way.  Once I had Orca set up, I started exploring the menu system, by
> entering with 'alt+f1' keys.  I found the expected three-column menu
> set on the top panel.  I exited the menus and tried getting to the top
> panel, with 'alt+ctrl+tab' and 'alt+ctrl+esc' keys, but could only get
> to the bottom panel.  Even with focus on the bottom, I found no way to
> reach the top, where my wifi options are likely shown.  I went back
> into the menus, and found Preferences. In the 'look and feel' section,
> I found a new item called Mate Tweak, which I started, with hopes of
> messing with the interface. I found panels options, including Ubuntu
> Mate, Ubuntu Mate with Mate Menu, and an interesting one--  Redmond.
> Once I chose this option and left the tweak tool, I found I had a
> single-panel layout, with a single column of menus, similar to the
> layout you'd find on Trisquel 7. I had to use 'ctrl+alt+escape' to get
> to the panels, though, even after binding 'ctrl+alt+tab' for switching
> between desktop and panels. Anyway, once I got to the new bottom
> panel, I could connect to my wifi as expected.   Having unlocked this
> monumental achievement, I launched a web browser, just to check
> connectivity. Since all seemed well, I closed the browser, and hit the
> 'install' button on the desktop.
>
> The installer is a typical session of Ubiquity, about which many of us
> have written before; it hasn't changed much, in terms of
> accessibility, since 14.04; I will mention, however, I had to toggle
> Orca a few times, when switching from one page to the next.
>
> When I started my new system, I found that the login greeter did not
> come up talking, as it would in Trisquel. The 'f4' keystroke got Orca
> talking on the dialogue, but attempts to explore it caused the greeter
> to crash, thereby preventing logins.  I gave the 'reboot' command from
> another console, and waited. This time, the greeter came up talking,
> and I just entered my password.  A talking Mate session, set up almost
> according to a previously-made configuration, came up.  In the new
> session, "alt+ctrl+tab' does not work as it should, though it is shown
> as bound in the Keyboard Shortcuts dialogue.  I set the Redmond panel
> layout, as mentioned above, and did a few post-install things. The
> system is now running.
>
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Re: [Support] Ubuntu-Mate Accessibility Review (1st draft)

2015-04-08 Thread Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona

I think I will stay away from mate
sounds like it needs some serious work


On 4/8/2015 3:20 PM, Dave Hunt wrote:
This is a brief account of my experience with Ubuntu-Mate 15.04 Beta 
2. If I were unfamiliar with Mate, and its accessibility quirks, I'd 
have had a lot of trouble; things are not really intuitive. Review 
below...



HTH,


Dave



When the live system booted, I got the sound of bongos. At this point, 
I used 'ctrl+s' to toggle speech on.  The introductory dialogue, with 
"install Ubuntu" and "Try Ubuntu" options is fully accessible; I 
tabbed to "try", and hit the space key.  My system went into a 
desktop; I only knew it was ready by the long absence of drive 
activity; an introductory sound would be helpful, here. When I figured 
that enough time had passed, I used 'alt+super+s' keys to toggle the 
speech on; this is a nice feature, and familiar to those using GNOME 
3.  Orca came on, as expected, but nothing was focused.  I just 
happened to try 'ctrl+alt+d' and found that the desktop gets focus.  
From here, I could set my screen reader preferences in the expected 
way.  Once I had Orca set up, I started exploring the menu system, by 
entering with 'alt+f1' keys.  I found the expected three-column menu 
set on the top panel.  I exited the menus and tried getting to the top 
panel, with 'alt+ctrl+tab' and 'alt+ctrl+esc' keys, but could only get 
to the bottom panel.  Even with focus on the bottom, I found no way to 
reach the top, where my wifi options are likely shown.  I went back 
into the menus, and found Preferences. In the 'look and feel' section, 
I found a new item called Mate Tweak, which I started, with hopes of 
messing with the interface. I found panels options, including Ubuntu 
Mate, Ubuntu Mate with Mate Menu, and an interesting one--  Redmond.  
Once I chose this option and left the tweak tool, I found I had a 
single-panel layout, with a single column of menus, similar to the 
layout you'd find on Trisquel 7. I had to use 'ctrl+alt+escape' to get 
to the panels, though, even after binding 'ctrl+alt+tab' for switching 
between desktop and panels. Anyway, once I got to the new bottom 
panel, I could connect to my wifi as expected.   Having unlocked this 
monumental achievement, I launched a web browser, just to check 
connectivity. Since all seemed well, I closed the browser, and hit the 
'install' button on the desktop.


The installer is a typical session of Ubiquity, about which many of us 
have written before; it hasn't changed much, in terms of 
accessibility, since 14.04; I will mention, however, I had to toggle 
Orca a few times, when switching from one page to the next.


When I started my new system, I found that the login greeter did not 
come up talking, as it would in Trisquel. The 'f4' keystroke got Orca 
talking on the dialogue, but attempts to explore it caused the greeter 
to crash, thereby preventing logins.  I gave the 'reboot' command from 
another console, and waited. This time, the greeter came up talking, 
and I just entered my password.  A talking Mate session, set up almost 
according to a previously-made configuration, came up.  In the new 
session, "alt+ctrl+tab' does not work as it should, though it is shown 
as bound in the Keyboard Shortcuts dialogue.  I set the Redmond panel 
layout, as mentioned above, and did a few post-install things. The 
system is now running.


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